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Kosovo Polje is not a city, is a part of Pristina. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.182.235.87 (talk • contribs) 09:43, 17 April 2005 (UTC)

Unitet Naticion Law in Kosovo

The user of the city names in English Language (newer version from the UN liable pilari in Kosovo for such think )

http://www.osce.org/kosovo/13982.html

The original page of the Law (1. in albanian L., 2.Serbian L.)

The UN Law in Kosovo says that the only oficele name are the names presentit in >A< every thinks als is out of Law. This is for albanian language.

RREGULLORe NR. 2000/43
UNMIK/REG/2000/43
27 korrik 2000
Mbi numrin, emrat dhe kufinjtë e komunave
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Përfaqësuesi Special i Sekretarit të Përgjithshëm,
Në pajtim me autorizimin e tij të dhënë me rezolutën 1244 (1999) të datës 10 qershor 1999 të
Këshillit të Sigurimit të Kombeve të Bashkuara,
Duke marrë parasysh Rregulloren nr. 1999/1 të datës 25 korrik 1999, të ndryshuar, të
Misionit të Administratës së Përkohshme të Kombeve të Bashkuara në Kosovë (UNMIK)
mbi autorizimin e Administratës së
Përkohshme në Kosovë dhe Rregulloren Nr. 1999/24 të datës 12 dhjetor 1999 të UNMIK-ut
mbi ligjin në fuqi në Kosovë,
Me qëllim të qartësimit të numrit, emrave, shtrirja dhe kufinjve të komunave para mbajtjes
së zgjedhjeve komunale në Kosovë,
Shpall sa vijon:
Neni 1
Numri dhe emrat e komunave
Kosova ka tridhjetë komuna ashtu siç figurojnë në Tabelën ‘A’ të kësaj rregulloreje.
Komunikimi zyrtar nuk përmban asnjë emër për ndonjë komunë i cili nuk figuron në Tabelën ‘A’
të kësaj rregulloreje, përveç që në ato komuna ku komunitetet etnike a gjuhësore joshqiptare
dhe joserbe përbëjnë një pjesë substanciale, emrat e komunave jepen edhe në gjuhët e
atyre komuniteteve.
Neni 2
Shtrirja dhe kufinjtë e komunave
Shtrirja e çdo komune dhe kufinjtë e tyre skicohen nga zonat e tyre përbërëse kadastrale.
Zonat kadastrale të cilat përbëjnë çdo komunë figurojnë në Tabelën ‘B’ të kësaj rregulloreje.
Neni 3
Zbatimi
Përfaqësuesi Special i Sekretarit të Përgjithshëm mund të lëshojë direktiva administrative
në lidhje me zbatimin e kësaj rregulloreje.
Neni 4
Ligji i zbatueshëm
Kjo rregullore mbulon çdo dispozitë në ligjin e zbatueshëm e cila nuk është në përputhje me të.
Neni 5
Hyrja në fuqi
Kjo rregullore hyn në fuqi më 27 korrik 2000.
Bernard Kouchner
Përfaqësuesi Special i Sekretarit të Përgjithshëm

The UN Law in Kosovo says that the only oficele name are the names presentit in >A< every thinks als is out of Law. This is for serbian language.

