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Kate Roberts[edit]

Thank you for whomever reverted this article to "Kate Roberts", I was wondering why someone had changed its title. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.125.165.29 (talk) 17:15, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Kate Roberts/Winograd[edit]

I've been doing some searching and noticed that Bill Horton did have an affair with a Kate Winograd around the time Lucas Horton was supposed to have been conceived. It their a RELIABLE source that can prove that Kate Winograd and Kate Roberts are indeed the same person or two completely seperate characters. I would find it hard to believe that Bill had an affair with two women with the same name.--Nk3play2 my buzz 07:07, 3 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Disputed[edit]

Kate Winograd is a separate character, so this article is essentially fan fiction right now... 67.246.14.41 (talk) 03:16, 29 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Though I was the user who initially introduced the information to the article, when it was removed I chose not to dispute it, despite the fact that I found an archived version of an NBC Days site, which confirmed that Kate Roberts and Kate Winograd were the same person; though I didn't add the information back to the article, I think what I found was pretty concrete, here it is, what you guys choose to do with the information is your decision; copy and paste the full link, with web archive included: ttp://web.archive.org/web/20080717104109/http://www.nbc.com/Days_of_our_Lives/family_tree/horton/bill_horton.shtml
This is really interesting, but the show itself has never mentioned them being the same person. Kate's former career as a doctor was never discussed, and it seems that she wouldn't have had to be a hooker if she were a doctor. BUT I do find it interesting that it's not just fan fiction, NBC itself was actually feeding this at one point. 67.246.14.41 (talk) 07:35, 8 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

--Nk3play2 my buzz 00:47, 5 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Just another observation; on the official Days of our Lives website, Kate's character biography discusses the character's history as if she appeared in Salem before 1993. "Kate's past carries many scars and more than a few secrets. While married to the abusive Curtis Reed, Kate had two children, Austin and Billie. She had an affair with Dr. Bill Horton and became pregnant by him. When Curtis found out about her affair and pregnancy, he beat her, threw her out and told her that their children were dead. Kate had a son by Bill Horton, Lucas. After Kate established a new and very successful life for herself and her son, she returned to Salem."; here is the link Kate Roberts Days --69.115.179.35 (talk) 00:57, 5 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The series' official website fails WP:V due to it not being a third-party source. MusicFreak7676 TALK! 03:33, 7 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Plus, NBC does not actually produce, write, or own the show. 67.246.14.41 (talk) 07:36, 8 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
That all fits Kate's character as written, as a retcon, it does not necessitate her having been seen by the audience before 1993. 67.246.14.41 (talk) 07:37, 8 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

My i ad something to this talk page: In 1994 Laura reveled that Kate had an affair with Bill 18 Years (incorrect, 18 years would have made it 1976, and KATE WINOGRAD did not appear until 1977). That should give us enough evidence to support this that Kate Roberts from 1993- 1993 was Kate Winograd in 19777

Also When Kate returned to Salem in 1993 a new writer was brought on and perhaps thought that that Kate's past at the Hospital and the fued with Laura and Bill was old school and made Kate a changed women when she came back.

I also think that Kate has a Doctor would be an excelent storyline for her. Also When Bill and Laura returned in 2010 for Alice's funeral. Kate and Bill had a past moment. Which means that they knew eachother in the past. When Adair played Kate there was no storyline that Kate and Bill had an affair and also then do please explain how Lucus was created if Kate and Bill did not produce him.

Therfore i personally believe that Kate was Kate Winograd and was played by Elaine Princi.

P.S. On some DAYS website it was said that Kate had plastic surgert when she left salem in 1979. That would explain her looking totally diffrent than the Princi version.

Thank You — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.48.1.190 (talk) 20:18, 10 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oh is you all believe that Winograd is not Roberts Dimera than should'nt we make a page for Kate Winograd i mean she is a days character. You can put her under former characters or what ever ot is

