Talk:Kawasaki Heavy Industries C151/Archive 1

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We need more informaton concerning this subject. We already have the technical specifications, but we also need more information, such as passenger-oriented features, history, materials used for the interior, signalling systems, propulsion systems, the public address system, and many other things. Also, were there any experimental programmes that were tested on these trains? I vaguely recall that plush seats were installed on these trains back in the 1990s, and for some time, LCD (or was it plasma?) screens were install in some of the trains. If you have time, please also consider taking a look into the Siemens C651 Cars, Kawasaki Heavy Industries & Nippon Sharyo C751B Cars, and the Alstom Metropolis Cars articles. A.K.R. 12:05, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Yeah also I remember a time where a train door fell off (the term used was de-something) from such a train. The TV should be LCD, as I remembered it did not have a wide viewing angle as plasma and I think plasma was too expensive and not comercially available at that time. I remember showed mostly commercials, especially Navy ads at that time, and an animation of the SMRT symbol entering a circular box, played simuntanousely as the audio announcement when the train reached a station. Not very sure about others though. User:Advanced06:17, 5 Aug 2005 (UTC)

What about some information on MRT track guage? Do these trains run on standard guage or a proprietary system?

  • The LCD was originally intended for TV Mobile, same goes for the other stocks with the TV. - Mailer Diablo 18:23, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

I notice on Sgforums that user Tamago has captured some photos on the launch of the retrofitted trains. Why not we invite him to Wikipedia and upload his photos? --Russianroulette2004 10:59, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

  • If you can contact him, sure why not! :) - Mailer Diablo 15:09, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Refurbishment of Trains

There has been false information being spread on which trains have been refurbished. Apparently as of currently 023/024 still has the Magnolia advertisement while 079/080 is still not refurbished, as I took it last Friday, 9 February 2007. We should prevent people from posting false information here. --Russianroulette2004 13:44, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Regarding the Money Train

There was, as far as I know, only one car set aside for the money train, and not four as suggested. This car could be hooked up with a normal three-car trainset for service. Normal C151 trains were made up of two three-car sets semi-permanently coupled together, and each of the three-car sets themselves were permanently coupled together - key words here are semi-permanently and permanently. The money train was simply one specialised car attached to one-half of a normal trainset, or one train car attached to a permanently-coupled set of three train cars, whichever way you see it.

Unless someone can tell me that there were actually four, and not one money train car, I'm leaving this as-is. --A.K.R. (talk) 16:46, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

The money train had a config like a two 2-car set semi-permanently coupled together. Seen it in the past, pity I don't have any photos of it :( - oahiyeel talk 23:34, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Btw, it had to have at least 3-car configuration, both ends would need 1 driving cab, but the driving cabs do not have motors, it would need at least one of those in the middle :) - oahiyeel talk 23:38, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

I think you got me wrong here. What I'm trying to say is that three of the cars in the four-car money train came from the passenger-service 396 train cars, with only one - the specially-designed car (a unpowered trailer with a driving cab) being the real money train. We are talking about how many cars for a specific use were ordered, not how many cars could there be in a specific type of train.

In other words, when the money train did it's rounds, being an unpowered trailer it could need to "borrow" the motorised cars from one-half of a usual MRT trainset to give it's power. There was no specialised four-car trainsets being used as a money train - three of the cars are actually normal, passenger-service train cars borrowed to power the one-car unpowered money train car. Hope I made myself clear. (edit - made this part clearer - --A.K.R. (talk) 13:35, 13 April 2009 (UTC) )

I see that you have reverted that edit I made; I will not revert it though as not to cause an edit war until there's a consensus on this. --A.K.R. (talk) 13:34, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

I think I understand now what you're trying to say, but seems like there isn't any data for it. If it is the way as you described, wouldn't they have to frequently do a "coupling" and "uncoupling"? Not too sure if that was how it worked, unless someone in the know steps up. - oahiyeel talk 13:16, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
I saw it being mentioned in a forum somewhere. Can't remember whether it's SGForums or SkyscraperCity Forums; but it was indeed mentioned that the money train car could always hooked up to one of either two half-MRT trainset.
Guess that might indeed involve a lot of coupling and decoupling, but then again I have - quite more frequent than you may expect - seen half-an-MRT train running about or laid up inside Bishan Depot before. Hmm. --A.K.R. (talk) 15:37, 14 April 2009 (UTC) (Edit: fixed wiki markup --A.K.R. (talk) 15:38, 14 April 2009 (UTC))
Addenum: I tried searching for information on these two forums, and though I didn't find anything concrete about the formation of these trains, I did find that there might had been not one, but two money train cars. Hmmm? --A.K.R. (talk) 16:09, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Number built is indicated in cars not trainsets. 396/6 = 66 passenger trainsets. Kawasaki says 2 cars, but it is clear by now it is T + M1 + M1 + T formation. Straits Times report in 2000 says one trainset, though. - Mailer Diablo 19:54, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
So, was it two cars or one? Also, do you have reference to the Straits Times article? --A.K.R. (talk) 16:06, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

