Talk:Jura, Scotland

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Infobox[edit]

What is the "Island Group" referred to in the infobox? Thunderwing 09:17, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Haswell-Smith divides the islands up into various sub-sections which can be useful, especially as there are so many similar sounding names. They are listed at Template talk:Infobox Scottish island. Ben MacDui (Talk) 18:31, 5 April 2007 (UTC) PS Thanks for fixing the 'Argyll & Bute' glitch btw - and if you would like to extend the use of the template and/or need some assistance in doing so I'd be very happy to help.[reply]

Paps of Jura[edit]

What, no explanation of where the name "Paps" comes from? It's not going to be obvious to everyone! 86.136.251.18 20:50, 25 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Feel free to enlighten us. Ben MacDui (Talk) 07:53, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, do keep us abreast of this issue Dhmellor 10:05, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Doirad Eilinn = Jura, or not?[edit]

I hope these links work. This is a transcription of A Dictionary of British Place-Names, so it should be a pretty good source (the book is also previewable on GoogleBooks): [1] It states that the first record of Jura occurs in 678 as Doirad Eilinn. Since the article made no mention of this name, and gives the etymology which must have been coined long after the 7th century, I Googled the Gaelic name for more info, but other than the book above I can't find anything written in the last century.

Here's a website that mentions this Gaelic name: [2]. It cites Watson, who should also be a good source for place names. Here's an old paper written by Watson which mentions the Gaelic name: p.382 (Watson says "... the reference to Jura is a mistranslation of Skene's"). Here's Skene's statement which Watson was referring to: [3] (Skene says "The first encounter with the Britons was in 678, when the Dalraids were defeated. At the same time the battles of Dunlocho, Liaccmaelain and Doirad Eilinn were fought, the latter of which can alone be place with any certainty, Doirad Eilinn being obviously the island of Jura"). Here's the Annals of Ulster entry for the record of 678: [4] ("The battle of Dún Locha and the battle of Lia Maeláin, and the oppression of Elend").

I wonder if the Dictionary of British Place-Names is wrong in equating Doirad Eilinn to Jura. Watson sure seems to have thought so. I can't find anything more about it though. I've Googled the terms "Dún Locha", "Lia Maeláin", and "Elend" with "678", and haven't come up with anything. Does anyone know anything more this Gaelic name or the 678 entry? Perhaps the entry has nothing to do with Scotland or an island at all?--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 10:01, 24 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Leaving aside Skene and the place-names dictionary, which may have been following his lead, no one seems to agree that Doirad Eilinn is a reference to Jura. Doirad apparently corresponds to modern Irish daoradh, meaning "oppression" or "enslavement"; who or what Eilinn is is a mystery. I've removed it from the article along with the purported translation "udder island" ("deer island" is the only translation given in most sources). Zacwill (talk) 19:21, 13 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Layout[edit]

I'm currently having a go at extending and (I hope) improving this article. But I seem to have left it with a lot of white space at the moment - if anyone with more wiki-skills than me would care to tidy it up, I'd be grateful. Cheers Dhmellor (talk) 08:49, 10 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The only significant white space is next to the contents list. The length is determined by the number of headings and is usual for longer articles. Many articles have a longer lead, so the space is not on the opening screen. The lead should summarise the article, perhaps with a sentence about each section (see WP:LEAD). It should not introduce new material. Keep up the good work. Finavon (talk) 09:17, 10 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The three sub-headings under Culture are perhaps excessive; the text could stand as a paragraph for each. Finavon (talk) 09:20, 10 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Finavon. I'll keep chipping away at it, as time permits. Dhmellor (talk) 19:22, 10 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Good progress indeed. If you don't like the white space by the contents just click the 'hide' tag. You might find WP:GOODISLE helpful and perhaps Wikipedia:WikiProject Scottish Islands/Monro's Hebrides#Craignish, Taynish and Jura. Ben MacDui 08:12, 11 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Useful links, MacDui - thanks. Wikipedia:WikiProject Scottish Islands/Monro's Hebrides is a fascinating project, to which you and Akerbeltz have evidently given a lot of effort. I'll have a closer look when I can. Meanwhile, I'll keep going with the Jura article, and needless to say, would welcome contributions from others. Cheers. Dhmellor (talk) 11:04, 11 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Diurach[edit]

I just learnt from "Only connect" that "Diurach" is a "Resident of a British isle": it redirects here, but does not occur on the page. Please someone who knows about this add a sentence! Imaginatorium (talk) 06:34, 3 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Old Norse vs. Norwegian[edit]

Surely the Old Norse form of Jura should be reconstructed as Djórey, not Dyrøy which is modern Norwegian. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thathánka Íyotake (talk • contribs) 21:50, 31 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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