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Article name[edit]

I have moved this article back to KIKU from KIKU-TV. Consensus on both WP:NC#Broadcasting and Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Television_Stations#Article_names is that the article name should reflect the actual call letters of the TV station. As can be seen here: [1] the call letters for this station are in fact KIKU. Any concerns regarding this topic would be best addressed here: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Television_Stations. —A 04:58, 19 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Move from KHAI to KIKU?[edit]

Would someone please write a paragraph explaining how KHAI 20 became KIKU 20? KHAI carried Japanese subtitled TV shows. I have several old video tapes of KHAI recordings, and by the content of them I suspect they were recorded in the late 1980's. There is a huge gap in the origin section on what happened to KIKU between the late 1980s and early 1990s, and the KHAI/KIKU information may be in the middle of it. Groink 23:22, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

CW network[edit]

I once again removed mention of the CW network concerning KIKU's competitors. In previous edits, there seems to be several editors who are really upset over KIKU dropping CW. For any announcements concerning CW, it should be made at its Wiki article and not KIKU. Groink 01:08, 25 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Infomercials[edit]

Why is informercials such a bad thing, as one editor just recently indicated. Many TV stations practice this. FYI, it is requirement by the FCC for all TV stations to set a majority of their programming airtime for "original" programming. Informercials is considered original programming by the FCC, AND is also bring in a lot of revenue to the TV station. So I would not consider this valid criticism, but rather it is a trend that we all must get used to. Groink 08:50, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Good point. By saying they lack "real" programming I just meant that entertainment fare (dramas, game shows) and news tends to make up a very limited portion of their schedule. I'll delete that comment. Dayspassions91 (talk) 10:22, 6 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Digital Transition[edit]

KIKU turned off its analog signal on January 15, 2009 and is digital-only. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.21.106.150 (talk) 19:52, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This isn't special to KIKU. All TV stations in Hawaii turned off their analog signal on January 15. Groink (talk) 21:00, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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GA Review[edit]

Passed. Vaticidalprophet 20:11, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Reviewer: Vaticidalprophet (talk · contribs) 18:37, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Grabbing both of these two, will aim to start an actual review sometime around when the current one wraps up. Vaticidalprophet 18:37, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Lead and channel 13[edit]

Exhausted today, for some reason, but I've been really hoping to get a start on this one and didn't want to leave you hanging further, so the first responses I can manage for now. I really like this one, as I've told you -- it's something unique.

  • The first paragraph of the lead buries information somewhat. One thing that's unintuitive to keep in mind about Wikipedia articles is that people often interact with them through knowledge panels or Discord snippets or other horrendously decontextualizing things, and make snap judgements about whether this is what they're looking for from those. Right now, we have KIKU (channel 20) is a multicultural independent television station in Honolulu, Hawaii, United States, serving the Hawaiian Islands. It is owned by Allen Media Group alongside ABC affiliate KITV (channel 4). The two stations share studios on South King Street in downtown Honolulu; KIKU's transmitter is located in Nānākuli. KIKU's programming consists primarily of programs in Japanese and Filipino, some syndicated programming, and local news from KITV. Most of these snippet-formats show the first 2-3 sentences of a lead; for this article, the information about what makes KIKU unique and what confirms it's the particular station a reader is looking for information on is in the fourth sentence.
    • Reworded the lead. Lead paragraphs can get tricky with this field.
  • The station changed its call sign to KIKU in 1993 after JN Productions took over operations; its owner, Joanne Ninomiya, had been the general manager of channel 13 when that station was Japanese-language KIKU-TV. This is unintuitive to keep track of. After rereading it a few times and turning it over in my head, I think the clauses in the first half of this sentence are the wrong way around. "JN Productions took over operations in 1993, changing the station's call sign to KIKU (or "with the station's call sign changing to KIKU", if there's a subtle distinction here)..." ...you want to keep the explicit connection that the callsign was that of a previous channel Ninomiya was connected to, but I can't find the ideal way to do so right now.
    • Reworded.
  • Japanese text should be in {{lang}} or {{nihongo}}. The line between what's foreign-language text and what's not is kind of tricky (callsign shouldn't be, I think names shouldn't be but this has never been established...), but kiku as a word should be, and the kanji and hiragana for it definitely should be. Tokusatsu probably should be.
    • Done.
  • Cite 3 suggests proto-KIKU was wholly Japanese-language between 1967 and 1970, which the article is less clear on (goes from "primarily Japanese" to "subtitles on its Japanese-language programming").
    • Mentioned.
  • then-KTRG-TV is very hyphens -- is there no other way to put this?
    • Removed the call sign mention here.
  • The chronological order of the third paragraph of "KIKU on channel 13" is somewhat confused. We discuss Ninomiya leaving the station in January after we discuss the changes in June. On a skim, it's easy to muddle the timeline here. I'm also not in love with the last sentence's phrasing, which is a little tangled up in clauses.

More to come. Vaticidalprophet 13:37, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

History[edit]

I don't have anything much to say about the text that's there -- it's well-written and utilizes the sources. However...

As you've mentioned a lot, broadcast station coverage tends to dry up in the past couple decades -- local news gets more corporatized, linear TV declines in cultural relevance. This is a lot less true here. The death and resurrection of KIKU's Asian-language programming is discussed by a lot of sources that aren't here, in greater depth than the ones that are. There's a lot of opportunity to contextualize the station's unique social role.

There's a lot of interest here. Some of these sources have more unique coverage than others, but none of them are in the article, and they're all worth a look. This is a very sociological subject, by the standards of these articles. I don't think the article is quite expressing the station's role in Japanese-Hawaiian culture yet. Vaticidalprophet 19:48, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Took a whack at adding more material, particularly in this vein, @Vaticidalprophet. I'd love your thoughts. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 02:17, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Last two sections post-expansion[edit]

Reading back over these now.

  • The first two paragraphs of "Sale to WRNN-TV Associates; home shopping programming" are very proseline. Given their length, they can reasonably be consolidated and restructured into more of a coherent whole than an X-happened-on-Y-date.
  • There's also some jargon in them that risks putting off the more general reader (e.g. part of a larger deal that RNN made for main-channel affiliations). It might be better to discuss this by naming more concrete things like the number of stations affected, the fact (per Peterson's quote in the Bloomberg press release) there was actively a desire to expand ShopHQ's accessibility to exclusively over-the-air viewers, etc.
  • The impact of the leadup to the changeover for KIKU's programming (burning off episodes, but at least some series being abandoned completely) may be worth a mention, probably in the consolidated-paragraph.
  • Pacific Business News says the lack of local ads was only one reason for the local studio's closure?
  • including among the older viewers I don't think that "the" is necessary, and I wonder if "including" (rather than something like "in particular"/"particularly") undersells the degree to which they were disproportionately impacted.
  • The general manager of KITV noted that -- "said" is fine here.

That should hopefully be it. Vaticidalprophet 18:39, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Last revisions @Vaticidalprophet. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 20:05, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Did you know nomination[edit]

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Bruxton talk 15:03, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Improved to Good Article status by Sammi Brie (talk). Self-nominated at 22:56, 12 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/KIKU; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

  • Article was nominated within 7 days of passing GAR. Article is long enough and compliant w/r/t sourcing, neutrality, and copyvio per Earwigs. Hook is cited, interesting, and short enough for DYK. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Morgan695 (talk • contribs) 05:36, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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