Talk:Kim Jae-joong

Change "Hero" to "Kim Jaejoong"

I think it's misleading to have his biographical page to be referred to as "Hero" as that is a stage name he is known as in his South Korean activities. I think it would be better if the page is titled "Kim Jaejoong" which is the name that he is internationally known as. Articles written about him refer to him as Kim Jaejoong and rarely as Hero. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cocoberrychip (talk • contribs) 01:52, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Kim Jaejoong is the name that he is known as in the fandom of TVXQ and the K-pop world. Hero was chosen as the international name for him and is the one that appears on plenty of news articles. Per the common name guideline we use Hero and not Kim Jaejoong. MS (Talk|Contributions) 02:13, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

I agree with Cocoberrychip shouldn't it be changed to Kim Jaejoong especially since now he's in JYJ and usually referred to as Jaejoong, his real name. I think Hero was his name chosen for TVXQ? --211.31.238.13 (talk) 01:39, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Cocoberrychip too. Since this is afterall, a biography about Jaejoong and not just his onstage persona.--Libeika (talk) 03:53, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Overemphasis of "Han Jaejoon" in info boxes

Jaejoong's real, legal name is Kim Jaejoong, but the info boxes all overemphasize his birth name of Han Jaejoon and give the impression Kim Jaejoong is some kind of stage name. One even actually calls it his stage name. He was called Han Jaejoon for like 4 years and has been (and will be for the rest of this life) Kim Jaejoong for the other 20. Surely Wikipedia has a better format for handling names of people who are adopted as small children so as to emphasize who they /are/, not who they were 20 years ago. :) (I don't have a Wikipedia account anymore so there will be some sign fail for this comment. Sorry!) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.49.61.61 (talk) 13:18, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

I went ahead and change the infoboxes to make it clear his name is Kim Jaejoong. I moved his birthname down and put his actual name above it. And made a note that about his Birthname so it now says: "Han Jaejoon (later adopted and changed to Kim Jaejoong)". Hopefully, that removes the non-neutrality of this concern. oncamera^(t) 00:53, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

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Edit request on 4 January 2012

Please add this to the Awards of Kim Jaejoong: HOTTEST MALE ARTIST at the 2nd Philippine Kpop Awards 2010 HOTTEST MALE ARTIST at the 3rd Philippine Kpop Awards 2011

Kimlinheung (talk) 15:20, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

 Done--Jac16888 ^Talk 14:56, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Edit Request: Added Information on acting and solo works

Please edit: 1) Original: Best known as a member of the Korean pop group JYJ and one of the original members of TVXQ, he has branched out to act in dramas including Sunao ni Narenakute and Protect the Boss and in films such as Heaven's Postman.

Suggested edit: Best known as a member of the Korean pop group JYJ and one of the original members of TVXQ, he has branched out to act in dramas including Sunao ni Narenakute, Protect the Boss and Time Slip Dr. Jin, and in films such as Heaven's Postman.

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2) Under "Solo Singing Projects" Original: Jaejoong sang "Love" for the soundtrack of the movie "Heaven's Postman" in which he starred as the male lead. He also sang "Found You" and “For you It’s Separation, For me It’s Waiting” for the soundtrack of the television drama "Sungkyunkwan Scandal."

Suggested edit: Jaejoong sang "Love" for the soundtrack of the movie "Heaven's Postman" in which he starred as the male lead. He also sang "Found You" and “For you It’s Separation, For me It’s Waiting” for the soundtrack of the television drama "Sungkyunkwan Scandal, "I'll Protect You" for the soundtrack of the television drama "Protect the Boss", and "Living Like A Dream" for the soundtrack of the television Drama "Time Slip Dr. Jin"

Source - Dr. Jin soundtrack: Source - Protect the boss soundtrack:

3) Under Composing and songwriting Add: Lyricist -> I'll Protect You -> Protect the Boss Original Television Soundtrack Lyricist -> Living Like A Dream -> Dr. Jin OST Part 1 Source - Dr. Jin soundtrack: Source - Protect the boss soundtrack:

Suggested edit: Move to article "List of songs written by Jaejoong"

