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A fact from Lady Six Monkey appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 25 November 2023 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Lady Six Monkey was the only one of her four siblings not to be sacrificed?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2023/November. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Lady Six Monkey.

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Renaming[edit]

I propose a renaming of this article to " Lady 6 Monkey 'War Quechquemitl' ", as this is the form most used by academics.Mhmrodrigues (talk) 18:48, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I propose a renaming to Six Monkey War Quechquemitl analogous to Eight Deer Jaguar Claw. --2A02:8108:50BF:C694:5420:13DB:29E7:93F8 (talk) 17:19, 26 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 26 February 2023[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the page to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below. A new redirect from the proposed title has been created. Dekimasuよ! 06:58, 16 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Lady Six Monkey → Six Monkey War Quechquemitl – analogous to Eight Deer Jaguar Claw 2A02:8108:50BF:C694:5420:13DB:29E7:93F8 (talk) 17:21, 26 February 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 13:50, 6 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Google Scholar results suggest that Lady Six Monkey is the WP:COMMONNAME. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 22:14, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
In that case, should rather Eight Deer Jaguar Claw be renamed (to Lord Eight Deer)? I think this should be consistent. --2A02:8108:50BF:C694:41C5:8AAF:A1C9:6DD0 (talk) 10:22, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I can't say for sure - I haven't looked at the sources surrounding Eight Deer Jaguar Claw myself - but, while consistency is good to strive for, my personal stance here is that WP:COMMONNAME is the first priority and maintaining consistency is secondary. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 15:37, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Did you know nomination[edit]

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The result was: promoted by Vaticidalprophet talk 16:12, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Lady Six Monkey's conflict with Eight Deer Jaguar Claw has been called "an Iliad of the Mixtec people"? Source: Williams, p. 16
- ALT1: ... that Lady Six Monkey was the only one of her four siblings not to have been sacrificed? Source: Williams, p. 179
- Reviewed:
- Comment: Expanded fivefold (493 -> 3057 characters of prose size). No QPQ as this is my first nomination.

5x expanded by ModernDayTrilobite (talk). Self-nominated at 19:08, 10 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Lady Six Monkey; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

Short description is confusing me Chidgk1 (talk) 14:19, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Checked no qpq needed and expanded enough, fixed one cite above and checked other. Earwig tool found no copyvio. Added a couple of wikilinks and checked with tool no duplicate wikilinks. Read through carefully - is well written. Chidgk1 (talk) 08:53, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@ModernDayTrilobite: I prefer the first hook as I find ALT1 a little depressing. Can you clarify re short description please? External link not working for me - perhaps remove that section? Also do you want pic in DYK if possible? Chidgk1 (talk) 09:05, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, thanks for reviewing! The first hook is my preference as well. I'll remove the external link as well, as I just checked on a new device and it wasn't working for me there either.

I'm admittedly a little confused about your question re: the short description – to my knowledge, the article doesn't have one at this time (though I now find myself wanting to go in and add one). Could you provide a little more detail on what you're looking for clarification on?

As for the pic, I have no strong opinion on whether to include one or not. If we do go forward with adding a picture, I think the best choice would be the image from the infobox. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 15:13, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The short desc was previously "Iyadzehe" - perhaps someone removed it from Wikidata after I saw it here - anyway the one you just added looks better - I just shortened it slightly. Good to go.

Great to hear, thank you! Your edit to the short description looks good to me. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 17:10, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

More info re picture?[edit]

I see at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Codex_Zouche-Nuttall_-_Lady_6_Monkey_of_Jaltepec_queen_of_Huachino.png that the description is the same as the caption "Lady 6 Monkey of Jaltepec queen of Huachino"

If anyone knows it would be interesting if the description included info on what she is sitting on/under and holding Chidgk1 (talk) 16:30, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Names[edit]

Presumably the names in A Memory Called Empire were inspired by these - perhaps worth linking from there? Chidgk1 (talk) 16:36, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Lede opening[edit]

Lady Six Monkey (Mixtec: Ñuñuu Dzico-Coo-Yodzo; before 1073 – 1101), was...

is opaque, at least it was to me. Not clear if means she she lived before 1073 – 1101... maybe 991 – 1050? She was born sometime before the date range 1073 – 1101? That's what went thru my mind at first. I'd prefer something like

Lady Six Monkey (Mixtec: Ñuñuu Dzico-Coo-Yodzo; born before 1073 – died 1101), was...

It's longer but a lot clearer IMO. However, doing this probably violates some rule somewhere, so I didn't do it, but it would be an improvement I think. Herostratus (talk) 06:16, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I did it, and I'm glad. Glad, do you hear me? Glad. Herostratus (talk) 02:34, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, that's right – I intended to reply to this topic when it was first raised, but it appears I forgot. This is a good change, in my opinion; even if there is a rule against it somewhere, it's a minor enough detail that I'm happy to IAR for the sake of clarity. Thanks for pushing it through! ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 16:05, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]