UREDBA BR. 2000/43
UNMIK/URED/2000/43
27. jul 2000. godine
O BROJU, IMENIMA I GRANICAMA OP[TINA
Specijalni predstavnik Generalnog sekretara,
Shodno ovla{}ewu koje mu je dato Rezolucijom Saveta bezbednosti Ujediwenih
nacija 1244 (1999) od 10. juna 1999. godine,
Na osnovu Uredbe br. 1999/1 od 25. jula 1999. godine Privremene
administrativne misije Ujediwenih nacija na Kosovu (UNMIK), sa izmenama i
dopunama, o ovla{}ewima Privremene uprave na Kosovu i na osnovu Uredbe
UNMIK-a br. 2000/24 od 12. decembra 2000. godine o zakonu koji je u primeni na
Kosovu, <u>(hier is oficele user)</u>
U ciqu razja{wavawa broja, imena, oblasti i granica op{tina pre odr`avawa
op{tinskih izbora na Kosovu,
Ovim objavquje slede}e:
Clan 1
BROJ I IMENA OPSTINA
1.1 Kosovo ima trideset opstina kao sto je dato u Tabeli '''A''' u dodatku ovoj
Uredbi.
1.2 Zvani~na komunikacija ne mo`e da sadrzi bilo koje ime za opstinu koje
nije naziv odredjen u Tabeli A ove Uredbe, osim u onim opstinama gde etni~ke i
jezi~ke zajednice, koje nisu srpske i albanske ~ine znatan deo stanovni{tva, gde
se imena op{tina daju i na jezicima tih zajednica.
Clan 2
PODRU^JA I GRANICE OP[TINA
Podru~je svake op{tine i wene granice su ocrtane wenim sastavnim
katastarskim zonama. Katastarske zone koje ~ine svaku op{tinu su odre|ene u
Tabeli B prilo`enoj u dodatku ovoj Uredbi.
Clan 3
PRIMENA
Specijalni predstavnik Generalnog sekretara mo`e da donese administrativno
uputstvo u vezi sa primenom ove Uredbe.
Clan 4
ZAKON KOJI JE U PRIMENI
Ova Uredba zamewuje svaku odredbu zakona koji je u primeni a koja nije saglasna
sa wom.
Clan 5
STUPAWE NA SNAGU
Ova Uredba stupa na snagu 27. jula 2000. godine.
Bernar Ku{ner
Specijalni predstavnik Generalnog sekretara

tabel of contens >A<

TABELA ‘A’ (alb) RASPORED A (ser.)
Emrat e komunave (alb.)IMENA OPSTINA (serb)
Albanski Srpski
01 Deçan \Decani
02 Gjakovë \Djakovica
03 Gllogovc \Glogovac
04 Gjilan \Gnilane
05 Dragash \Dragas
06 Istog \Istok
07 Kaçanik \Kacanik
08 Klinë\ Klina
09 Fushë Kosovë\ Kosovo Polje
10 Kamenicë \Kamenica
11 Mitrovicë \Kosovska Mitrovica
12 Leposaviq \Leposavic
13 Lipjan \Lipqan
14 Novobërdë \Novo Brdo
15 Obiliq \Obilic
16 Rahovec\ Orahovac
17 Pejë\ Pec
18 Podujevë\ Podujevo
19 Prishtinë \Pristina
20 Prizren \Prizren
21 Skenderaj\ Srbica
22 Shtime\ Stimqe
23 Shtërpcë\ Strpce
24 Suharekë\ Suva Reka
25 Ferizaj \Urosevac
26 Viti \Vitina
27 Vushtrri\ Vucitrn
28 Zubin Potok \Zubin Potok
29 Zveçan\ Zvecan
30 Malishevë\ Malisevo

If sambody have a argument Im waitting. In another cases you are going to interpret the dokumets (you are out of UN Law) and you dont have argumet, you dont work for Wikipedia but are destroing the Wikipedia image. I know that my english is not so gut, but a desinformation is not gut for Wikipedia and for the peopel in Kosovo. You can have a problem with "Haage". This tabel is speeken better then I.--Hipi Zhdripi 21:00, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

No argumet

No argumet!!! please dont inteprete the documents

Sombody have putit this Kosovo place in Serbia stub or category or template here with out argumet. We dont have a argumet that Kosovo is part of S/M. We have tha Constitution of this countrie but we have the rez. 1244 wich is more importen for the Wikipedia and is saying that Kosovo it is a part of Yougoslavia and is prototoriat of UN. Till we dont have a clearly argument from UN, aricel about Kosovo must be out of this stub or category or template. Pleas dont make the discution with intepretation or the Law wich are not accordin to 1244. Everybodoy can do that but that is nothing for Wikipedia.--Hipi Zhdripi 04:59, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Name

I will pu the official name on brackets"()"--Bindicapriqi (talk) 15:48, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Unitet Naticion Law in Kosovo and Wikipedia

Before two years, I have presented the argument. In thate time it was clear, thate, Serbia with or without Kosovo, is going to be part of Europe Card for citys names. And Europ Card for citys names (komuna) is adopted from Kosovar Govermend. My dier friends in English Wikipedia, you are maken not a litel problem, but with all information, you are changen the oficial names of the citys in Kosovo.

You have taket the Serbial Law or some imagenedet rouls, als more importen thane UN Law. English Wikipedia is not working/existing under the Serbian Law, but under UN Law. Don´t be wondering if somebody is acusing the English Wikipedia for anti-UN propaganda and "spaming" desinformation to the internet iusers.

The mandat of UN in Kosovo is hight livel thane Serbian Law - witch since the UNMIK is in Kosovo, dont exist anymore for Kosovo.