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.48.1.5 (talk) 20:29, 10 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Kate Roberts and Kate Winogard are two separate people. Stop trying to push the issue. DAYS' website fails WP:V since it isn't a third party source. It can be inaccurate. MusicFreak7676 TALK! 01:16, 14 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, fine then make a pagee for Kate winograd, she was a days of our lives character and is nt there a section called former characters is nt there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.48.1.5 (talk) 12:06, 14 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Why should I have to make a page. Make a mini-page on the character page if you want one so bad. Also, please remember to sign your postings. MusicFreak7676 TALK! 18:31, 14 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Some people are saying that Kate first appeared in August, 1992 that makes sense as Austin appared the around the same and billie appared the month afterwrads (september, 1992) is this accurate It is just that that is why it says on soap- opera wiki 1977- 1978, 1979 (I KNOW NOW THAT THAT IS NOT RIGHT!!!) but then it says specifically 1992, 1993- 1995, 1996- is Soap- opera more acuurate then NBC lke u said? (Shaun sullivan)

P.s. soory i am new to editing so i don't know who to "sign" my postining Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.48.1.5 (talk) 21:50, 14 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have no clue what wiki you are referring to. I believe Kate came to town after both Billie and Austin. As for signing, it tells you when you edit the post. MusicFreak7676 TALK! 00:21, 15 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Soap opera wiki it says the Kate came to salem in August, 1992 - November, 1992 before officaly returning as an offical contract member on February 24 1993 Thanks (Shaun Sullivan) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.48.1.5 (talk) 01:20, 15 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

What Soap Opera Wiki? Plus, Wikipedia itself cannot be used a source. And once again, sign your posts. MusicFreak7676 TALK! 01:50, 15 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Is there any refrence or source that the date Kate first appeared (February 23, 1993) is correct???.

Here's a link with some discussion. https://whathappensinsalem.wordpress.com/2015/11/04/wtf-wednesday-the-curious-case-of-kate-winograd/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:645:4301:ADC0:E469:EF44:F2F5:B877 (talk) 20:30, 10 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Also when was her first appearance if it was February 24 then wouldnt be 23 or 25... Iam confused — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.48.1.5 (talk) 01:59, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

When during Adair's time as Kate did Kate have an affair with Bill Horton... Also could someone PLEASE anserw my last TWO question (just abouve this one)

In her early years. We don't have to specify the year of the affair. And do you have a source that says otherwise to her first airdate? So please do not change it. And sign your posts. MusicFreak7676 TALK! 21:39, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, go onto Jason47,com find Contract arcives and find Adairs name it will tell you the appearances she made - the website is very useful i think we shoudl use it for all of our info what do you think 204.48.1.190 (talk) 21:43, 22 April 2012 (UTC)§→←√÷×−±≥≤≠≈″°“‘—–’”[reply]

Jason47.com is NOT a valid source. You have to read WP:V and WP:SOURCE to understand. You can't just choose random sites. We've told you this. MusicFreak7676 TALK! 21:45, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, then so are you sure she mad her first appearance on February 23 1993??? §·→←√÷×−±≥≤≠≈′″°“‘—–’” — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.48.1.190 (talk) 21:47, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

If that's what it says, then that's what it is. I know another editor who makes sure no false information is like that. And please, sign your post with the four tildes! MusicFreak7676 TALK! 21:49, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ok sorry (it is confusing i deeply apoligize) it is just that she is my FAVORITE Character on the show so i want everything to be accuarate (sully66§§) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.48.1.5 (talk) 21:51, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That's fine but you keep making edits that can make you blocked from editing. And once again, use "~ ~ ~ ~" without the quotes and spaces. That's correctly signing your post. MusicFreak7676 TALK! 21:54, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

So i think i will just go on the website findout al of her info and then bring it to this page i no how to make a refernce as well204.48.1.5 (talk) 21:57, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

What site are you making a referral to? You've already provided no site that can be correctly sourced as valid. MusicFreak7676 TALK! 21:58, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Well i can not use Jason47 can i? but it really is useful 204.48.1.190 (talk) 22:17, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Im i doing the signing rite 204.48.1.190 (talk) 22:19, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There, i mad the (hopefull) acuuarte changes to the page check them out and see if you approve. 204.48.1.190 (talk) 22:36, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, would Soapcenteral have her first airdate on it what do you think204.48.1.5 (talk) 22:44, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

SoapCentral cannot be used for anything but news. Sorry. MusicFreak7676 TALK! 22:47, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
They edit you made was NOT helpful and once again, Jason27.com/Days Contract Archive CANNOT BE USED!! Stop trying to add it. Please. And we don't list 1993-1995, it stays 1993-95. MusicFreak7676 TALK! 22:48, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ok so her first airdate is unkown... i am not allowed to find one???204.48.1.5 (talk) 22:51, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Just leave the date. I don't know why you're hung up on this right now. It's been there forever. It's her premiere date. Stop trying to push the issue. You keep pushing it and you're making it worse than it should be. MusicFreak7676 TALK! 22:52, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

