Talk:Khepresh

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Dubious claims[edit]

"Amenhotep III was the first king whose is known to have worn the Blue Crown, as he is the first king to be depicted doing so." (...) "The crown did not disappear until the Kushite Dynasty (747 to 656 BCE), when it ceased to be depicted." Despite the sources these claims are somewhat dubious to me, since the use of the Khepresh is attested long before Amenhotep III and very long after the Kushite Dynasty: just for saying, a check in the Commons category will give pharaohs outside these ranges, wearing the khepresh such as Amenhotep II, Nectanebo II and an unnamed 30th-to-Ptolemaic Dynasty king. Khruner (talk) 17:34, 3 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I changed the text based on a journal article that goes into some detail about the crown's origins. It says the Blue Crown evolved from the cap crown in the early Eighteenth Dynasty and reached its full form in the time of Hatshepsut/Thutmose III. It also says that the Kushites abandoned the Blue Crown in favor of the original cap crown. The paper says nothing about the use of the Blue Crown after the Kushites, but I changed the wording in that part of the article, so it wouldn't state that the Blue Crown was never used again. A. Parrot (talk) 18:28, 3 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

More unsourced text[edit]

I removed the following from the article: "Another possibility is that the khepresh was woven like a basket, as the deshret (red crown) is known to have been, from plant fiber such as grass, straw, flax, palm leaf, or reed. The regular array of circles on painted and sculpted depictions of the crown may be an artistic approximation of the hexagonal holes in an open triaxial weave." This text was added two years ago by a user at IP address 2602:306:c428:1e00:38fc:8b8c:3850:d23a, without a source. Others have put "citation needed" tags on it, but I'm just removing it. As it's not wildly implausible, I'm copying it here in case a source can be found to support it. A. Parrot (talk) 17:10, 2 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]