Talk:Kraken

Pronunciation

/krɑkən/, really? I've heard /krækɨn/ and /krekɨn/, but never /krɑkən/. I'm in the US, FWIW. 73.149.43.153 (talk) 17:21, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 June 2020

"Kraken" is pronounced with a long "A". Johnny Depp pronounced it wrong in POTC and now everybody is.

Change pronunciation (phonetic) symbols in the article's heading to reflect "krākən" as rhyming with "taken" Seminole-boy (talk) 22:47, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

 Not done. I checked multiple dictionaries, and while I did find some variation between /ˈkrɑːkən/ and (/ˈkrækən/, nothing that I found verifies your claim here. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 01:18, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

References

in the lede, speculated, not postulated

it's a speculation that the kraken sightings were squid, not a postulate or testable hypothesis 2603:8001:9500:9E98:0:0:0:9A7 (talk) 00:48, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

As a verb, 'postulate' is defined in at least one dictionary as, "suggest or assume the existance, fact, or truth of (something) as a basis for reasoning, discussion, or belief."[1] I see nothing in that definition to require using another verb in the lead. Let us see how other users feel about the wording. - Donald Albury 12:20, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Original Kraken

Wasn't the original Kraken a whale monster that first appeared on the Carta Marina? This website here lists the monsters from that map (on the left) and has the bearded whale monster as a Kraken. https://williammorristile.com/medieval/carta_marina_sea_monster_map.html 45.3.20.39 (talk) 18:57, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

We have an article about the Carta marina. An advertising site is not a reliable source, and drawing your own conclusions about what appears on that map is original research, which is not allowed in Wikipedia. - Donald Albury 19:22, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

How about this BHL article here. https://blog.biodiversitylibrary.org/2014/10/release-kraken.html45.3.20.39 (talk) 18:47, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

That is labeled a "blog", which would normally be unacceptable as a source (see WP:BLOG). It may be allowable under WP:NEWSBLOG. I will not be on-line much for next few days, so, if no one else comments on this in the next day or two, then I suggest you ask about the suitability of that source at Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard, stating how you want to use that source in this article. - Donald Albury 11:53, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

King Sverre

Is it true that King Sverre first mentioned the Kraken in 1180 warning his men about a huge tentacled monster?24.50.188.12 (talk) 15:57, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Supposedly he did but I don't know what the source is. Was it a letter? A book? Can't find any real details about where the information originated from.Wikieditor9117 (talk) 14:19, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

According to the book Sea Monsters Unmasked written in 1884 by Henry Lee, he did. Here's a link. https://archive.org/details/seamonstersunmas00leehuoft/page/n11/mode/2upWikieditor9117 (talk)

Sauce seems to be Konungs skuggsjá: https://www.gutenberg.org/files/61264/61264-h/61264-h.htm#f49 which meantions a "kraken", a giant "fish" (sea creature) which lacks a definitive description. However i have not been able to find a scan of the original text.--Blockhaj (talk) 19:26, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Quote: There is a fish not yet mentioned which it is scarcely advisable to speak about on account of its size, which to most men will seem incredible. There are, moreover, but very few who can tell anything definite about it, inasmuch as it is rarely seen by men; for it almost never approaches the shore or appears where fishermen can see it, and I doubt that this sort of fish is very plentiful in the sea. In our language it is usually called the “kraken.” I can say nothing definite as to its length in ells, for on those occasions when men have seen it, it has appeared more like an island than a fish. Nor have I heard that one has ever been caught or found dead. It seems likely that there are but two in all the ocean and that these beget no offspring, for I believe it is always the same ones that appear. Nor would it be well for other fishes if they were as numerous as the other whales, seeing that they are so immense and need so much food. It is said, that when these fishes want something to eat, they are in the habit of giving forth a violent belch, which brings up so much food that all sorts of fish in the neighborhood, both large and small, will rush up in the hope of getting nourishment and good fare. Meanwhile the monster keeps it mouth open, and inasmuch as its opening is about as wide as a sound or fjord, the fishes cannot help crowding in in great numbers. But as soon as its mouth and belly are full, the monster closes its mouth and thus catches and shuts in all the fishes that just previously had rushed in eagerly to seek food. Page 125--Blockhaj (talk) 19:43, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Yeah but that's from 1250. Sverre allegedly wrote about the Kraken in 1180. Also the original text that you wrote apparently referred to the creature as the hafgufa. There was a translation done here [[2]]Wikieditor9117 (talk) 15:36, 27 July 2023 (UTC)