But see here i though the 24 of feb WAS her perimer date though204.48.1.5 (talk) 23:05, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I need hardcore evidence of it from a creditable, third-party source. MusicFreak7676 TALK! 23:16, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Do you know any third party sources that might have some hardcore evidence???204.48.1.5 (talk) 23:18, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Why? You are the one who has a serious issue with the date already there. MusicFreak7676 TALK! 23:20, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

well lets think arent soap episode premted a day before it originally aires so if it was feb 24 1993 then it would be the day before which would logically make it feb 23 1993 what do you think of my reasoning 204.48.1.5 (talk) 23:23, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Soap episodes aren't pre-empted per a day. So I have no clue what your reasoning presents. MusicFreak7676 TALK! 23:25, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

ok so sheknows.com just as its date mixed up???

but yes it is getting kind of silly so what date do u think we should stick tio then just to end it once and for all204.48.1.5 (talk) 23:26, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This is what I've been telling you; leave the date. Nothing is wrong with it. MusicFreak7676 TALK! 23:28, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

so you say February 23 1993 is fine just leave it or what????204.48.1.5 (talk) 23:28, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Have I not said that all along? lol. MusicFreak7676 TALK! 23:34, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

OK IT IS OFFICAL THEN LOL, FEBRUARY 23 1993, APRIL 23 1994 JANUARY 24 1996 204.48.1.5 (talk) 00:07, 23 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

What is your issue? After deciding on the date, you go against what I told you and added something that violates WP:V. Do it again, I will be reporting you for vandalism and disruption to an article. Just stop. If you can't follow the rules, then don't edit at all. MusicFreak7676 TALK! 17:07, 27 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Is Kate already working with Ian and maddi and Madworld now?204.48.1.5 (talk) 02:01, 29 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

LAST NAME[edit]

Does anyone know what Kate's maiden name was?204.48.1.5 (talk) 15:36, 29 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Roberts. It's included in the article. And at this point. I think you're just asking this stuff to annoy me and get on people's nerves. Please just stop wasting your time and everyone else's. MusicFreak7676 TALK! 03:46, 2 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

we all know that Kate Winograd and Kate DiMera are two seperate characters (so please don't jump down my throat for that one) then why does it still say under occupations she was head anesthesioligist?204.48.1.190 (talk) 23:36, 2 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Because it's correctly sourced from a book stating that Kate Roberts had such a job. MusicFreak7676 TALK! 23:50, 2 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

what book? can you purchase it???204.48.1.190 (talk) 23:54, 2 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know. Possibly? MusicFreak7676 TALK! 00:10, 3 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe there will be some more info on Kate. Then we could use some of that as a source!!! YAH204.48.1.190 (talk) 00:13, 3 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I was reading the source on the web regarding Kate has an Anesthesioligist at Salem Hospital and all it said was that it was Kate winograd not KAte Roberts who held that occupation so i think we should delet that occupation off of the occupation list... what do you think???. 204.48.1.190 (talk) 12:27, 6 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Waitress[edit]

I do not remeber seeing Kate as being a waitress. I belive her very first job as working for Victor when she first came to town but no mention of her ever being a waitress????64.66.233.81 (talk) 19:56, 18 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

When Victor kicked her out in 2003-2004, she worked at a diner with Hattie Adams...or maybe it was Fay Walker...don't remember but I remember she was a waitress there. Rm994 (talk) 00:16, 30 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This article is fan fiction[edit]

She is not Kate Winograd. That has never been stated on the show and should be deleted from this article. 69.120.193.115 (talk) 05:47, 18 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Picture of Elaine Princi[edit]

Does anyone have a picture of Elaine Princi as Kate so we can put it in the article?--64.66.233.34 (talk) 02:17, 31 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Even Soap Opera Digest has confirmed in previous issues (I cannot hunt down exact dates) that Kate Winograd played by Elaine Princi and Kate Roberts are NOT THE SAME CHARACTER! This article is a mess because some people cannot grasp that fact. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.103.10.226 (talk) 03:41, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Kate Winograd - Teach the controversy?[edit]

Sources seem to contradict whether the two Kates are the same. People who watched the show back then (with Kate Winograd in the seventies, and then the introduction of Kate Roberts in the nineties) claim they are different people, but the show itself has fudged the issue.