You are working agains the Kosovo Law
You are working agains the Europen Card for city names
You are working agains the UNMIK - Law
You are working agains the UN - Law

The LAW of Kosovo, Eropen, UNMIK and UN, thate I have presented here before two years nobady diden respect.

Becose of this I acuse you for desinformations and working aganis this LAWS, and with you works here you are helping to destabisate the sitution in Balkan. DON SAY THAT YOUR HANDS ARE CLEAR, DONT BE PART OF PROPAGANDA WITCH MOTIVAT THE PRIMITIV PEOPEL, PLEASE REPECT THE UN - LAW

THE SYS. AND ADMINISTRATORS OF ENGLISH WIKIPEDIA HAVE RESPOSIBLITI TO STOP MAKEN WIKIPEDIA AS PART OF PROPAGANDA WITCH MOTIVATE PRIMITIV PEOPEL.

SINCE 2 YEARS, ENGLISH WIKIPEDIA WITH NOT RESPECTING THE UN LAW, IS HELPING IN DESTABILSATION OF THE BALKAN REGION. - Hipi Zhdripi —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.70.183.85 (talk) 00:26, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the proposal was no move at this time per WP:COMMONNAME. JPG-GR (talk) 22:36, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Kosovo Polje → Fushë Kosovë — After the declaration of Independence the circumstances in Kosovo have changed, Kosovo is now a place with albanian as the primary language, also if you google Fushë Kosovë you get 1,270,000 results, wihile Kosovo Polje gives only 165,000 -- C D 17:18, 8 July 2008 (UTC) — C D 17:18, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Survey

Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.

Oppose ' Kosovo Polje is linked to Serbian history and has nothing to do with Albanian history. Kosovo declaration of independence is at present unilateral. The United Nations has not yet recognized it nor have many other countries, in any case not Serbia. There is no reason for Wikipedia to take parts in this conflict. For the time being, despite support from some countries, Kosovo is legally just a breakaway province of Serbia.Afil (talk) 20:59, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Support - This article is not about Serbian History, it is about a municipality in Kosovo, you may have additional articles for the serbian historical location, something like Kosovo Polje (History) or Kosovo Polje (Historical location, but please understand that this article is not about serbian history, respectfully -- C D 21:12, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Oppose - 729 vs. 11 on Google Books for Kosovo Polje; 131,000 vs. 41,400 on Google; 46,100 vs. 2,330 on Google restricted to English. "Kosovo Polje" is used by Britannica too. Its use predominates in English-language sources, so keep here. Biruitorul ^Talk 20:39, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Any additional comments:

Support I agree with CD. 80.78.70.202 (talk) 20:29, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Oppose "Kosovo Polje" remains more common in English sources, unlike "Fushë Kosovë" which is still a long way before attaining widespread usage in the English language. In fact, a Yahoo! search reveals almost ten times more hits for "Kosovo Polje" than for "Fushë Kosovë". Hús ö nd 22:27, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Use in English language texts is what is important in these decisions, not the declaration of independence and its recognition - see WP:OFFICIALNAMES. Husond's and Biruitorul's evidence is relevant and persuasive. Knepflerle (talk) 22:13, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Support - It may be a fact that Google Search Pages with the terms 'Kosovo Polje' outnumber the relevant Search pages with the Albanian name, but that does not constitute an argument for opposing the proposal. In fact, because Kosovo has been oppressed barbarously by Serbs, all the Albanian cultural elements have been attacked, have been shadowed, etc. Now, a fact is the statement that the majority of the people inhabiting Kosovo since ancient times are Albanians. Serbians constitute just a tiny minority. Should we keep the Serbian name to represent Kosovo, just because of Serbian irredentism?--_{A B X}^{T • ?} 15:33, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

We shouldn't use the Serbian name or the Albanian name, we should use the English name. We arrive at this by consulting reliable English language sources and discovering what naming conventions are used; then we follow. Verifiable, NPOV, accurate. No need to start talking about the relative oppression or justness of the Serbians or the Albanians. The evidence presented so far suggests that Kosovo Polje is more coventional, so that's where we should keep the article. Of course, conventions can change...perhaps next year, or next decade, or next whatever, Fushë Kosovë will predominate in English. Then I will support moving the article.Erudy (talk) 01:11, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

