Talk:Legends of the Hidden Temple/Archive 1

completeing the temple =

I want to know exactly how many times a team actually completed the entire temple. I can't recall it ever happening so it must be a rare enough occurance for it to be worth counting.

• It happened on around 30 of the 120 episodes, I believe - check the website links at the bottom of the main article and I'm sure you'll find that information on those sites. --Goldrushcavi 23:21, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

It happened exactly 32 times. (http://www.geocities.com/nicklegends/featsfactsfirsts.html) Nicklegends (talk) 22:01, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Possible Error?

The intro states that the game won an award for "Best Game Show Series" in a country known as djdskldskhlsdk. I, personally, have never heard of djdskldskhlsdk and suspect that it might be an error of some sort. Even if it is not, shouldn't it follow standard grammatical form for proper nouns and be capitalized? Or is djdskldskhlsdk somehow an exception to the rule? Hmmmmm382 03:01, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

• I don't know why, but I have a slight inclination that "djdskldskhlsdk" must have been vandalism. --Goldrushcavi 22:06, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Olmec now?

I had read somewhere Olmec and much of the set had been purchased by a british television network, and was being used in a reality program. Can anyone confirm this? --NEMT 06:46, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm.... Angie Y. 20:13, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

No, he took up to much storage space and they did not want his image used inappropriately so they destroyed him a couple of years back. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.188.116.182 (talk)

I don't think the comment above me is true, but either way, I have not heard of Olmec being used for anything nowadays. Nicklegends (talk) 22:02, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Olmec article brought me here. good times — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.52.149.227 (talk) 21:07, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Female temple guards?

In the article, the temple guards are described as "men or women in lavish Mayan sentinel costumes." When were there female temple guards? I've never seen this. In fact, in every episode I've seen, the guards seem to be portrayed by the same three men. VelvetKevorkian 12:20, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

"fancruft"

No such thing. If someone cares enough to put it in, and it's verifiable, it's worthy. The notability "requirement" is BS. Thanos6 11:55, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

• Wikipedia:fancruft, Wikipedia:no original research, Wikipedia:notability would all indicate otherwise, no matter how you feel on the subject. --Goldrushcavi 19:13, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

• I violate the middle one all the time no matter how YOU feel about the subject. 72.146.86.213 (talk) 02:41, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Premiere Date of September 11, 1993 is Correct

I have the original premiere and next several episodes on tape all from oringinal broadcasts and was able to determine without a doubt that the show premiered on the 11th. There's part of a Mets/Braves game (from ESPN Sunday Night Baseball) at the start of episode 4; it was really easy to determine that that game was September 26th; from there I was able to determine the correct premiere date. Below is the scheduling history of the first four episodes. I know that it doesn't matter really what order the episodes aired in, but I have them listed anyway.

• Saturday September 11 (Sir Lawrence of Arabia's Headdress)
• Sunday September 12 (Golden Jaguar of Atahualpa)
• Saturday September 18 (no episode shown)
• Sunday September 19 (repeat of Sep. 11)
• Saturday September 25 (Code Book of Mata Hari)
• Sunday September 26 (Trojan Horseshoe)

(HairMetalLives 06:21, 30 May 2007 (UTC))

Kirk Fog Controversy

Someone help me out, I remember hearing somewhere that Kirk Fogg was kicked off the show because he once said "Fu*k" during a live taping. The show of course was edited but he was fired because of many contestant's parents requests. I can't find the details anywhere but I remember hearing this. Any responses? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.16.103.63 (talk • contribs)

I highly doubt it. Kirk said in his interview that nobody really knew that the show was going to be cancelled. I don't know where you heard that from, but it seems false. --PAK Man ^Talk 16:36, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I remember hearing that. I don't remember where but I bet Nickelodeon wanted to keep it quiet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.73.244.216 (talk • contribs)

I agree with PAK Man. This story seems really unlikely. I have a feeling that someone is pulling your chain. (HairMetalLives 19:14, 15 June 2007 (UTC))

It's almost impossible by the way I see it. Why would they have kicked off the host at the end of a season for something that didn't affect its airing? 67.169.101.124 21:49, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

I, too, doubt it. Nobody I've talked to who was associated with the show knew it was going to be canceled until they heard it from the people higher up at Nickelodeon. Nicklegends (talk) 22:05, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

It just doesn't make sense, why would Kirk Fogg get kicked off the show if he said that dirty word? People loved him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.162.53.132 (talk) 00:19, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Legends of the Hidden Temple (assembling monkey).jpg

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Fair use rationale for Image:Legends of the Hidden Temple (Fogg and Olmec).jpg

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Sources for Season Two Tapings

If somebody does not provide a valid source as to when the Season Two episodes were taped, I'm deleting the episode order information. What says that this is the order of the episodes? --PAK Man ^Talk 16:36, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Kirk Fogg Useless?