"Safety systems" is redundant and jeopardizes any prospect of article becoming Good Article

Please do not re-add the above-mentioned section. It is unsourced, and not completely accurate. Unless you can produce a technical document explaining what is GOA2 and establish that link to the Westinghouse ATC, do not add it (the original MRTC article detailing the Westinghouse ATO/ATC do not use such terms)! Doing so will also destroy any chance of the article passing good article standards when it comes up for nomination. - Mailer Diablo 08:05, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

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Reviewer: MPJ-DK (talk · contribs) 14:19, 26 March 2016 (UTC)


Alright I will be picking up the review of this one - both for the Wiki Cup and the GA cup as well. I will be making my review comments over the next couple of days.

Side note, I would love some input on a Featured List candidate (Mexican National Light Heavyweight Championship) and a Featured Article candidate (CMLL World Heavyweight Championship). I am not asking for Quid pro Quo, but all help is appreciated.  MPJ-US  14:19, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

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I like to get this checked out first, I have found issues using this that has led to quick fails so it's important this passes muster.

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  • Article size is about 33k, per WP:LEAD that should have 2-3 paragraphs in the lead, with a GA I would expect 3.
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  • 0.0% - probably because most of the sources are in Japanese Green tickY
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External links
  • The link to mitsui.co.jp in reference 3 is dead.

Well Written

  • "There are nine seats between two doors;" - moments later it stated it was reduced to 7 - so nine seats should be past tense.
  • "rolling stock and Mitsubishi Electric propulsion equipment was constructed" two subjects, should be "were constructed".
  • "darker-coloured" should be "darker coloured"
    • I rewrote this a little because the seats have no fabric. - Mailer Diablo 00:20, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
  • "The colour of seats in the driving trailer were changed" should be "was changed" since it refers to the color, not the seats and thus is singular.
  • "de-commissioned" should be "decommissioned"
  • "both set 301 and 302 is used" should be "are used"
  • " entirely with adhesive" - they covered with glue? I am not sure that's the right term, I would guess it's basically giant stickers right?
  • "giving a livery that" - how about "creating a livery that"?
    • Turns out better than I had expected, I suppose the peer review helped. All listed suggestions adopted. - Mailer Diablo 00:20, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

Broad in coverage

  • There is a 20 year gap in the history from delivery to refurbishment - Nothing at all on this period of time? I know it was probably relatively uneventful but they were in use right? Could we get something on the usage of those 20 years?
    • There were no major works between first delivery and the first refurbishment. However, there are minor events made along the way but they are classified under "Operational details" (1994, 1997, 1999). The major incident in 1993 was listed under "Major incidents", and it was the result of an external factor (oil spill). - Mailer Diablo 00:20, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

Neutral

  • The sentence "The incident caused a public outcry not seen since Michael P. Fay's caning;" is not covered by the sources and without attribution can appear to be a personal opinion, especially the "outcry not seen since" comparison.
  • Othern than the comment above it seems to be neutral, factual.

Sources/verifiable

  • What sort of rerefence is #21? it just has a title and a date - is it a book? Article?? either way it needs more info to identify it better.
    • It is a book. I've integrated the bottom reference into the reference itself. - Mailer Diablo 00:20, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Is it possible to get page indicators for the newspaper articles?
    • I've ran through every entry through my databases again, I've included page numbers where the two main newspaper databases is willing to provide me. Where it is not present, neither database included this information. - Mailer Diablo 00:20, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Is the reference at the bottom, without a number, actually used in the article or more of a "read more" type of thing?
    • Relates to the first question. - Mailer Diablo 00:20, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

Stable

  • I am not seeing any edit warring in the last year or so of edit history Green tickY

Illustrated / Images

  • All looks good, appropriate for the article and corrctly licensed. Green tickY
  • @Mailer Diablo: - I have completed my review so far, since I have a few things that need to be addressed i am putting this on hold for at least 7 days to allow updates to take place.  MPJ-US  19:53, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Thank you. Working on it now. - Mailer Diablo 23:13, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Hi MPJ-DK. Thanks for taking the time to review the article. Much appreciated! Above are my responses to your feedback. Please let me know on my talkpage if there is anything further that needs to be fixed. My schedule is not doing me a favour, but after mid-April if I have some extra time I will definitely take a look at your candidates. - Mailer Diablo 00:20, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Well that was a quick turnaround @Mailer diablo:. I am going to pass it, great work.  MPJ-US  05:03, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

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