Talk:Jul Maroh

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Pronoun used[edit]

Hi guys, I stumbled onto this page by mistake instead of the French version and am a bit surprised by the pronoun "They" used all over. I thought it was a collective to be honest. On the french version, they don't hesitate to say She, and I think she was born and identify as a woman, why deprive her from that attribute and create a vagueness, if she doesn't explicitely demand it ? Should we fix the French version, if instead she did demand to be identified neutrally ? (at first sight, on her website, she does seem to accept feminisation of adjectives related to herself when she writes - she even seems to use the masculine general for author, that the french wikipedia scrapped for the new feminine version, so she may be more traditional than this page made me think)— Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.15.246.128 (talk) 02:04, 2 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Maroh has identified as trans and nonbinary.[1] Their instagram has (they/them) for their pronouns. See MOS:GENDERID for the guideline. I'm seeing cases where they are using the name Jul' Maroh, but haven't yet seen anything indicating that we should only be using that name. gobonobo ⁺ ^c 08:45, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The vast majority of sources from 2020 use Jul Maroh. This is also what they use on their social media and was on a piece of official correspondence as seen on their Instagram. I've moved the page to Jul Maroh. They also spell their name Jul'. gobonobo ⁺ ^c 11:34, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, please accept my apologies because English is not my natural language. On fr-wp, we recently renamed the page according to the artist's instagram and personal website, that is : Jul' Maroh. Other news items write it differently: Jul'Maroh (no space) and Jul Maroh. Just FYI. Best regards, - - Bédévore ^{[knock knock]} 22:38, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Bédévore: @Gobonobo: Also as per Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Biography#DEADNAME (example: Elliot Page and Juno (film)), since Maroh was notable under their deadname, shouldn't the article and Blue is the Warmest Color (comics) refer to it? (See the examples in the MOS) WhisperToMe (talk) 02:09, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @WhisperToMe: the policy on fr-wp is slightly different (our language is gender-based). Since Jul'Maroh became famous under the name "Julie Maroh", the former name is mentioned in the introduction but the whole content refers to them as "Jul' Maroh". The Bibliothèque nationale de France also does it : https://www.bnf.fr/fr/jul-maroh-bibliographie Julie Maroh was born in Lens then they defined themselves as non-binary and changed their name to "Jul' Maroh". Best, - Bédévore ^{[knock knock]} 10:43, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah it's different in ENwiki as while the whole article should call them "Jul Maroh", the lead in Elliot Page has the deadname while for the film the deadname is in a footnote WhisperToMe (talk) 15:38, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Official website removed[edit]

I've just made this change to remove the "Official website" link from the External Links section. The site is down, replaced by an ISP link-advertising page. The old content is, of course, archived by the Wayback Machine. I've identified the last archived copy with the old content. For current links, Maroh's instagram (https://www.instagram.com/julmaroh/) links to their linktree (julmaroh). Their linktree does list a Website, but as of today its only content is a "Coming soon" banner. Unfortunately I'm not up on current editorial policy, so I thought it best to remove the dead link and leave notes here for someone more familiar with policy to follow up. --Hope 14:41, 28 April 2023 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.105.91.12 (talk)