Talk:Kuiil

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Good articleKuiil has been listed as one of the Media and drama good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
Good topic starKuiil is part of the Characters from The Mandalorian series, a good topic. This is identified as among the best series of articles produced by the Wikipedia community. If you can update or improve it, please do so.
Article milestones
DateProcessResult
May 19, 2020Good article nomineeListed
September 26, 2020Good topic candidatePromoted
Did You Know
A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on February 9, 2020.
The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Nick Nolte, who voices Kuiil in the Star Wars television series The Mandalorian, was seriously considered for the role of Han Solo over 40 years earlier?
Current status: Good article

Did you know? nomination[edit]

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:43, 8 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Moved to mainspace by Hunter Kahn (talk). Self-nominated at 18:49, 25 January 2020 (UTC).[reply]

  • Please correct grammar; would also be good to give the number of years: "... would ?? years later ..." RLO1729 (talk)
    • RLO1729 Sorry about the typo. I fixed that and added the exact number of years between the film and show. I changed it to "released 42 years later" rather than saying he was "cast in the part X years later" because he was likely cast in 2017 or 2018 before the show's release. Let me know if you think the new wording is acceptable. — Hunter Kahn 14:37, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • The repetition of the word "later" seems to jar a little. I also wonder about the use of the word "would" in the hook. The full sentence is currently asking "Did you know he would be cast ..." (i.e. before it happened) when I think you really mean "Did you know he was cast ...". What about something like
... that Nick Nolte, who once auditioned for the part of Han Solo, was cast as Kuiil in the Star Wars show The Mandalorian over 40 years later?
Or consider turning it around as
... that Nick Nolte, who currently plays Kuiil in the Star Wars show The Mandalorian, auditioned for the part of Han Solo over 40 years earlier? (or use the exact number of years in this case)
RLO1729 (talk) 21:36, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • RLO1729 I'd be fine with either of your revised versions, though I personally prefer the first one slightly... — Hunter Kahn 21:48, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Re-reading both, most fans would of course know Nolte was cast as Kuiil, so the second version probably has more element of surprise. RLO1729 (talk) 22:01, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Also check that the revised version can be seen clearly in the original article (including years between events) and can be verified by a reputable source. RLO1729 (talk) 22:11, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Also "currently plays" should probably be changed to "voiced". RLO1729 (talk) 23:05, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've now explored the hook-related source provided in the article (from looper.com, quoting mtv.com). The latter says Nolte was "seriously considered for" rather than "auditioned for" so I'd suggest that the article be revised to reflect this more clearly and that the hook then read:
... that Nick Nolte, who voices Kuiil in the Star Wars show The Mandalorian, was seriously considered for the role of Han Solo over 40 years earlier?
Both the article and the hook should then include this source. RLO1729 (talk) 00:09, 29 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • That source was already in the article, but I've added a citation tag to the specific sentence now. Is that what you meant? — Hunter Kahn 00:34, 29 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, perfect. Suggest you update the hook here if you're happy with the latest version and add the mtv source here too. RLO1729 (talk) 00:50, 29 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sorry, the article still needs to say "was seriously considered for" instead of "had previously auditioned for". RLO1729 (talk) 00:57, 29 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • I've changed that wording in the article itself, and changed the hook above to your suggested wording. I'm not sure what you mean by "add the mtv source here too" though. You mean a citation tag in the hook/DYK itself? I thought now that the fact is cited in the article itself that we are covered? — Hunter Kahn 02:41, 29 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • The hook parameter of Template:NewDYKnomination recommends including a source. It's a good idea, especially if the nomination also appears on the article talk page. Also see other nominations on the current page. I've added it in. Good to go I think! RLO1729 (talk) 03:56, 29 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • My review conclusion for the first hook would be DYK Ready but someone else should confirm as I have been involved in the final form of the hook (see above). For the other aspects of the review, I found: Article length and age are fine, no copyvio or plagiarism concerns, reliable sources are used, hook is cited, hook is reasonably interesting, QPQ good. Hope this helps. RLO1729 (talk) 04:51, 29 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: Cavie78 (talk · contribs) 17:32, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]


Infobox

  • It seems odd that you list Kuiil's occupation in the infobox as "former Imperial indentured servant" when you say in the article that he is a moisture farmer. Maybe say "Moisture farmer; former Imperial indentured servant"?
  • I'd expect Homeworld in the infobox to mean where his species comes from, not where he's living at the time of The Mandalorian?
    • I just took "homeworld" out altogether to avoid this confusion; I think your point is correct, but it's never definitively where his original homeworld is, so adding it would be OR. — Hunter Kahn 20:45, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Lead

  • Again, I'd say "first appeared", but I don't think you like this from the other Mandalorian articles of yours that I've reviewed.
    • I guess I didn't have it that way because he hasn't appeared in anything else yet, but I made the change. — Hunter Kahn 20:45, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Appearances

