Talk:Lip plate

Maybe we should mention the "Black Panther" movie somewhere? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.124.116.101 (talk) 23:21, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Why does the main photo for the page, show a woman NOT WEARING the disc?! This could be construed as a subtle attempt at bias. Suggest that this photo be incorporated into the body, and something more representative used for the main photo. Not this image exactly, but something similar should be used: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/337200834565636096/489573310448009216/unknown.png — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.124.116.101 (talk) 23:30, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Biased? What a joke. You must smoke some serious ganja if you think this is attractive. It's disgusting and not surprising that there aren't any pix of women who've got one of these things smiling. A) You cannot physically smile with this thing jammed into your lower lip B) Nobody smiles with a 1 lb plate stuck in their mouth. Hopefully it'll just die out as one of the millions of bad ideas forced on women around the world. Yeccch...

25cm?

Are a labret on 25cm (10") reasonable probable? I have a danish tekst which tell about a Lip plate on 50cm in diameter. I think as "diameter" and "circumference" are confused. As 25cm = 8cm and 50cm = 16cm. If the mouth is 5cm, a disc on 8cm is practicable, and disc about 15-16cm in diameter is a world record for Lip plates.Haabet 11:59, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

There's also a claim that lip plate diameters range "from about 8 cm to over 20 cm" (which is referenced, to a National Geographic article showing a woman with a 21–22 cm lip plate), but later the claim is made that the largest lip plate ever recorded was 19.5 cm in diameter (which reference the Guinness Book of World Records). I don't know which is correct, but as it stands the article contradicts itself. DBowie (talk) 00:16, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

'Lip plate, confused with Labret=

The source that is listed, is a reference to 'labrets', which includes lip rings, and piercings, not just 'plates'. I think it's misleading because those of Iran and the Balkans never used lip plates. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.196.88.228 (talk) 03:59, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Adding to this, the article mentions labrets in the north pacific rim multiple times, conflating them with the lip plates, which are I guess a specific type of labret. This first link shows many examples of labrets in the pacific rim, none of which were quite the same as lip plates http://staff.royalbcmuseum.bc.ca/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Syesis1981_14_59_80.pdf

There is archaelogical evidence that labrets were used in northern Japan as well, but this isn't mentioned in the article

This next link suggests that lip plates were indeed used, at least in Haida Gwaii http://web.prm.ox.ac.uk/bodyarts/index.php/permanent-body-arts/reshaping-and-piercing/157-pacific-nw-coast-mask-and-labrets.html

However, I was able to find much more evidence (including photographs, see the first link) of labrets below the lip rather than stretching out the lip as a lip plate. Anyone who knows more about this and can clarify where lip plates were used vs other kinds of labrets, that would improve the article greatly.

The article refers to labrets among the Haida, Tsimshian, and Tlingit as being worn only by women. There is certainly evidence of this for some people at some times, but archeological and other evidence suggests at other times men and women both wore labrets. La Salle, M. (2014). Labrets and their social context in coastal British Columbia. BC studies, no. e180, Winter 13/14.

Also, using and referring to Indigenous sources when including information about historical Indigenous cultural practices is vital to getting the information right. https://dspace.library.uvic.ca/bitstream/handle/1828/7293/Bell_Lucy_MA_2016.pdf?sequence=1

When it comes to Aleut and Inuit, there are many pictures showing two labrets (below the left and right side of the mouth) and other forms, but none of lip plates that I can find. This resource, again, has some detailed information on the types of labrets worn: http://staff.royalbcmuseum.bc.ca/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Syesis1981_14_59_80.pdf

65.95.160.200 (talk) 21:03, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

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