4) Under Acting Add: In 2012, he starred in his second television series in South Korea, "Time Slip Dr. Jin" with Song Seung Heon. He played the role of Kim Kyung Tak, a high ranking officer who is part of the police force of the Joseon Dynasty, an illegitimate son of then Joseon era's Prime Minister and his concubine, and was entangled in a love triangle with his childhood friend, Hong Young-rae, and the drama's main protagonist, Dr. Jin. Source: Ceskjj (talk) 02:27, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

• Request #1: Done with one caveat: The lead section is not meant to be an all-inclusive list of his television appearances, but since Dr. Jin is his most recent television credit I added a "most recently" to it. I also used "Dr. Jin" instead of "Time Slip Dr. Jin" because most reliable sources refer to it by the former name.
• Request #2: Done with minor formatting fixes. Same comment as above about Dr. Jin.
• Request #3: Not done:. The sources provided do not verify that Mr. Kim was lyricist on those songs.
• Request #4: Done with minor copy editing. Same comment as above about Dr. Jin.

Let me know if I missed anything. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 18:01, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Featured in huwiki

Please somebody put the {{Link FA|hu}} template. [1] 46.35.206.137 (talk) 15:19, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Other solo awards in 2013

Won BestMale Solo in KU Awards. Link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpDLwLeKBPQ&sns=tw — Preceding unsigned comment added by Asakusahime (talk • contribs) 08:16, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Edit Request

Please include information about the current drama "Triangle" which began airing on May 5, 2014. Kim Jaejoong plays Jang Dong Chul, the middle of three brothers who were separated at a young age and reunited many years later. Kim's character grew up on the streets and is now a crime boss using the alias Heo Young Dal.

Requested move 02 October 2014

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Jaejoong → Kim Jae-joong – This is a procedural listing on behalf of User:Odfshfujds who says the article should be placed at Kim Jae-joong instead. Unfortunately, said user has already performed a copy-and-paste move to do this and the histories will need to be merged in either case. As the page is protected, the move itself should be discussed first. Thank you. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 17:33, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

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• Support "Jaejoong" is his first and middle name, not his full name or a name he used for his activities. To avoid misleading, we support to rename the article "Jaejoong" and move to "Kim Jae-joong". For your easy reference, please see the following information.

• "Naver (김재중)".
• "KDrama Stars (JYJ)".
• "iTunes (Kim Jae Joong)".

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• Support Jaejoong is not his full name, to be official, it should be shown as his full name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Babyjae (talk • contribs) 18:53, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

babyjae (talk) 20:36, 02 Oct 2014 (UTC)

• Support This artist is well-known by his full name "Kim Jae-joong". "Jaejoong" is just his first name. When people seach on the internet, pages are always shown his full name. In fact, both of his twitter and Instagram's account are"Kim Jae joong".

• "Twitter (Kimjaejoong)".
• "Instagram (Kimjaejoong)". As a singer, his homepage in iTunes is also shown as"Kim Jaejoong". And all of his albums are printed the full name"Kim Jaejoong" on the cover.

-Jeje1018jj (talk) 21:03, 02 Oct 2014 (UTC)

• Comment English-language WP:RS in South Korea mostly use Kim Jae-joong (with family name & hyphen in given name), but English-language WP:RS in other countries where Korean music is popular heavily prefer Jaejoong (with neither family name nor hyphen in given name). Broader Google results (which, of course, are almost all blogs, webforums, and other unreliable sources) lean heavily towards Jaejoong also. See collapsed table below with analysis. 61.10.165.33 (talk) 03:57, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

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South Korean newspapers Source Kim Jae-joong Kim Jaejoong Jae-joong without Kim Jaejoong without Kim Yonhap 2,550 1 1 3 Chosun Ilbo 18 2 2 0 Korea Times 301 0 262 3 JoongAng Ilbo 83 5 3 2 Korea Herald 131 23 6 91 Foreign newspapers Source Kim Jae-joong Kim Jaejoong Jae-joong without Kim Jaejoong without Kim Manila Bulletin 0 18 0 69 Lollipop (Singapore Press Holdings) 18 7 0 118 Other English news sources I tried to search, but which resulted in zero or near-zero numbers of hits, included Hankyoreh, Channel News Asia, The Star (Malaysia), South China Morning Post, The Standard (Hong Kong), Times of India, Bangkok Post, The Nation (Thailand), Japan Times, The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, BBC, Bloomberg News, and Reuters. 61.10.165.33 (talk) 03:57, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