I heard rumors that one of the reasons the show was cancelled was that during season 3, Kirk was renedered almost ueless when Olmec took over almost all of the duties of announcing, by introducing the games and telling the stories. Kirk was pretty much only used for saying the countdown for the physical challenges and the show's intro. Has anyone else heard anytthing of the sort? Volcomtoast 01:45, 9 July 2007 (UTC)volcomtoast

It simply wouldn't make sense, since it was neither Kirk's nor Dee Baker's choice to set up the two parts that way. Nick likely wanted to make the icon of the show have a more prominent role through a standard production choice. For the record, the change happened between Seasons One and Two. Nicklegends (talk) 22:08, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Cave of Sighs Alternate Name

Since I was a child, I thought that the cave was called the "Cave of Sais". I thought this made a lot more sense then "Cave of Sighs" which seems to be referring to something really boring. If I recall correctly, there were sharp looking stalactites/mites that I thought verified the name "Cave of Sais". I was a big fan of the TMNT as well, so the idea came natually. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.24.243.89 (talk) 02:21, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

The only thing I know about the word Sais is that it was a city in Egypt. What led you to make the connection between the stalactites and the name? ...Haha, now there are four possible names for this room between "Sighs," "Size," "Scythes," and "Sais." The controversy will never stop. Nicklegends (talk) 22:11, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Splitting temple layouts into new article

I think the layouts might be better served in their own article, since they seem to be long and repetitive and easily split off. If anyone has any comments, please discuss. Also, I'm looking for suggestions for a possible title of that new article. RJaguar3 | u | t 06:26, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

No objections here; that section downright dominates the article. You could call the new one something like List of Temple Rooms Featured on Legends of the Hidden Temple. Nicklegends 18:42, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Spoofs?

This may sound crazy, but if someone tried to do a "True" spoof of LOTHT, where would the best place (in the east coast and NOT a movie studio and in a very easy to find place) to do it? 96.228.19.6 01:49, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

The discussion page is for comments pertaining to the Wikipedia article, not Legends in general. Try asking on a message board devoted to Legends instead. RJaguar3 | u | t 17:12, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Shirt stores links

User:Jarjar13 has readded the shirt stores links after they were deleted, and I want to have a consensus before removing them again. Should the shirt links stay or go?

Personally, even though the teams (and accordingly, the shirts) are a very identifiable part of the show, I really don't think we need linkse to places where they are sold. If anything, I think interested people could Google it themselves, as these links seem to be advertising. RJaguar3 | u | t 07:05, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

This topic was decided upon a while ago, and is now in the talk archives. It was decided that the links are relevant and should remain included with this article. jarjar13

Read this previous discussion. From reading it, I don't think there was any consensus reached. I believe the links fall under WP:EL#Links normally to be avoided point 5 as advertising a product, and therefore should be removed. However, I have no trouble with (and probably will write in the near future) a section on the show's cult following (including team loyalties). RJaguar3 | u | t 18:11, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

You should add it back for the fans that haven't thought to search for it because they didn't think that they would be available!24.45.84.52 (talk) 20:54, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

We are not a shopping link service. --Cheeser1 (talk) 22:57, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Olmec

What was the deal with Olmec in season 3? He became computer generated as opposed to actually being on the set and having his lips moved mechanically in the first two seasons...anyone have any explanation for this change? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.124.62.200 (talk) 04:12, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

My copy-edit to the article

I've made a couple of changes. Most of my edits were simple rewordings and sentence reorderings that clarified some sections. I also decided to remove the last couple of sentences in the Round 4 section about the travel vouchers, as that seems irrelevant to the discussion. If anyone objects, feel free to be bold and make changes. RJaguar3 | u | t 03:03, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Failed GA

I have failed this from GA for multiple reasons:

• References 2, 6, 8, 9, 12, and 13 in this diff were all from fansites. None of these seems to be reliable (one's on Geocities, one's on Freewebs). I have removed these as they do not meet WP:EL or WP:RS.
• Most of the "theming and premise" section is unreferenced.
• Teams: Do the team names really need to be in color like that?
• Main Game: Tighten up the prose here; it seems too wordy. Too many sentences beginning with "if" as well.
• Footnotes such as "...However, studio master evidence shows that new episodes were airing at least through July 1995." and "This is according to Fogg's rundown of the rules before a tiebreaker occurred; it is probable that these are the same rules used in the Steps of Knowledge." smack of original research.

