Talk:Kalonymus ben Kalonymus

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles

Jewish history Low‑importance

	Judaism portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Jewish history, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Jewish history on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Jewish historyWikipedia:WikiProject Jewish historyTemplate:WikiProject Jewish historyJewish history-related articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Judaism Mid‑importance

	Judaism portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Judaism, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Judaism-related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.JudaismWikipedia:WikiProject JudaismTemplate:WikiProject JudaismJudaism articles
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Germany Low‑importance

	Germany portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Germany, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Germany on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.GermanyWikipedia:WikiProject GermanyTemplate:WikiProject GermanyGermany articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Middle Ages Low‑importance

	Middle Ages portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Middle Ages, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of the Middle Ages on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Middle AgesWikipedia:WikiProject Middle AgesTemplate:WikiProject Middle AgesMiddle Ages articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

It is requested that an image or photograph be included in this article to improve its quality. Please replace this template with a more specific media request template where possible.
The Free Image Search Tool or Openverse Creative Commons Search may be able to locate suitable images on Flickr and other web sites.

Upload

Name[edit]

Are there any hints of his real/birth name? "Kalonymus" basically means "good name"/"beautiful name" (kalos (καλός) + -onym), and it looks pretty much like a pseudonymus to me. - Altenmann >talk 22:11, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral pronouns[edit]

Since whether Kalonymus was trans is debated, as discussed in the article, shouldn't we be using neutral pronouns (e.g. they/them) in the article?

i second this notion and will probably change it in a few weeks if i dont get any complaints — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:20:A022:CA8F:0:49:718B:E401 (talk) 12:08, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I agree; I was in fact coming here to ask the exact same question. confermusearename (talk, contribs) Have a nice day! 19:40, 3 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I believe we should be doing so. Kind regards, Justarandomamerican (talk) 22:37, 3 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Protecting this page[edit]

I am suggesting that this page should be semi-protected, as it has been subject to edit wars in the past and I am concerned that the recent decision to use they/them pronouns for this historical personage may (with apologies) engender more of the same. Thoughts? newmila (talk) 20:10, 14 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Context for the poem[edit]

The poem mentioned here appears in the book in the context of complaining about how hard being a boy is, having to endure gruelling studies, which is why it is often rejected by conservative readers as just a semi-jocular complaint about this stuff rather than an earnest desire to transition. Reading the context myself, it really does feel somewhat ambiguous:

He talks at length about how wrong he was to follow earthly desires (including his love of women and fine clothing) and about how hard it is to be a boy/man and have to constantly study instead.
On the other hand, I’m not sure if this might be a case of ‘want her or want to be her’ that every trans woman has experienced, plus his descriptions of wanting to be a woman are extremely detailed and laudatory.
Then again, his style in general seems very purple prose-y, so it could just be some dramatic flair…

The problem is that mentioning all of this would be original research. Hebrew Wikipedia laconically mentions sources saying it’s ‘just joking’, but I don’t have those myself available. Could someone fill this more sceptical angle in? שונרא (talk) 15:12, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]