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Since Branson, Mo is the vacation destination of the team, what are the chances of getting a What-A-Burger here so everyone could see the big orange/white "W" on the north side of town when tourists & fans come into our area? 173.218.36.91 (talk) 03:03, 12 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Suggesting if the Reid/Mahomes era should be split to its own article similar to Patriots since it’s now recognized as one Btomblinson (talk) 09:32, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Words in the Wind: The Chiefs have won 4 NFL championships according to the actual article which links to the team's Infobox. AFL titles are not recognized as NFL championships. Please, do not revert the changes until we get a general consensus from other users. Kj1595 (talk) 21:20, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Kj1595: Please see Template:Infobox NFL team for more information on listing league championships (which does not just refer to the National Football League but also the American Football League). I honestly do not have any skin in this game but based on previous consensus this is how the information has been included and listed. I am very sorry and I am not trying to be rude, but you do not get the right to unilaterally revert information that has long had consensus. Please see Buffalo Bills, Houston Oilers, and San Diego Chargers for more information. Again if you believe the infobox information is incorrect, I would suggest getting consensus at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Football League where you might generate a larger conversation on this.
I am sorry, I am not trying to start fights or wars with you but you seem pretty emotionally engaged on this issue. That is not my intent here. I understand secondly you may be confusing NFL and AFL history, but I think that is something that could get sorted while trying to get consensus on the issue at the NFL page. Please let me know if you have any questions, and do not revert the page any further as yes, this will get reported for edit warring where this can get sorted out later.
Once again, I am sorry you seem upset on this issue. If you are confused or upset about this, please explain why and we can go from there. Words in the Wind(talk) 21:47, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's you who are confused. The AFL was added to the old NFL via the merger. However, only the championships of the old NFL are recognized as such. Green Bay has 13 titles as it was an original NFL team. The AFL, prior to joining the NFL, was its own seperate league. Kj1595 (talk) 21:52, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This has everything to do with you as it is you who is erroneously updating the article's infobox. And you keep posting the same wikiproject link for some strange reason. The actual Wiki article that links to the infobox lists all the NFL champions. The Bills, Oilers and SD Chargers articles are all wrong. Look at the New York Jets and Las Vegas Raiders articles as model examples. The official Pro Football Hall of Fame website shows the correct list as well. Where did you come up with number 5? Even if somehow we were to include the AFL titles, shouldn't the Chiefs have 7 championships? This is the last warning. If you undo the infobox changes one more time, without getting a consensus resolution in the talk page of this article, I will report you to the Admin Noticeboard. The Pro Football Hall of Fame website is the official source of the NFL. Unless you can provide an alternative official source which states that the Chiefs have 5 championships, do not make any changes to the infobox. Kj1595 (talk) 01:32, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello again @Kj1595:, I see you have changed the page again without consensus. I will do my best to describe why we have had the page showing five titles (as of Sunday).
The total league titles combines all pre-Super Bowl League titles with the Super Bowl titles. The math is not overly complicated as there was one pre-Super Bowl title in 1962, the Texan/Chiefs lost Super Bowl I in 1967, so the '66 year is not counted towards total league titles. To reduce double counting, the 1969 year is not counted either. This gives four Super Bowl titles and the one pre-merger AFL title, 4+1=5. The AFL-NFL merger certainly complicates the history of the sport as all titles are eligible to be claimed as "league titles". This is why I keep asking you to take this to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Football League, I think it makes sense to have a conversation there.
Can I ask why you are only removing pre-Super Bowl titles on the page for the Chiefs/Texans and not on other team pages like the Buffalo Bills or San Diego Chargers? I am just trying to get a sense of the rationale, it may help us find the way to the best consensus. I would also add the way you have edited the page the math of the various league titles also does not add up correctly.
Also you keep saying I have been the one adding this information, but it has been on this Wikipedia page over the last 15+ years as such, which is why I have asked you to get consensus first before changing it. I have added a few historic links below to verify the page history.
Can you let me know if that makes sense in terms of how the math works? If not I would be happy to start the page the build consensus on the larger NFL talk page I have linked you to numerous times. Words in the Wind(talk) 03:49, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Rockchalk717: is there anything I am getting wrong or missing here. Your input would be appreciated as well. Words in the Wind(talk) 03:52, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The official source of the NFL, the Pro Football Hall of Fame, does not recognize AFL titles as NFL championships. What can't you not understand? Also, I have not made any edits to articles of other NFL teams. You have to provide an official source which states that the Chiefs have 5 NFL championships or similarly that the AFL titles are recognized as NFL championships. If you cannot provide such a source, do not make changes to the infobox. It's really not complicated. Kj1595 (talk) 04:06, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi again @Kj1595:, thanks for the quick reply! I started a conversation over at the main NFL talk page and pinged you. Also, I think you are confusing NFL titles and AFL titles. These are "total league titles" and not "a league title" or "the league title", whereas league is defined as "only the NFL". No one is saying that the Texans were the "NFL Champions" in 1962, but they were the league champion. I can see the point of your argument is that your perspective is that "only NFL titles are including as league titles", but this definition is actually broader based on a history of competing leagues.
This is why when you go to the page for the Template:Infobox NFL team under the description |league_champs= the instructions state that A comma-separated list of the seasons in which the team has won a league championship prior to the Super Bowl era. Note that it does not mention total NFL titles, but rather the lower case league. Also note under |no_league_champs= the same description is provided no_league_champs [OPTIONAL] Total number of league championships", lower case league, not capital league or formal NFL as your perspective is.
I am not confused at all. Look at the article that is linked to the League championships inside the infobox. The numbers do not match. For this to work, that article needs to be modified by including AFL titles in the NFL Championships table. Kj1595 (talk) 05:00, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Add both league titles, designating which are AFL & which are NFL. GoodDay (talk) 04:25, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This discussion should be centralized at WT:NFL as the styling and considerations should be consistent across all NFL team articles. No use splitting the conversation. Hey man im josh (talk)`
This is an older GA promotion listed at the ongoing GA sweeps. Most of the post-2012 content is uncited, which is unfortunate as this time span is one of the most important in Chiefs history. Additionally, other portions of the article are uncited, such as the entire retired numbers table and the hall of famers section. The entire article needs a fine-toothed comb for various less obvious issues as well, such as giving ticket prices as of 2009, and has long held a reputation for being one of the toughest and loudest outdoor stadiums for opposing players to play in is cited entirely to sources from before 2010 and while this is still going to be true I expect, this needs newer sources to continue to support this content. The section about the rivalry with the Rams has accreted non-obvious uncited text - the three sources for this section are two sources focusing on the 2018 game and a source from before the Rams left St. Louis. hailed by many as one of the greatest games in league history from that section particularly needs better sourcing, as both of the sources about that game in this paragraph are from the teams involved's official websites, so independent sourcing proclaiming this is necessary. There are going to be similar issues uncovered in a close look-over the whole article - if work does not occur, a good article reassessment will be necessary. Hog FarmTalk 19:32, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not done You'll need a reliable source indicating that's a well-known nickname for the Chiefs. OhNoitsJamie Talk 20:22, 5 March 2024 (UTC)