We are in a difficult spot because there are no reliable sources which properly address the issue (none online at least).

From what I can see (and I didn't see any of it) is that they are either two different people, or it is a history-changing fudge of a retcon. Someone did a blog post about it here (which, although doubtless not a "reliable source" is interesting as it comes from someone who watched it: https://whathappensinsalem.wordpress.com/2015/11/04/wtf-wednesday-the-curious-case-of-kate-winograd/

I put forward that the best way to deal with the issue is to be honest about it - and acknowledge the controversy/uncertainty. I suggest leaving out Kate Winograd from the main article, and then do a side-box which briefly introduces Kate Winograd, and the question of whether she is, or is not, the same character as Kate Roberts. The difficulty in practise of doing this is, again, the lack of sources. But if that problem can be overcome, it's a good option to deal with the issue. There is undoubtedly is a controversy/uncertainty (and show itself is the cause of it), and honesty is the best policy! Aliveness Cascade (talk) 23:33, 27 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

From what I understand, it was a retcon of storytelling. Lauren Koslow herself stated in a previous issue of Soap Opera Digest, which is sourced within the article, that Kate Roberts and Kate Winograd are in fact the same character. Koslow herself stated this, in the October 2, 2012, issue of the publication. livelikemusic talk! 01:04, 29 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Have you yourself seen that SOD article? I'd like to see that! What I have seen is her 2015 Afterbuzz interview which is given in the blog entry I've linked to above (worth reading, and worth watching the interview!) which Lauren Koslow hadn't even heard of Kate Winograd - didn't know a thing about it at all! Didn't know Winograd was a doctor! This was *all* amazing news to her, and it was clear she didn't know of anything before Deborah Adair. So, sorry to be contradictory - but I've seen that with my own eyes and heard it with my own ears, and it obviously throws doubt on what you say about the SOD article.Aliveness Cascade (talk) 01:20, 29 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, yes I have, because I am the one who sourced it myself from the exact article back in 2012. And I am sure if I search through boxes, from when I moved, I'm sure I have the article somewhere. Nothing in the SOD excerpt mentioned the character's occupation, just that the character was introduced as Kate Winograd, per Koslow's own words. And, per that own interview, she couldn't even recall certain aspects of Kate, even when she portrayed the role, which is only natural. livelikemusic talk! 01:38, 29 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, cool, thank you. No need to search - doing a google search came up with Days's geek Jason47 discussing the two interviews: http://daytimeroyaltyonline.com/single/?p=11006493&t=8715095 Aliveness Cascade (talk) 01:49, 29 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Just makes the whole affair curiouser and curiouser! My guess is that she was told the name but knew nothing else. She seemed to know nothing about Winograd. The trouble is the Winograd story and the Roberts back story are *not* the same, as the blog entry shows. There's commonalities - an affair with Bill Horton - but other parts of their stories don't match at all. Roberts was married and had two children. Winograd wasn't and didn't. Winograd and Bill were doctors and they met at the hospital. Roberts and Bill met in different circumstances. If it's a retcon, it's a whopping history-changing one, and it's hard to imagine an anesthetist (very-highly paid) falling into prostitution, and then never ever mentioning she was a doctor ever again! And people who watched both Kate Winograd's time, and Kate Roberts entry on the show say they are different people. If only we had a Deborah Adair interview - she might be able to shed some light. Aliveness Cascade (talk) 02:01, 29 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Again, it's likely a retcon of Kate's history done by the writers around the time of Adair's hiring. And most of what the blog speculates is just that — speculation. livelikemusic talk! 02:09, 29 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
This discussion from 1996 was more informative to me: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.arts.tv.soaps.misc/zWM4u8DUneI Apparently they created faux flashbacks after the introduction of Roberts, and part of the Lucas-daddy-reveal storyline. But they were very different to the Winograd story. I don't think the two Kates have ever been identified on the show as the same. Aliveness Cascade (talk) 02:25, 29 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