In short, the article needs more reliable sources, not fansites, and maybe another copy edit. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 22:22, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, (insert your choice of profanities) Internet Explorer ate my reply, so here's an abbreviated version. Basically, after exhaustive Internet research (including subscription databases), I could only find three print sources on the show.

1. The Encyclopedia of TV Game Shows has about a quarter page of information on the show. It has a mostly complete list of people involved in production (which is why it is cited in the beginning of the article). However, it glosses over many details of the show's gameplay.
2. An article in the Los Angeles Times from July 10, 1994 about the show (Mendoza. "Shows for Youngsters and Their Parents Too: Nickelodeon and the 'Temple' of Treasure Mix History and Games." p.7). The article contains a few producer comments, as well as a little gameplay description (even less than EOTVGS) and a little behind-the-scenes.
3. A Variety article from February 17, 1994 about the show's timeslot change and renewal for a second season (Flint. "Stone Stanley Inks for Firstrun with Nick, ESPN"). Zero gameplay detail, but there might be stuff in this article to beef up the broadcast history section.

These articles gloss over many important aspects of the subject (for instance, not one of them mentions the names of the teams), which is a necessary component of a Good Article. Hence, I believe the two deleted sources, while not the most reliable, can still be used as reliable sources for this article. While they are self-published (which is one strike against them), I believe they are still reliable for the following reasons.

1. They are run by a webmaster; hence, the quality and veracity of the information can be attributed to a single person or group of people in each case.
2. Those webmasters are considered experts on the subject on the largest forum on the show I've seen (Phantom's Temple). While this is not a reliable third-party certification of the webmasters as experts, it's the best one can get, since journalists have concurred that a show that has been out of production for 12 years is not worth writing about in print.
3. The sources are mainstream, do not present fringe views, and mostly agree with each other (most differences between the two sources are additions and omissions, not contradictions).

Thus, while the sources are not the most reliable one could hope for, they're the best that can be found. Thus, I believe them to be reliable enough for this article. Let me know what you think. RJaguar3 | u | t 15:25, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Arbitrary coloring

If there are not any specific reason for why WP:MOSCOLOR would not apply to this article, this type of formatting for the names of the teams is unnecessary. « ₣M₣ » 23:34, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

From WP:MOS#Color coding: "It is certainly desirable to use color as an aid for those who can see it, but the information should still be accessible without it." Seems to fit those criteria. RJaguar3 | u | t 13:40, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Except the last team mentioned is hardly accessible due to a lack of contrast. {{Fontcolor}} can be used for a background, but will further reduce consistency, but I digress. « ₣M₣ » 19:00, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Or we can just agree to make silver more of a dark gray. RJaguar3 | u | t 21:30, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Slight revisions to the episode guide?

A Legends fan community did manage to find sources explaining the Inuit legend in "The Mussel Shell Armor of Apanupec," but only after checking several different spellings and finding out that his name is not spelled "Apanupec," but "Apanuugpak." Since Wikipedia doesn't seem to have a page for Apanuugpak, or at least not one that provides enough info to supplement the entry on the episode list, I want to add this source explaining the origins of the legend in the show and thus verifying the spelling as well.

I also want to note that the Season 3 episode "The Pearl Necklace of Gwalior" was actually talking about the Rani of Jhansi, while the artifact seemed to be completely imaginary. A similar situation occurred with several other episodes: Season 3's "The Enormous Feather of the Me Linh" refers to the Trung sisters, although I can't find evidence if the bird mentioned in the title is a real legend or fabricated for the episode; Season 2's "The Lucky Medallion of Atocha," focused on Pancho Villa; "The Plumed Headdress of Cosarara," talking about Ludwig II of Bavaria (and apparently his favorite horse, which is more likely to be named "Cosa Rara," or "precious thing" in Italian) and "The Stone Head of the Evil King," which is about the Greek legend of Perseus and Medusa. But I don't know what I could use as a source to cite any of this, short of a transcript of the respective episodes' legends. I'm assuming there's probably some copyright issue involved with doing that, so some help working this out would be nice. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.230.92.133 (talk) 08:04, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: GamerPro64 (talk) 01:34, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Looking through the article, I have seen un-referenced sections (i.e Episodes and some sentences in Main game), it doesn't comply with WP:MoS, and fails 3a as I saw a lack of a Development section and I think there should be more reviews in the Reception section. I'm gonna have to quick-fail the article. GamerPro64 (talk) 01:34, 1 March 2011 (UTC)