Talk:Libertas Schulze-Boysen

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Surname[edit]

The article refers to its subject inconsistently as "Libs" and "Libertas." After the initial mention, a person should be referred to by surname only. See MOS:SURNAME.--Elindstr (talk) 13:41, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Elindstr: I think I put a couple in, to differentiate her, from her husband. I plan to reorgise the article and will have a look. scope_creep^Talk 19:23, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

She should not be called "Schulze-Boysen" before her marriage. Her forename is "Libertas" and that is the way she is called in the Neue Deutsche Biographie. There is no reason for her being called "Libs" in this article. Noel S McFerran (talk) 15:32, 26 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Place of death / flags[edit]

The template on the right cited her place of death as “Plötzensee Prison, Berlin” and then included a small representation of the German flag at the time of her death, with the red ground, white disc, and Hakenkreuz. The result was an unfortunate crossing of wires: one effect of the flag, so placed, was to indicate where Libertas Schulze-Boysen died, but another was to stamp the précis of a life devoted, at its end, to resistance to the Nazis with a symbol they used to glorify themselves and their actions. As a form of remembrance, it seemed clumsy at best.

I’ve replaced the flags with the names of the countries, following the Mildred Fish-Harnack article in giving “Nazi Germany” as the country of death. But possibly it should be German Reich. – Aingotno (talk) 12:52, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Schulze-Boysen, Libertas or Libs?[edit]

She gets different appellations in different sections. 2A02:AA1:1602:D21B:4C14:2E13:B230:3D31 (talk) 08:13, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Her friends called her Libs; in wikipedia we should use Libertas. JimRenge (talk) 08:47, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've got the Silke Kettelhake bio and plan to work on it soon. The article isn't finished. I'll see what that says about it. It should be definitive as its specifically about her. It should say something about it. scope_creep^Talk 10:16, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

p.164 stopped[edit]

scope_creep^Talk 10:22, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Entire article needs additional detail from someone familiar with the subject[edit]

I've been editing the minor grammar and spelling problems that emerge from translating this text from German to English, but there are several statements in the text that just need additional elaboration. Things like the motivations of the people involved (if known), the sources of information, short explanations of, or links to, bureaucratic processes mentioned (for example, Libertas submitted an application to leave the Nazi party. What did that involve? Writing a letter? Filling out a form? Was there an official agency that handled it? I'm very curious and I'm sure other readers could be too), and short explanations of German customs and social norms of the time. This is a great article with lots of good information and with a little brushing up it could be perfect! Stopchewingyourcuticles (talk) 08:10, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Stopchewingyourcuticles: Great work. Thanks for updating the article!! I'm currently updating the article at the moment with the Silke Kettelhake biography. I've not really look at about a year and half but it being updated slowly. Unfortunately some of your updated may need to be reverted as they are not WP:MOS compliant, but the effort is really appreciated. I'll update the bits where it needed clarification. The links you added, one the "Der Gegner" I don't think is correct. I hadn't seen that link but it appears to be published between 1920 and 1922 whereas Der Gegner that harro worked on, was between 1932 and 1933. I tried to find in the German archives but couldn't see it, or link to it. It would have been great to link to the front page of one edition. The submission to leave the nazi party is still been updated. I'll expand. The Kettlehake book has a good bit on it. I bought the Kettelhake book because it had more on the resistance aspect that the two books I bought. It stared to mention she was coming apart at the seams due to the stress of the marriage and the situation she was in, but it didn't go into much in the way of detail. The Kettelhake seems to have this. Stopchewingyourcuticles, if you could stick around over the next 3 months as I update it, it would be great. To copyedit it now and again, and ask for clarifications and check it and so on. I needed somebody do it. The effort is really appreciated. scope_creep^Talk 08:23, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Scope creep Thank you very much, I will do my best to help. Please continue to let me know if I make any mistakes with Wikipedia formatting. I will not alter any of your information, I will just stick to localization into English grammar while preserving your material. Stopchewingyourcuticles (talk) 09:56, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'll study the Manual of Style and fix any errors I have made with formatting. Stopchewingyourcuticles (talk) 09:57, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Stopchewingyourcuticles: I'll ask for information on that confidential report that you asked for clarification on, to see if I can find out what its about and then update both articles with a description. scope_creep^Talk 08:37, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Stopchewingyourcuticles: I've sent a note to the Institute of contemporary history in Munich asking for help. scope_creep^Talk 09:22, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Scope creep That's very exciting! Thank you! Stopchewingyourcuticles (talk) 09:58, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Stopchewingyourcuticles: Don't use dates in this format, 20th and 2nd. I tried introduce that format back in the day and it completely rejected as not WP:MOS complaint. scope_creep^Talk 12:53, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Stopchewingyourcuticles, these will never have articles, for example Count Gustav Archibald Sigvart Douglas, that was the reason I removed the links. scope_creep^Talk 12:55, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

End of "Resistance" section contains weird loose ends and bits of text[edit]

There are several snippets of text at the end of the Resistance section that appear to be left over from an outline or notes made during the writing of the article. They have + signs attached to them so they may have been outline headings or chapter names. I don't want to edit them because I'm not sure who left them in there or what they mean. Is @Scope creep the original author of this article? If so, are the lost bits of text yours? Thank you! :) Stopchewingyourcuticles (talk) 08:15, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

An example of the kind of text I'm talking about: "+ Graudenz introduced 201 Ohler real + Introduce Annie Krauss as well." Stopchewingyourcuticles (talk) 08:16, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Leave them in at the moment please. I'll get to them soon. scope_creep^Talk 08:24, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Scope creep 👍 Stopchewingyourcuticles (talk) 09:57, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

old text[edit]

+ June 1941 marriage problems, job offers outside Berlin, Ohler 170 real

In 1941, Schulze-Boysen became an English language lecturer to teach translators the language.^[1]

scope_creep^Talk 20:49, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

^ Brysac 2000, p. 391.

[FOOTNOTEBrysac2000391-1] Brysac 2000, p. 391.

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