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A fact from Kirk Raymond Jones appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 3 February 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Kirk Raymond Jones became the first person to survive going over Niagara Falls without safety equipment, then died after going over it again in an inflatable ball?

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Did you know nomination[edit]

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 18:45, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Kirk Raymond Jones became the first person to survive going over Niagara Falls without safety equipment, then died going over it again with safety equipment? Source: O'Brien, John (June 15, 2017). "Kirk Jones, who survived historic Niagara Falls plunge, dies in return 14 years later". The Post-Standard. Retrieved December 14, 2023.
- ALT1: ... that Kirk Raymond Jones attempted to go over Niagara Falls with his pet boa constrictor? Source: Reilly, Ed (December 18, 2020). "Unclaimed by family, daredevil's remains get a final resting spot in Niagara Falls". WKBW-TV. Retrieved January 1, 2023. & "Snake may have joined man in fatal Niagara Falls stunt". The Detroit News. Associated Press.
- Reviewed: ‍N/A (5th nomination)‍

Moved to mainspace by Queen of Hearts (talk). Self-nominated at 18:57, 1 January 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Kirk Raymond Jones; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: That is definitely an interesting hook. It's cited, the article is neutral and doesn't seem to have any problems with copyvio. There's some similar phrasing but that's mostly for place names and charges, which can't really be rephrased. Nice job! The only problems are with sourcing. The birth date doesn't seem to have a source, if you're calculating using age at death, the sources with his age should be used. The sources about his interest in Niagara only state that he was interested in it for years, not that it began in childhood so that should be rephrased. BuySomeApples (talk) 01:45, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@BuySomeApples: the very first sentence of footnote 3, which is sourced in the "Early life" section, says Kirk Jones, 40, of Canton, Michigan. But good spot on the "since childhood" thing, I'll reword that. ^Queen of _Hearts 01:50, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know how I missed that! Thank you for rephrasing the age. Once that's done this should be ready. BuySomeApples (talk) 01:53, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@BuySomeApples: Done, changed "since childhood" to "for many years". ^Queen of _Hearts 01:58, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Awesome! This nom looks ready then. I'm leaning towards ALT0 because technically it's unclear whether he had the snake with him, but both are good imo since they can be sourced. BuySomeApples (talk) 02:02, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@BuySomeApples and Queen of Hearts: In the article, I do not understand this sentence "... leaving behind a note in Krueger's car telling his family and friends to move along alongside the remaining 30 dollars." It would also be nice to have more about the man, right now the entire article is about his stunts rather than biography. I do like ALT0. Bruxton (talk) 23:31, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Bruxton: I copyedited that sentence so it's a little easier to parse. I agree that it would be nice to add more info about him if it can be sourced. BuySomeApples (talk) 02:18, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks BSA for the copyedit. I personally don't think this is a super pressing issue for just DYK, but I'll see what I can do later today. ^Queen of _Hearts 05:52, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Queen of Hearts which source specifies that the "large inflatable ball" was intended as safety equipment? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 22:30, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@AirshipJungleman29: yeah, I guess that is OR. In which case:

ALT0a: ... that Kirk Raymond Jones became the first person to survive going over Niagara Falls without safety equipment, then died going over it again in an inflatable ball? Source: O'Brien, John (June 15, 2017). "Kirk Jones, who survived historic Niagara Falls plunge, dies in return 14 years later". The Post-Standard. Retrieved December 14, 2023.

PS. I totally forgot about this, so thanks for the nudge. ^Queen of _Hearts 23:15, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sources - some may be duplicative[edit]

@Queen of Hearts and BuySomeApples: I was trying to scare up details about the person's biography. Also his birth year which I think we can definitively state was 1963 edit: or not.

Find a Grave is on our list of unreliable sources but in this case there is an image of his headstone showing he was born in 1963. He is buried in Oakwood Cemetery (Niagara Falls, New York). Since we have trouble using that source here is an article with a photo of the headstone showing his birth year: I archived it to get past the paywall. Reading further I see that his friends say he was born in 62. Body was unclaimed at the morgue for four months. Might be some useful info in there. Bruxton (talk) 23:17, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here are a few other articles

Times Herald.

The Kingston Whig-Standard

The Pantagraph

Many articles are AP so they are just reprints. I think this article will do well on DYK, but my only concern was our article lacked information about the person.

Bruxton (talk) 16:38, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for finding these sources. I've been busy with real life, but I'll add info from these sources. ^Queen of _Hearts 01:14, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nice work @Bruxton: this will definitely improve the article. It would be kinda bleak if it didn't have anything about who he was as a person. BuySomeApples (talk) 04:16, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]