Talk:King of the Ring (2015)

Remove Results table? Merge back into the main article?

Unlike other King of the Ring events, there were no non-tournament matches that were featured. So should the tables of results be removed and leave only the bracket. Also, should this page even exist as a whole. Should this event fall in line with the other non-PPV featured tournaments as shown on the main King of the Ring article under non-PPV events? retched (talk) 15:02, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

We should merge with the Main article. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 17:08, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Merger proposal

I propose that King of the Ring (2015) be merged into King of the Ring. I think that the content in the King of the Ring (2015) article can easily be explained in the context of King of the Ring, and the King of the Ring article is of a reasonable size that the merging of King of the Ring (2015) will not cause any problems as far as article size or undue weight is concerned. Additionally, I feel there is no addition purpose to having the two pages separated in such a manner. The size of the 2015 page doesn't warrant a separate page for the event. Instead, I feel that the page should be deleted, its content moved back into the King of the Ring (main page) and that the coverage be expanded slightly. retched (talk) 19:20, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

• Support --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 14:57, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
• Unlike other years, though, there was an actual King of the Ring event in 2015, in the form of a WWE Network special. In that regard it is akin to the prior KotR PPV events, even if there were no non-tournament matches on the event broadcast. Hell, considering that so many (possibly most) PPV viewers now watch via the Network (at least in the U.S., where its just a ton cheaper), it is practically a PPV. As such, I oppose the merge because PPVs get their own articles. oknazevad (talk) 18:12, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Here's where the problem is with that line of thinking. Each of the previous King of the Ring Tournaments were given full PPV treatment, because it was a PPV. Complete with breakdowns, analysis, and even storyline aftermaths. This even includes the 2006 tournament that was held with the PPV finals being held at Judgment Day. This page (King of the Ring (2015), is nothing more than a snub page at best. If you take away the table of results (which I'm contemplating on doing since only the event's semifinals and final round matches were aired on the Network and not the first round matches), all you see is a one-paragraph page containing a bracket. No one is arguing that the tournament and event of 2015 is a PPV-quality event. I completely agree it is a PPV. However, the event coverage itself is too small and there is nothing noteworthy to expand upon it. (The WWE literally spawned the tournament on a last minute basis and say "Hey we're doing King of the Ring again after a 5-year break." Sure Dolph Ziggler is now feuding with King Barrett, okay... and what? They were doing this before the event happened. There isn't anything more to discuss with it. Following the same mechanics of Wikipedia as a whole, this article should be merged in. retched (talk) 17:39, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Like a PPV - yet lacking one crucial thing - it was not offered as a PPV at all. the other events with their own article are also offered as a PPV - this was a 1 hour special. Should Sheamus Vs. Ruseve get it's own article? Heck by that logic every Raw in the Attitude era should have their own article, they're on the network so they're "practically" PPVs. Except they're not  MPJ -US  16:53, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

• Support, this event was more like the pre-PPV events than anything else.  MPJ -US  16:50, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose per Oknazevad. TrueCRaysball | ^#RaysUp 19:54, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose — Preceding unsigned comment added by Edge4life42 (talk • contribs) 21:46, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose Here's the way I see it. The non-televised King Of The Ring events (1985-1989, 1991) don't need their own page because they were house shows. The 1993-2002 King Of The Ring shows all aired on PPV so obviously they need their own pages. 2006, 2008 and 2010 don't need their own pages because they were just special episodes of SmackDown and Raw, although I don't mind either way if they have their own page or not. 2015 does need it's own page because it was a televised event all on its own. It wasn't a special SmackDown or Raw episode and it aired live on WWE Network. The rules have changed with the Network now. Any one-off(non-weekly) show that airs live on the Network that features wrestling matches that were hyped in advance are included in the list of WWE Network events chronology and should have their own page. Merging KOTR 2015 with the other non-televised KOTR events does not make sense. And it doesn't matter that KOTR 2015 was only an hour and didn't have a long build up. The fact is it was its own event. OldSkool01 (talk) 20:45, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
  • If we're going with that, this page has to be expanded then. There is literally nothing of note. I'm not going off of the fact that it was a Network special that it should get merged back in, I'm basing the request to push it back to the main page off the fact that there is nothing on this page. Every one of the events you mentioned has expanded coverage, some days afterward. Here we are almost a month later and there is nothing. Nothing of note happened during the tournament (other pages would be labeled as "Background"), nothing of note happened AFTER the tournament (other pages would be labeled as "Aftermath"), and there is nothing announced for the winner of the tournament (much like when Brock Lesnar won he became #1 Contender for the WWE Championship). So here we are with a bracket, a stub of a description of a page, and nothing else. This is my reason for requesting it be merged in. Defending by saying that the event is a PPV isn't enough. retched (talk) 17:00, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose Televised vs. untelevised doesn't matter. Very little of what has been discussed above matters. The only thing that matters is whether it could have enough reliable references to establish notability. It meets this threshold, so it can stand on its own. GaryColemanFan (talk) 16:09, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
  • So two references is enough to sustain it on its own? In that case, why don't we go back and take each non-PPV and put it into its own separate pages? retched (talk) 15:46, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
• Neutral/Weak Oppose I don't have a stake in this, though I do think it should remain a seperate article since it was a seperate event that took place on the network. However I can understand why it would be put up for consideration for merge since it was only on for an hour and wasn't a conventional ppv. So I oppose, though I understand the consideration. --FaithLehaneTheVampireSlayer 04:30, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose per Oknazevad. TheTMOBGaming2 (talk) 15:07, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
• Support on grounds that it fails GNG. Only two WP:RS provided and one of them is a primary source. Merge 2006, 2008 and 2010 tournaments while we're at it too.LM2000 (talk) 02:22, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose It is good enough to have its own article. This was the 2015 KOTR and had its own PPV special event on the network, much like other specials that have their own pages. Every other KOTR has its own article, and the previous few didnt even have their own event. 207.119.113.75 (talk) 21:57, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose It was a WWE Network special event - similar to Elimnation Chamber and Beast in the East - thus it's worthy of it's own article. Vjmlhds (talk) 13:58, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

• Strong Oppose It was its own event and the King of the Ring is a notable tournament in itself. Its good enough for its own article BlackDragon 22:49, 29 August 2015 (UTC)