• Support - per WP:SINGLENAME "Similarly, don't use a first name (even if unambiguous) for an article title if the last name is known and fairly often used." Evaders99 (talk) 04:24, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Discussion

• Hopefully, we can get some comments from knowledgeable and experienced wiki-editors, too, rather than editors with brand new accounts, two of whom have 1 or 2 edits only in this discussion. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 15:26, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

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Birthday

It's been listed in the article (Early Life) that his birthday is February 4, 1986 according to his biological mother... but his birthday is currently listed as January 26, 1986 in the sidebar though. Just wondering... which birthday should we really use in the sidebar?

Thanks...

Tibbydibby (talk) 19:20, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

"TVXQ" should be corrected. The group was known as DBSK (Dong Bang Shin Ki 동방신기). They were only called TVXQ (Tong Vfang Xien Qi (東方神起) in China and Tohoshinki (東方神起) in Japan. All translate to "Rising Gods of the East". After the DBSK split in 2008-2009, only Yunho and Changmin stayed with SM Entertainment and now perform under the TVXQ name.Charisma501 (talk) 01:17, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Nope. The group is called TVXQ. It is irrelevant how it was called 5 years ago. SM Entertainment's own official website lists them as TVXQ and not as DBSK. DBSK has always been an informal latin alphabet abbreviation of the romanized Korean Dongbangshingi. These four letters have never been an official name of the band, they have not released any albums with the spelling DBSK but they did with TVXQ. Teemeah ^{편지 (letter)} 11:44, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Edit Request on Feb 26, 2016

Please edit the name of WWW repackage album to 화장을 지우다 (Erase Make-Up). http://www.kpopstarz.com/articles/72966/20140110/jyj-jaejoong-releases-repackage-album-featuring-new-song.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by Noinia (talk • contribs) 15:07, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 24 August 2020

Can someone add the 2017 award Jaejoong won at the 31st Golden Disk Awards? He won the "Most Popular Star of Asia" award (also called "Most Popular Asia Artist"). Source: https://www.ibtimes.co.in/golden-disc-awards-2017-complete-winners-list-712252 MKhan1315 (talk) 22:50, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

 Done. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 13:24, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 August 2020

Can someone who has authorization and knows how Wikipedia works please add these awards for Jaejoong

2018 Cosmo beauty awards (Twinkling Beauty Idol Award) (https://www.kpopmap.com/jaejoong-wins-the-twinkling-beauty-idol-award-at-2018-cosmo-beauty-awards/)

2019 Busan International Film Festival’s Asia content awards (excellence award) (https://www.forbes.com/sites/joanmacdonald/2019/10/06/kim-jae-joong-wins-excellence-award-kim-nam-gil-a-best-actor/#6ba39f4e7a03) Asian New Chart Awards (Most Popular Foreign Singer) (https://www.hellokpop.com/news/kim-jae-joong-wins-most-popular-foreign-singer-award-at-the-2019-asian-new-chart-awards/) 13th Asian Film Awards (Next Generation Star Award) (https://www.whatthekpop.com/2019/03/18/kim-jaejoong-park-seo-joon-and-more-bag-awards-at-13th-asian-film-awards/) 61st Japan Record Awards Planning award (Love Covers) (https://rockinon.com/news/detail/190578) The Fact Music Awards (Fan N Star Hall of Fame) (https://www.kpopmap.com/the-fact-music-awards-tma-2019-winners-and-results/) 2020 Japan’s 34th Gold Disk Awards: Best 3 Albums (Asia) for Love Covers (https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/article/article.aspx?aid=3074360) MKhan1315 (talk) 03:16, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

•  Done: BIFF, AFA, JRA, GDA
•  Not done: Cosmo Beauty Awards, Asian New Chart Awards, The Fact Music Awards - list entries must be notable. Also see WP:INDISCRIMINATE. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 14:07, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 20 September 2020

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The result of the move request was: Consensus to not move. (closed by non-admin page mover) SITH (talk) 13:34, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