  • "making his first appearance in the series debut episode "Chapter 1: The Mandalorian", where he lives on a moisture farm on the planet Arvala-7, working as a vapor farmer" -> "making his first appearance in the series debut episode "Chapter 1: The Mandalorian", where he is shown living on a moisture farm on the planet Arvala-7, working as a vapor farmer"
  • "with the hopes that" -> "with the hope that"
  • "Kuiil returns in the next episode" Maybe "Kuiil appears in the next episode" or similar to avoid repetition of "returns"
  • "Kuiil helps the Mandalorian avert a crisis with a local community of alien scavengers called Jawas" I think this could be worded better - it sounds like Jawas are local to Arvala-7
    • Well, that sort of is the case here; these particular Jawas are local to that planet. Unless I misunderstand your comment? — Hunter Kahn 20:45, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • Sorry, what I was saying is it makes it sounds like the jawas are native to the planet rather than being a species that live all over the galaxy Cavie78 (talk) 21:03, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
        • Cavie78 Ahh, yes, you are right. I've changed it simply to "a group of alien scavengers called Jawas". — Hunter Kahn 13:20, 19 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "and agrees to accompany the Mandalorian for the save of protecting the child from Imperial slavery" Not sure what's happened here - do you mean "the sake" Even so, it sounds a bit odd "as he wants to help protect the Child from imperial slavery"?
    • It was supposed to be "sake", but your wording is better so I changed it. — Hunter Kahn 20:45, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "While the others in the party does not understand his power" -> "While the others in the party do not understand his power"
  • "During their journey at Nevarro" -> "During their journey on Nevarro"?
  • "Later, the bounty hunter Greef Karga reveals the mission is an ambush" Maybe (briefly) say why Greef Karga decides to reveal this
    • I added some of this context; let me know if that works. — Hunter Kahn 20:45, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Child's protection. But two" I think this would work better with a comma "Child's protection, but two"

Characterization

  • "as shown by his willingness to assist the Mandalorian and other bounty hunters travel in finding the bounty they seek" Do we know that he helped other bounty hunters find The Child?
    • Yeah, it's stated that he helped others before the Mandalorian. — Hunter Kahn 20:45, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Conception

  • Ok

Portrayal

  • "on the Internet earlier" -> "on the internet earlier'
  • "Nolte's casting was announced" officially announced makes more sense, given that you start the sentence with "although"
    • Added the word "officially". — Hunter Kahn 20:53, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The motion capture performance of Kuiil was done by actress and stuntwoman Misty Rosas, who called it "the most amazing job of my life"" Suggest rewording to "Actress and stuntwoman Misty Rosas performed the motion capture for Kuiil, calling it "the most amazing job of my life".
  • "which she fears would "be taking me out of the scene"" -> "which she feared would "[take her] out of the scene"
  • "Rosas recited during the audition" -> "Rosas recited during her audition"

Costume

  • "of makeup for part" -> "of makeup for the part"
  • "give Rosas the great possible freedom of motion" -> "give Rosas the greatest possible freedom of motion"
  • "Kuiil's eyes are not part of the mask, and instead, Rosas' actual eyes are visible through holes in the mask" Don't think "mask" is necessary at the end as you've already established that you're talking about the mask. Same for the next sentence, although you'd have to rewrite.
    • Made some changes to this effect. — Hunter Kahn 20:53, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Filming

  • "Rosas called these rehearsals" I think you have just say "Rosas called the rehearsals" here, as you've established which rehearsals you're talking about, and "these" is pretty repetitive
  • "Misty Rosas prepared a great deal in advance for her scenes and study the dialogue carefully so they could go as smoothly as possible" -> "Rosas prepared a great deal in advance for her scenes, studying the dialogue carefully, so that shooting would go as smoothly as possible"?
  • "particularly when in scenes that were dimly lit" -> "particularly during scenes that were dimly lit"
  • "and multiple takes were required to get it correct" -> "and multiple takes were required to get a take that worked" (or something like that anyway!)
    • I changed it to "multiple takes were necessary as a result". — Hunter Kahn 20:53, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "This made the Child relatively heavy, occasionally proving challenging" -> "This made the Child relatively heavy, which occasionally proved challenging"
  • "the speeds at which it was made to run" I assume the prop didn't actually run? Maybe better to say "the speeds at which it was made to appear to run" or something?

Themes

  • Ok

Critical reception

  • "subject of Internet memes used by fans" -> "subject of internet memes used by fans"
  • "At first glance, (Kuiil)" -> "At first glance, [Kuiil]"
  • "Charlie Ridgely of Comicbook.com "one of the most"" -> "Charlie Ridgely of Comicbook.com described Kuiil as "one of the most""
  • "and the choice to make a member" -> "and said that he felt the choice to make a member"
  • "Den of Geek writer Megan Crouse called the character was a wise old" -> "Den of Geek writer Megan Crouse said that she felt the character was a wise old"
  • "but that it worked well, in part due to his likeable personality" -> "but that this worked well, in part due to Kuiil's likeable personality"
  • "provided "nicely acerbic voice" -> "provided a "nicely acerbic voice"
  • "Fans on the Internet" -> "Fans on the internet"

Images

  • All ok

Sources

  • Look good
Another well written article in The Mandalorian series. Placing on hold for now Cavie78 (talk) 20:36, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
See reply above regarding the Jawas Cavie78 (talk) 10:13, 19 May 2020 (UTC) @Hunter Kahn:[reply]
Thanks @Hunter Kahn:. I love this guy - happy to see the article reach GA! Cavie78 (talk) 15:18, 19 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Same Cavie78, he's probably my favorite character on the show. :) Thanks for the review! — Hunter Kahn 19:44, 19 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Merch update[edit]

There seems to be more for Kuiil-related merchandise, as visible from this and this. Hunter Kahn, I don't want to interrupt the article, so if you desire, you can add these yourselves. --► Sincerely: Solavirum 19:27, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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