That's cute and all, but faux flashbacks written by fans, back in 1996, is not concrete proof, and does not, in any way bare any solidification to the Kate Roberts article. All we have is a source from Soap Opera Digest confirming the two character are, in fact, the same "Kate". Anything else not written into the storyline(s) are simply not there, and regarded as fan speculation, to the best of its capabilities. Again, I truly believe that when Kate was re-introduced in 1993, James E. Reilly retconned Kate's past, in the hopes of bringing the character to the forefront of the then-current canvas, as well as the introduction of Kate's children, etc. Moving her from different career paths was a tool likely used by Reilly to fit Kate better into the storylines she was being written in at the time. livelikemusic talk! 02:50, 29 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, I'm very interested in what people who saw the shows have to say, there's no need to get over-excited and tell me it's not a valid source and all. To me it's interesting and helps me make sense of the issue. I'm afraid though, that "all we have" is no longer the SOD article - we also have the 2015 Afterbuzz interview where Koslow has never heard of Winograd and her being a doctor. One printed word, versus a video interview! It makes the whole matter uncertain again. Sources contradict each other! Our personal takes are our personal takes, but the sources remain contradictory. Aliveness Cascade (talk) 03:34, 29 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

From an podcast interview with Sheri Anderson:[edit]

Interviewer: I don’t know if you wrote for Kate. I don’t know if you ever wrote when Kate was on.

Sheri Anderson: I actually originally created the character of Kate. That was Deborah Adair, and actually Debbie was a friend of mine.

Interviewer: Really!

Sheri Anderson: And I just loved her, and really … one of the characters I had created first was actually Austin. And the reason for creating Austin, was at the time – there was another actress playing Carrie and the audience wasn’t responding to her very strongly, and so I thought if we had this handsome gorgeous next door neighbour who saw the beauty in her – that would help win over the audience. Interestingly enough, it did help, but again that couple – Tracy Middendorf and Patrick Muldoon at the time – they didn’t have the chemistry that later other – Carrie and Austin, Austin Peck and Christie had, and then I brought in Billie, and then, just when Jim Reilly was coming in, and I had just basically created Kate - with a little bit of a different spin on her character - he twisted her kind of a different way, but … so I really wrote for her, I wrote for Deborah Adair, not Lauren.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/diva-of-dool/2011/04/29/the-diva-of-dool-interviews-sheri-anderson-thomas at 36.52

This doesn't entirely rule out Reilly combining the two later, but it does show at least that they were created independently - as different characters - and that's important - and it's notable that she doesn't mention Winograd at all. (In the audio it is clear the different spin on the character she is talking about is the difference between her original creation and Reilly's version). Also, both the Lucas-is-a-Horton reveal and the Austin-and-Billie-are-my-children reveal happened with Adair. Aliveness Cascade (talk) 04:51, 29 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

While it does give some merit, I'm still feeling uncertain over this situation. At this point, it's a contradiction of information. Soap Opera Digest, who is a highly reliable and verifiable source, states Kate Roberts and Kate Winograd is the same person, per the answer given by Koslow. Then, we have Koslow stated she is unaware of the "Winograd" name — which easily could happen, and be a simple case of brain farts; we all have them! Finally, we have a [former] head writer stating she created the role. However, and this is a major however, she did state that Reilly did come in after her creation, which could also mean he merged the two — again, speculation! — which could mean in between Anderson's "creation" and Reilly's appointment, he could have erased the background of Winograd — again, via a retcon — and made the character of Kate brand new. Again, that's speculative. But, I find it hard to believe that a publication, as reputable as Soap Opera Digest, would state one thing that could be perceived as entirely false. That would put question into the validity of their history and their publication. In truth, I do not believe anyone at Days of Our Lives will ever bring this up, and give us definite clarification. That is, unless, someone absolutely persists. It is a messy fucking situation, if you ask of me. livelikemusic talk! 13:10, 29 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
For now we have conflicting sources. Because of the conflict I don't think the encyclopedia can safely state that Winograd and Roberts are the same, and so, in my view, the article shouldn't read as though they are definitely the same (as it does now). Hence I think my proposition is fitting: have the article all about Kate Roberts, with Kate Winograd and Elaine Princi in a side box (or perhaps a separate paragraph), introducing Kate Winograd, and saying sources differ as to whether they are meant to be the same character. In the real world they are essentially different characters (in my view) which the show seems later to have fudged together in its external publicity. There are such significant differences in their stories and characteristics that people who saw the shows insist that they are different characters; and also they have never been identified on screen as the same. That's not surprising, as it's not really believable that they are the same (one was a anesthetist who had no children and was single, whom Bill knew through work; the other was never a doctor, and had an abusive husband and two kids, and Bill knew her from outside work). We have Sheri Anderson saying she originally created Kate , and then we have an old NBC page on Bill Horton that identifies the earlier Kate Winograd as Kate Roberts! (First capture 14 June 2008, last capture 19 Feb 2010 - https://web.archive.org/web/20100219235029/http://www.nbc.com:80/Days_of_our_Lives/family_tree/horton/bill_horton.shtml). That old NBC page could well be the source of the later SOD thing. Also, it's funny that the equivalent page for Kate Roberts doesn't mention Winograd at all, and just gives the Kate Roberts story! (https://web.archive.org/web/20080629211229/http://www.nbc.com:80/Days_of_our_Lives/bios/Kate_Roberts.shtml). Even if Days was trying to pull a retcon, in the real world Kate Winograd and Kate Roberts are still essentially different characters with different creators and different stories. I think the article needs to reflect the real world history! The article should avoid participating in the make-believe fudge that you have to do if you want to view the Days world as though they are the same. Rather, the article should represent the real-world history, which in practise means acknowledging the conflicting sources and the differences between the characters.Aliveness Cascade (talk) 17:39, 29 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

