Talk:Libyan genocide

(wider definition of genocide) Based on the death toll and what the UN and other Arab historians said, the genocide should cover 1911-1943 no?

I think my revisions were good based on this fact. Or at the very least maybe the article should be made similar to the Bosnian genocide article where it states the total deaths of Libyans under Italian rule as (wider definition of genocide) alongside the death toll from 1929-1934. NuancedProwler (talk) 15:42, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Reliable sources?

Gaddafi's statement about 750,000 deaths is considered exaggerated; how can a propaganda be encyclopedic? Also, I don't understand why the sources I inserted about Angelo Del Boca's estimates have been removed, being him among the main scholars of Italian war crimes. Caffeinate Mac (talk) 19:23, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Angelo Del Boca’s figures are not reliable/usable here for a couple of reasons.

1. His figure of 100,000 doesn’t even cover the entire Italian colonial period (1911-1943) which is what is being covered in this article. His figure only covers 1922-1932, which closely aligns with the Second Italo-Senussi war (which you yourself inserted into the article when you made these unwarranted consensus-free edits btw), which has been covered here already. Del Boca’s figure at best can be cited within the 80k-120k scope of the 1929-34 period as in the article.

2. He is a biased Italian scholar, and especially when he claims 100k total deaths from 1922-1932 (which is an odd starting year). The UN estimated a minimum of 250k Libyan deaths from 1911-1943, therefore Del Boca’s figures are nullified. 2600:1012:B18B:25C2:F16C:6E5D:9340:C76 (talk) 20:02, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

The inclusion of Ghaddafi’s figure is a separate issue. However, you are not wrong to call it into question and open a discussion about it, that is what Wikipedia is about. If, keyword if, consensus is reached here that Ghaddafi’s figures are not reliable, then they will be removed and the death toll for 1911-43 will be placed at 250k-500k instead. That being said, please do not make anymore changes to the article until consensus is reached here. 2600:1012:B18B:25C2:F16C:6E5D:9340:C76 (talk) 20:10, 19 December 2023 (UTC)