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Rename request

Opposing "Fushë Kosovë" as a main name is insanity, or is a political angle of seeing things. Serbia do not support that name because is not recognizing Kosova as independent state, but other states are recognizing Kosova. So this means that with recognition is accepted together the language and the culture. With recognition of the language are recognized the names of the cities, mountains etc. How can you say that the name "Fushë Kosovë" is not such popular as "Kosovo Polje" and take that as an argue? It's not meter if the first or the second name is more popular, it is important which name is accepted by the state in which point comes in count which language is primary. Some editor together with some administrator are really one sided and are not neutral in "en.wikipedia". Most of the times is worthless to lose time to discuss with them. Puntori (talk) 01:14, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Demographics

What is meant by this paragraph?
Prior to the 1999 Kosovo War, Kosovo Polje was the town in Kosovo in which the Serb population formed its largest percentage at 24%. The United Nations High Commission for Refugees estimated in March 1998 that its population (estimated at 40,000) was around 24% Serb, 59% Albanian and 17% from other national communities.

Towns such as Leposavić have had a much larger percentage, closer to 80%. The statement is wrong. Evlekis (talk) 20:47, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

The name

The UNMIK laws no 1999/24 of the date 12 december 1999 clearly say that the municipalities of Kosovo should be named in its official language (wich is the language of the majority) and evry other name is out of law

http://www.unmikonline.org/regulations/unmikgazette/03albanian/A2000regs/RA2000_43.htm
http://www.unmikonline.org/regulations/unmikgazette/04serbian/SC2000regs/RSC2000_43.pdf

Therefor I see it quite resonable to change the names to albanian - Bindicapriqi —Preceding comment was added at 23:27, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Removal of content

Lindi29, please, do not remove the "Kosovo Polje" name from the lead section and from the infobox without discussiong it here and reaching consensus. Discussion and consensus are the basic principles of Wikipedia. Making controversial edits without discussion may lead to you being blocked. You should use this talk page to state your arguments and to try to reach consensus with other editors before making any such controversial edits. "Kosovo Polje" is the current title of the article. It is a result of consensus, as you can see above. Removing the title form the first sentence is contrary to the WP:BEGIN guideline. Even if the article was moved to "Fushë Kosova", the alternative name (Kosovo Polje) should be mentioned in the first sentence per Wikipedia:Article_titles#Treatment_of_alternative_names. So, removing the name is in contradiction with both WP:TITLE and WP:BEGIN. I reverted your edits. Please, do not make such edits again without reaching consensus. Vanjagenije (talk) 21:48, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Proposed move

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The result of the move request was: not moved. Fairly clear that Kosovo Polje is the WP:COMMONNAME, despite incorrect claims to the contrary. Number 5 7 21:20, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Kosovo Polje → Fushë Kosova – Per WP:CommonName. It is the official name in the Republic of Kosovo, most of the world recognizes Kosovo, it has an overwhelming Albanian majority and the majority of English languages sources prefer Fushë Kosova over Kosovo Polje. The contined spelling of Kosovo Polje is considered an insult to the majority of the town folk.

Kosovo Polje 400,000, compared with Fushë Kosova which receives over 3.5 million hits. Game set and match for Fushë Kosova. Let's keep it neutral (talk) 11:02, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

STRONG support. Per own nomination. Let's keep it neutral (talk) 11:02, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
Oppose. Wikipedia uses common names, not official names. So, it is totally irrelevant what is the majority in the city and how many nations recognize Kosovo. The only inportant issue is what is the most commonly used name in English. Nominator searched Google without quotation marks, so these results are totally incorrect. Searching for "Kosovo Polje" (with quotation marks) in English returns 751,000 results [1], while searching for "Fushë Kosova" returns 76,500 results [2] which is almost 10 to 1 in favor of "Kosovo Polje". Vanjagenije (talk) 20:27, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
Oppose Same user again created false request. Fushë Kosova is far away from common name per all sources, Google results and everything else. Oppose this. --Ąnαșταη (ταlκ) 17:13, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
STRONG support.Kosovo Polje is named in Serbian you can see it in the page to so it has nothing to do with english or with results on google.The primary thing is to set the name in right order not how many results there are.UNKT a special mission in kosovo uses Fushe Kosova as primary word in english than kosovo polje.here.and also the municipalty offical page in englishhere.Lindi29 (talk) 20:51, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Lindi29, you have to understand that Wikipedia does not use the "offical name", nor the "right name". It does not use the "Serbian name", nor the "Albanian name". Wikipedia uses the name most commonly used by English language reliable sources (see: WP:COMMONNAME). The official web site of the Municipality is certainly not a reliable source for determinating English language usage. Google News English language search shows 670 hits for "Kosvo Polje"[3] and 61 for "Fushë Kosova"[4]. Vanjagenije (talk) 21:38, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