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Kim Jae-joong → Jaejoong – He is best known as Jaejoong, beginning as a (former) member of TVXQ. Two members of that group also use their mononyms, Changmin and Yunho for their articles. At the very least, the article should be renamed Kim Jaejoong without the hyphen (per the talkpage for bandmate Kim Junsu, which had a similar move discussion a couple of years ago). oncamera 21:36, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

• Suppport per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 00:34, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose. There are certainly sources that give this name in the current form. See "Kim Jae-joong to Begin Military Service Late March" in Chosun Ilbo. 3K008P9 (talk) 10:25, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Kim Jae-joong is, to my knowledge, most commonly used in English Language reliable sources. Alex (talk) 10:37, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose. The subject is largely referred to as Kim Jae-joong over Jaejoong, as seen in The Korea Herald [2], Yonhap News [3], The Korea Times [4], Korea JoongAng Daily [5], Reuters [6], The Jakarta Post [7], South China Morning Post [8], etc. Per WP:NCUE, the article title should reflect the most common usage in reliable sources. ƏXPLICIT 11:24, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

@3K008P9:, @Alexanderlee:, @Explicit: News sources such as the New York Times, Washington Post, and even Korean papers such as the Korean Herald use the Jaejoong spelling. A number of his official albums also Jaejoong, never the spelling Jae-Joong. His official Twitter uses kimjaejoong. Looking at the Chosun Ilbo, it seems they include the hyphen on every Korean ame. oncamera 11:31, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Most Korean biographies on Wikipedia use the hyphenated format per WP:NCKO#Given name. In accordance with WP:COMMONNAME, the current article title should prevail. ƏXPLICIT 11:54, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

His bandmates do not use the hyphen on their articles as I stated in my initial request. I don't understand why his article can't use the spelling he uses on his official goods, WP:COMMON NAME overrides the artist? Also, I see someone recently tried to move the Changmin and Yunho to this standard that Wikipedia uses, but it was reverted by @Alexanderlee:. Why oppose this name change while also reverting those articles from having this hyphenated practice pushed on them? That's inconsistency in practice and voting. I think the users who opposed should reconsider their vote. oncamera 12:07, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

@Oncamera: I reverted those changes because they were not not discussed or explained, and that editor has already been asked to discuss before they move articles. I’ve stated my reason for opposing this change, and thanks for the suggestion but my vote is still the same. Alex (talk) 14:49, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

To add to this, he hasn't been a member of TVXQ for about a decade now, so they are no longer his bandmates. From JYJ, none of their articles are named mononymously; we have Kim Junsu and Park Yoo-chun. Alex (talk) 15:06, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

@Alexanderlee: I don't think it matters how long he has been away from that group. It's his origins of his fame. Again, I stated in the initial comments that Kim Junsu's page does not use the hyphen. And you even voted on that discussion to move the page to his stage name! Again, more inconsistency. oncamera 15:12, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Yes, because in English language sources, Junsu is most commonly referred to without the hyphen while Jaejoong is not. What I voted for two years ago was also not what the outcome was, and people's opinions change and they learn more, too. And, what works for one article does not work for all articles. Alex (talk) 15:14, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Your vote was to move the page from Kim Junsu → Xia (singer), his stage name. Jaejoong is his stage name here. Just pointing out the inconsistency when this hyphen standard is applied and when it's not. On September 19, 2020 the articles for Changmin → Shim Chang-min and Yunho → Jung Yun-ho were changed and then reverted by you, back to their stage names, which seems to show you still support those pages using their stagenames. Yet that standard can't be applied here? Even if it was an undiscussed move, your logic being used here would support those pages being named to the standardized hyphen version. oncamera 15:22, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

@Oncamera: no, my logic would use what is most commonly used in English Language sources, as stated above. The move discussion on Kim Junsu was two years ago, and as stated, opinions change in that time and we learn more. Reverting an undiscussed move is just that, and it has nothing to do with this discussion so please stop trying to use other stuff to change my opinion. Alex (talk) 15:36, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

