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Article should be "High" on importance scale[edit]

"Kurier Wileński" is the only minority language daily in Lithuania, and as such should be put on as high importance. Also, it is worth noting that the daily was often an object of jokes (crude ones, too) in Lithuanian satyrical TV-shows, and object of attacks by lithuanian nationalists. In Lithuania, almost everyone is aware of it's existance.

No, it should not. The only three newspapers that deserve a "high" rating are Lietuvos rytas (the largest), Respublika (competitor), and Lietuvos aidas (historical reasons). Everything else - mid to low. Renata 23:13, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, then it certainly should too - if Lietuvos Aidas is "High" because of historical reasons, Kurier should too. Not only because it is older, but because it was founded centuries before Lietuvos Aidas, but because it was connected with more and more important people, who are now parts of history of both Lithuania and Poland (which were connected into a commonwealth back when the daily was founded as Kurier Litewski).

Of course, I do aknowledge that as official paper of Supreme Council of Lithuania Lietuvos Aidas took direct part in regaining of Lithuania's independence, BUT - it was Kurier, who gave possibility for the first assembly of Sajudis to take place. Let's not forget that. Klon 18:42, 25 July 2007 (GMT +2)

Financing of the daily[edit]

Lokyz points out that the fact Kurier Wileński doesn't get help from Lithuanian institutions, is not worth of mentioning in the encyclopedia. There I cannot agree - it is very widely practised in Europe, that minority media, which cannot sustain themselves, are partly financed by governments or intitutions of the countries their minorities reside in, as in the case of Sorb daily Serbske Noviny in Germany.

So, the fact, that the only minority daily in Lithuania doesn't get any help from governmental institutions (such as Department for Minorities and Emmigration, which, on the other hand, finances Lithuanian media published in Lithuania, such as Voruta) is, if not outrageous, certainly worth mentioning. Klon-immortal 10:44, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A. It is not onbly minority newspaper. B. Buying adds is a form of support. C. It is not the only on for minorities - Polish yes, minorities - no. D. If Polish people do not buy it (thus do not support), maybe, just maybe, it is not so much important for local population - the fact, that it is Polish newspaper does not automatically make it very important.--Lokyz 11:31, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A. The only DAILY minority paper in Lithuania, just as I said before. B. Buiyng ads IS NOT a form of support, especially in situation, when VIlnius City Municipality is buying them at half the price. C. I don't get this point. Please explain. D. I didn't say anywhere that being Polish makes it important. Press is very important for every cultural group, and minorities are not always able to support it themselves (which does not neccessarily makes the paper non-important for them) - Catalonians or Basque people are exceptions, but Sorbs in Germany, Slovenians in Italy, Hungarians in Romania - they all get support for their media from specialised govermental institutions (analogues of Lithuanian Department for Minorities and Emmigrants). Klon-immortal 17:05, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

BTW - fact, that KW does not get help from Lithuanian government (Lithuanian Ausra in Poland does get about 150k PLN from Polish government) is not an opinion nor political agenda or complain, as you state as argument for your rv - it is a fact, and as such, I feel, it SHOULD be on the Wikipedia. Plus, I would propose to ask some independent arbiters (from otside of both Polish or Lithuanian wikiprojects) to make an opinion on this matter.Klon-immortal 17:10, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A. There is Респулика daily. Russians are minority, don't you think? B. Ads is what newspaper makes living from - and guarantied amount of ads is a stable income - therefore, it is a support. Well - that part about half the price - care to provide any sources, or is this just a figure of speach? as for C - if people do not buy it, it simply means they do not need it - maybe they read "Gazeta Wyborcza", maybe just listen to the Polish radio or watch Polish TV, or read Polish press on the internet, or maybe this newspaper does not interest them. I don't know - but the fact, that they are not eager to buy newspaper is also a fact. If they would think newspaper is important they would buy one, don't you think? As for the removed part - it was written Not NPOV language, and with clear agenda in mind. Besides - it is absolutely clear from the text that this newspaper does not get any special donations, because there is not mentioning about donations. Special mentioning of it is not encyclopedic, it's agenda driven and is on the verge of WP:POINT For God's sake - it's not - "everyone is against Poles" type encyclopedia, nevermind what do you feel.--Lokyz 21:41, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I hope you will take no offense on me restructuring this discussion a bit. :) A. Респулика is not a daily per se, it is only Lithuanian Respublika translated to Russian, so i would not consider it "true" daily, if you get my point (and I mean absolutely no offence neither to you, nor Респулика). B. What touches ads - look here - [1]. By this prices, and even counting all the discounts, single page costs >1k litas (i'm too tired and lazy right now to count more specifically). And the municipality gets one page for 1k. The problem with minority press is that mainstream advertisers are less interested in having ads only for minority, or their circulation is not satisfactioning. So getting ads is LOT more difficult than in majority press - that's why in most countries minority media are being financed by local governments. As for C - of course, you could say paper is nor interesting for people. On the other hand - it is not uncommon in polish communities, which tightly populate their areas, to buy single paper for whole family (and for poles it is not uncommon to live together with several generations of family). Well - i get your point and agree with you. And I never had "everyone is against Poles" in mind - I just got your deletion of the donating mention as "everyone is against Lithuanians" thing. As Lithuanian Pole I might be a bit too sensitive on that matter - sorry for that. Good luck. Klon-immortal 23:58, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cats[edit]

Considering the article text, 1796 is the appropriate date here. I don't see any kind of argument for 1990.radek (talk) 01:33, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

And you're wrong here. Thers is no signs of traceable continuity. With all due respect, soviets made it a gramophone of propaganda radziewskoscki, or commies, like you declare on your userpage.--Lokyz (talk) 10:56, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It was as red as a banner during Soviet era. So what? This article covers both the modern and historical courier, so there's no problem here. //Halibu tt 00:30, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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