In that case, since we are talking about WP:COMMONNAME, can someone explain why there are articles like Hellenic Army instead of Greek Army, Hellenic Parliament instead of Greek Parliament, or strange enough Hellenic Police instead of Greek Police? You can check the numbers yourself. Mondiad (talk) 04:11, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

Vanjagenije with all do respect i think you have to understad beacause i just provided source how it's written in english and i live in kosovo and i know how they are written in english.Lindi29 (talk) 21:47, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

You should not trust the thing they called "english" in Kosovo.... Use sources outside of Kosovo, only those are actually normal. --Ąnαșταη (ταlκ) 22:21, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Comment Why should i not trust a offical page than a biased source that you provide? It's translated with the Enlgish dictionary.Not like this one who is in serbian language.

Weak oppose "Kosovo Polje" is the more common English language name as of now. Maybe in future "Fushe Kosova" becomes more common, and only then we can possibly move this article. Khestwol (talk) 08:42, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
Oppose Kosovo Polje is better known name of Fushe Kosova.--ChumleeS (talk) 10:36, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
Oppose 996 results for Fushe Kosova and 21,400 results for Kosovo Polje. 23 editor (talk) 18:03, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Comment Fushe Kosova 330,000 results

Lindi29, You have to use quotation marks when doing Google search (like this: "Fushe Kosova"), and you have to limit the search to English language. We are trying to determine the most commonly used name in English. Your search results include many pages in Albanian language. When quotation marks are used, and when the search is limted to Enlish, there are much more results for "Kosovo Polje then for Fushe Kosova. Vanjagenije (talk) 20:56, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
Vanjagenije beacause kosovo polje it serbian, and here is an offical english source who uses fushe kosova in english.here dont fabricate things.Lindi29 (talk) 21:05, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

That source uses both names. Vanjagenije (talk) 21:56, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
Peja is the first one then pec see.Lindi29 (talk) 23:51, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Oppose, evident in supermajority of sources.--Zoupan 19:52, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Comment Zoupan Which supermajority sources ?Lindi29 (talk) 20:41, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

STRONG support evident in supermajority of sources.here,here.here.KingMax7 (talk) 23:37, 26 December 2014 (UTC) Blocked sock of Lindi29
STRONG support this editor that has removed the name fushe kosova to kosovo polje is a vandalist and has removded without consensus.here so the name of the artilce in english should be fushe kosova and the sources for fushe kosova are evident.99 editor (talk) 11:43, 27 December 2014 (UTC) Blocked sock of Lindi29
- Comment: There is some evidence that those two users above (KingMax7 and 99 editor) are one and the same person as User:Lindi29. See: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Lindi29. Vanjagenije (talk) 12:40, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
- Comment: I deny all this charges against me this user is just against me and my edits,there are no clear facts just words.Lindi29 (talk) 14:39, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
STRONG support Fushe Kosove is more commnly used in enlgish sources here.Chuck Colombo (talk) 14:34, 27 December 2014 (UTC) Blocked sock of Lindi29
Neutral - I have been lobbied by a user therefore I will neither support or oppose this RM. I will however comment that "Kosovo Polje" is the Common Name in a historical context, however "Fushë Kosovë" (and its other angalised versions) are in growing use in the English language. IJA (talk) 00:13, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
Support This is an article about the city in Kosovo, named Fushë Kosovë by the nation's and UN standards, consented by the USA, GB and the vast majority of other sovereign countries in the world. Since this city and municipality has had an especially large serbian minority compared to other cities in the state, there has been some reluctance (mainly by tireless serbian patriots) to keep the article under the serbian variant of the name, "Kosovo Polje". Needless to say, as there is only 1 correct name, i.e. that of the host country, there should exist an article with the correct name of the city since a city with the correct name of the city also exists. These are wikipedia standards; if it's a fact, it should be represented on wikipedia. I was there after having visited novi sad in serbia last year, so I can verify the fact that the city indeed exists. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.235.144.179 (talk) 20:02, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
Support In which country is the city? Name the place after the country. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.67.14.71 (talk) 17:03, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

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