Talk:Killing of Eric Harris

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On 21 November 2021, it was proposed that this article be moved from 2015 shooting of Eric Harris to Shooting of Eric Harris. The result of the discussion was moved.

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This article is not written to Wiki standards. As the case is ongoing, with very little information released thus far, all that exists here is a rehashing of events with the apparent goal to make the defendant look bad.

Honestly, I'm not entirely convinced that it shouldn't be scrapped and redone entirely. The Aftermath section alone is almost nothing but inflammatory quotes from media reports. Blisteringsilence (talk) 22:18, 8 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see any such "inflammatory" reports. It is what it is, unfortunately. - Cwobeel (talk) 00:46, 9 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

While that is certainly your opinion to hold, that doesn't negate the need for both tags you removed. I'm reverting them back up, until additional information is released in a formal setting, and can be added. This article is purely sourced from media reports, and last I checked, encyclopedias don't rely on quotes from the media. If you have an issue with either tag, please address them here. Blisteringsilence (talk) 01:32, 9 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that the Aftermath section seems extremely slanted. It is shaped primarily by quotes from Smolen, a man who's job as a lawyer is to be biased. I would lean toward an entire re-write of this section. Kjphill1977 (talk) 09:20, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 21 November 2021[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. There is consensus that dropping the year does not make the title ambiguous to Columbine High School massacre or Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold. There is some discussion about further moving this to "Killing of Eric Harris". That can continue to happen and someone my immediately propose that RM after my close. But I don't want to hold up this RM when consensus for dropping the year is clear. (non-admin closure) VR _talk 05:38, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

2015 shooting of Eric Harris → Shooting of Eric Harris – This would revert a bold move of 5 years ago. The year is not ordinarily included in similar article titles. There was another Eric Harris who was shot in a different year, but only after he shot other people, and it doesn't really seem necessary to include the year for disambiguation. The other Eric Harris was shot in 1999 – see Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold and Columbine High School massacre. Note that Eric Harris is a redirect to Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold#Eric Harris. Readers looking for information about the other Eric Harris would probably not look for it using "Shooting of Eric Harris". The proposed target name already redirects here, and there is already a hatnote about the other Eric Harris at the top of the article. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 18:06, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Tavix and Parsley Man: those involved in the moves of September & October 2016‎. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 18:11, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: Parsley Man is indef blocked as a sockpuppet of DisuseKid. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 01:58, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support, I don't think it's likely that "Shooting of Eric Harris" would be confused for the Columbine High School massacre, making the date disambiguation unnecessary. 162 etc. (talk) 22:46, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nomination and 162 etc. Even if there was consensus to create an analogous main title header for an article delineating the co-perpetrator of the Columbine High School massacre, the form for such a header would be "Suicide of Eric Harris", not "Shooting of Eric Harris". —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 22:55, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support I’m confident that someone typing this in the search bar are far more likely to be looking for this article than information of the suicide of one of the perpetrators of the Columbine High School massacre and the few that might can quickly find the info they need by using the hatnote.--67.70.100.169 (talk) 23:32, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support the proposed title Honestly, i think the better title for this article is Killing of Eric Harris per WP:DEATH due to fact that the was shot and killed (synonym fatally). 125.167.58.17 (talk) 00:46, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Move to Killing of Eric Harris as Harris died from the shooting. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 18:00, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I strongly prefer "Shooting of" over "Killing of", especially since the shooting of Harris was accidental. "Killing", when used as a noun, ordinarily implies deliberation or intent. For example the Collins Dictionary defines the noun meaning as "A killing is an act of deliberately killing a person." and the Lexico / Oxford Dictionaries definition for US English is "An act of causing death, especially deliberately." As the Wikipedia article about manslaughter (United States law) says, second-degree manslaughter is a form of "involuntary manslaughter which is an unintentional homicide", not an intentional killing. Also, per a comment by DeCausa at Talk:Death of Benito Mussolini, "in the English language, 'Killing of…' is an awkward, crude, clumsy and unencyclopedic term compared to 'Death of…'" —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 19:46, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Move to Killing of Eric Harris or similar back in December 2020, there are new guidelines that anyone shot by death (WP:DEATHS) should be named as Killing of.... no longer Assassination of..., Shooting of...., etc. regardless whether Killing of... Is unencyclopedic or not. 114.125.249.194 (talk) 22:16, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
WP:DEATHS is not a guideline. Right at the top of that page is a statement that says "This page is not one of Wikipedia's policies or guidelines, as it has not been thoroughly vetted by the community." —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 00:42, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.