And the plot thickens ...
This below is a capture from Sony Pictures Television's old website daysofourlives.com. Again it's a page about Bill Horton ... and both Kate Winograd and Kate Roberts are mentioned ... as different people!
All the captures of this site are from 2010 (there's one listed as 2016, but it's just a placeholder page, as the real page had gone by then).
https://web.archive.org/web/20101027011924/http://daysofourlives.com/specials/specials_detail_4589.html Aliveness Cascade (talk) 18:43, 29 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This is the earliest capture (Nov 2005) of the Kate Roberts page from the same site. There is no link to Winograd at all - just the standard Kate Roberts story: https://web.archive.org/web/20051102080931/http://www.daysofourlives.com:80/show_guide/char_bio_detail_145.html

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Incompatible characters[edit]

Hey folks! It would have been REALLY COOL if headwriters Sheri Anderson and James E. Reilly had successfully created a backstory for Kate Roberts that successfully identified her as the same character as Dr Kate Winograd who appeared in the 70s. But THEY DID NOT! Instead Anderson and/or Reilly gave Kate Roberts a backstory which is absolutely incompatible, and is even incompatible with what actually happened with Bill and Laura in the 1970s episodes. Facts: Dr Kate Winograd was single and had no children, and was a high-flying doctor who was Bill's immediate boss at the hospital, and Kate resisted Bill's advances, and in fact had a sexual affair with Dr Neil Curtis, and left town of her own accord. Facts: The backstory for Kate Roberts is that when she was in Salem in the 70s, she was married to Curtis Reed, and had two children: Austin and Billie; and Bill knew them because they were all tenants in a property Bill owned, and when Bill got Kate pregnant with Lucas, Curtis threw her out and left her abandoned at the side of a road. These characters are absolutely incompatible! It's no wonder Kate Roberts has never been identified as Kate Winograd on the show! As encyclopedists the only sensible way is to treat them as two different characters - which in the real world they are - and real world perspective rules! The characters and stories of Winograd and Roberts are so different, that the only way to go is to present them separately. As encyclopedists we can and should report that sources differ, and my edits of the article have done this. This is a good solution, and really the only sensible option when all the facts are considered! Aliveness Cascade (talk) 17:17, 23 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

What happens in the storyline when Dr Tom Horton meets Kate Roberts underlines that Roberts is not Winograd. Dr Tom doesn't see his former colleague, Dr Kate Winograd, Head of Anesthesiology at all, he sees someone entirely different – a former patient from the same time period whose baby he delivered. (By the way both Tom and Alice knew about their son Bill's dalliance with Winograd - they encouraged him to rebuild his marriage when she left town in '78). — Aliveness Cascade (talk) 22:37, 3 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • I don't buy they're separate characters because I vaguely remember those 90's episodes. There was the mystery of the house that Jack bought for Jennifer. I remember it being revealed that the house was revealed to have been previously owned by Bill and that's where he and his co-worker Kate would rendezvous when they had sex. When that story was going on Kate Roberts was meant to be the co-worker Bill had the affair with years earlier.

--Meteor

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