@Oncamera: I don't understand why his article can't use the spelling he uses on his official goods, WP:COMMON NAME overrides the artist? Yes, see WP:OFFICIALNAME. If you're going to argue about an official name, your nomination doesn't support it as he currently goes by J-Jun. ƏXPLICIT 23:57, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose - I still oppose based on intent of WP:MONONYM and consistency with other Korean artist names. Most stage names are in the form of "Group-name's First-name" and not true pseudonyms. The limited number of distinct Korean names and limited English exposure outside press releases makes this the easiest common disambiguation. Evaders99 (talk) 23:25, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 26 September 2020

Please, change "On April 1, 2020 during the COVID-19 pandemic in South Korea, Kim posted on his Instagram account claiming that he has tested positive for COVID-19." for "On April 1, 2020 during the COVID-19 pandemic in South Korea, Kim posted on his Instagram account claiming that he has tested positive for COVID-19, highlighting that it was due to his carelessness and negligence of the government's safety instructions." because current one is vague about the real nature of Kim Jaejoong's Instagram post. The source for the part above should be changed from "https://bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-52117797" to "https://allkpop.com/article/2020/04/jyjs-jaejoong-personally-reveals-hes-been-hospitalized-with-covid19" because the current linked source contains untrue informations such as the statement that Kim Jaejoong later confirmed that the post was supposed to be a prank and that the artist has a long history of pranking his fans, when his only previous prank was the faint during his concert, something that several other idols already did including on live TV. The article to replace it contains the translation of Kim Jaejoong's Instagram post, therefore being a more accurate source for the fact referenced in the sentence in question.

Please, change "Kim later posted an apology on his Instagram that the diagnosis was not true, which drew outrage from fans." for "Kim later posted an apology on his Instagram that the diagnosis was not true, explaining his reasoning for the initial post was to raise awareness of the dangers of the virus, noting he personally knows individuals who have been infected and his father recently underwent lung cancer surgery, in response to the outraged netizens who got carried away by medias and tabloids which portrayed this whole incident as an April's fool day joke without trying to clarify the real purpose behind his post.", because the current text, again, does not contain enough information about Kim's later clarification and lies about the source of the online reaction toward his Instagram post, which did not come from fans' part. The source for this second part also must be changed from "https://nytimes.com/2020/04/01/world/asia/jaejoong-jyj-coronavirus-prank.html" to "https://n.news.naver.com/entertain/article/416/0000257110", since it mentions that C-JES, Kim's company, contacted the website "Allkpop" to tell their position, when "Allkpop" only translated the informations from Korean tabloids. They also stated that Jaejoong affirmed his post to be a prank, which is not the truth according to all his pronouncements about the matter.

Please, change "He further explained his reasoning for the initial post was to raise awareness of the dangers of the virus, noting he personally knows individuals who have been infected and his father recently underwent lung cancer surgery." for "Jaejoong's fans later, reached out to Korean media to inform about the real intentions behind Jaejoong's controversial post, pointing out that he's been one of the first Korean celebrities to make multiple donations to fight againt the COVID-19 outbreak along with sharing many previous sensibilizing posts on his SNS about the pandemic.", because it doesn't mention that Jaejoong had made several previous attempts to raise awareness about COVID-19 on his Social Medias, making it seem that his post in question was a single and random action. Also, please, change the source "https://people.com/music/jaejoong-coronavirus-diagnosis-prank-apology/" for "https://allkpop.com/article/2020/04/kim-jaejoong-participates-in-donating-masks-to-medical-institutions-to-prevent-the-healthcare-collapse-due-to-coronavirus-controversy-cleared" Jaejoongaa (talk) 01:18, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

None of the sources will be changed to Allkpop, it is not considered a reliable source. Alex (talk) 05:44, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

 Partly done. I've done a little rewording, but to add more would be too much detail. As mentioned above, Allkpop is not considered reliable (WP:KO/RS). Your suggest text also has WP:NPOV concerns. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 09:28, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 October 2020

Can Jaejoong's appearance in PurpleBeck's "Dream Line" music video in 2019 be added to the music video appearances section? (Music video is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ok_XE0v2HhM). It was reuploaded in 2020 but the original MV date is on the opening shot of the music video. MKhan1315 (talk) 16:10, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

 Not done I have removed the MV appearances section, as it is essentially guesting, which is irrelevant to the encyclopedia. Abdotorg (talk) 16:16, 2 October 2020 (UTC)