Talk:Ka'ak

Kitab al Wusla il al Habib

According to A Book of Middle Eastern Food by Claudia Roden, "Three recipes for 'ka'ak' are given in the medieval Kitab al Wusla il al Habib" I was wondering if we could incorporate this information, and was wondering if someone is familiar with this medieval text. --Falastine fee Qalby (talk) 20:45, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

We certainly should incorporate that info. Do you have the book and/or the medieval text? --Al Ameer son (talk) 22:59, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

I have the recipe book. Here is the citation created with ottobib Roden, Claudia (1974). A Book of Middle Eastern Food. New York: Vintage Books. ISBN 0394719484. The quote is on page 366. That is the only information I have on ka'ak besides the recipe. Unfortunately, I don't have the Kitab al Wusla or much information on the book. I found only that it was written in the thirteenth century, from Damascus[1]; this source says the book is from Baghdad [2]. Nothing so far that we could use in this article. It would be good to incorporate what we have, but not sure which section, but for now I will place it under ka'ak bread rings, since the recipe in Roden's book is the savory bread rings version.

Also since I couldn't find any information on Yemeni ka'ak, I wrote to the Yemen Times a few days ago requesting that they write an article on Yemeni baked goods especially ka'ak. I got a response saying they would, let see how that goes. --Falastine fee Qalby (talk) 23:43, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

I'll look into both books soon if I can. As for the Yemen Times articles, that's fantastic they will write an article on it. Nice job, I can see you are pretty determined to further improve this article? --Al Ameer son (talk) 00:36, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Thank you! I am obliged to keep my word. :} Let me know what you find --Falastine fee Qalby (talk)

ka'ak is not arabic for cake

cake is not the arabic word for cake, its the word for an arabic pastry similar to cake. this should be changed. a friend of mind told me that the word "cake" is actually derived originally from ka'ak. anybody know about this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bulbasaur (talk • contribs) 07:56, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

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Propaganda with False Citations in History section

Hello everyone

I was reading this article to learn more about Ka'ak and was shocked that the *entire* history/background section on the food is given as coming from Jewish sources. Plainly this is biased as it's obviously broadly middle eastern, and I checked the citations and they go into Talmud, to sections *not* difinitively talking about Ka'ak, but other things that could be misconstrued as ka'ak if you are reading it dishonestly to push a political point.

Surely Jews made this food as well as Christians, Muslims, or any other middle eastern group, but this history section is blatant propaganda. And I am not biased about this either, as I am jewish myself and can notice it's BS. This is the history section as I am typing this:

"Ka'ak has been a staple since Roman times, although called by its Latin name buccellatum (= soldiers' biscuit).[2] In Hebrew, it was known by the name qanūḇqa’ot (Hebrew: קנובקאות),[3] and which were often baked to a crisp in an oven and could be ground back into flour and made into a gruel or paste and fed to babies.[4] In the early 11th-century, scholar and rabbi Hai Gaon described the ka'ak as being a hardened biscuit eaten usually as a dessert, and made dry, with or without spices.[5]"

I am going to delete this, as it's plainly propaganda with false citations going to things that are *not* definitively ka'ak, rather crisp bread that could be anything. As stated in this talk section, the history of this bread is most likely originating in the middle ages, as the majority of mainstream Arabic or Middle Eastern foods today do. I will be giving the history written in Claudia Roden's book of middle eastern food in the mean time while we can find better or more accurate citations.

Cakiva (talk) 23:13, 20 June 2022 (UTC)