Talk:List of A-League champions

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Merge[edit]

I propose merging the champions and premiers lists. The two honours are very similar (each determined at the end of an A-League season). The League has been running for such a short time that articles will remain very short for a considerable amount of time. With pre-season cups, champions, premiers, and the mini-World Club Championship qualifier league before the main season last year, there should be enough information there to fill out a single article very nicely. -- Chuq 06:31, 6 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Support. I would also support a mergining of the NSL titles as well - perhaps into an Australia Football Championship page.Tancred 10:18, 6 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like a good idea, but we would have to call it "Australian football (soccer) championships" or something similar, to prevent the expected complaints. It's probably best just to have one for NSL and one for A-League -- Chuq 12:31, 6 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Support. No need for two pages. -- Wantok 04:00, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Support. I'm also liking the one 'Australian Champions' page idea. -[dM] 05:25, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Half-support. Don't like the "Australian champions" idea, as the NSL and the A-League are completely distinct entities. Do like the idea of one list with both premiers and champions, though. Maybe something like this:

Season	Champions	Runners-Up	Premiers	Runners-Up
2006-07	Melbourne Victory (1)	Adelaide United	Melbourne Victory (1)	Adelaide United
2005-06	Sydney FC (1)	Central Coast Mariners	Adelaide United (1)	Sydney FC

The Frederick 06:54, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cup Winners[edit]

Is it relevant to list the number of cup wins a team has accumulated through time if the competitions are not related ? Granted, I can certainly see the argument for the Premiership/Championship in terms of the progression from NSL to the A-League. I've generally seen this used when looking at competitions which have evolved over time, or club names have changed, but not for completely separate or independent competitions.

However, is there a link between the Australia Cup from the 1960s with the NSL Cup from the late 1970's ? Separate competitions.
Similarly, I do not believe there is a link between the A-League Pre-Season Challenge Cup and the current FFA Cup ; therefore to list Adelaide United in the FFA Cup section as having won their 3rd cup is quite misleading, and could become more so over time. Separate competitions.
I note there is additionally a list of total Cups won, which appears to contain that accumulated information anyway.
I also consider that this type of page should also collate Australia's club champions from the Oceania Club Championship and AFC Champions League. Matilda Maniac (talk) 23:30, 12 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I personally take the other side of the coin, but can completely see your side of it. Also, you bring up a good point about the NSL to A-League change in comparison to the Australia Cup, then the NSL Cup, then the FFA Cup. There isn't much of a link from the Australia Cup to the NSL Cup that I've found. The Australia Cup and the early NSL Cups had qualifiers seemingly based on their end of season positions with states receiving slots, similar to the FFA Cup. As for the later stages (prior to it being specifically for NSL clubs only), I have a feeling the qualifiers were more based upon each state's cup comps, however I could be completely wrong. The lack of information available for this is annoying.

Another unfortunate situation that we come across with these pages is that with a lot of the issues we come across, we're venturing into new territory. As you mentioned with the OFC/AFC Champions Leagues, we're the only country (from memory) who have had continental champions in two different confederations. If Sydney FC were to win the AFC Champions League, would that be counted as a (2) or a (1) next to their name. Ditto Perth Glory and the A-League, would their title win be counted as a (3) or a (1)? Both arguments are completely valid. Perhaps we could change the wording to show that "the number of overall national titles are shown in brackets" or something similar, in order to disambiguate as much as possible?

In short, we're left with trying to define three different issues. The national cup, which had lengthy breaks between each iteration and were indeed vastly different competitions; the national league, which was a lot closer in break-length and the changes between the competitions were a lot smaller and the continental cup, wherein we simply transferred from one confederation to another, with both competitions still existing to this day in the forms in which Australian teams won it last.

The only other piece of information I can add to this is that on the Club World Cup page, Australian qualifiers are listed together as Australian qualifiers, however South Melbourne and Sydney FC's entries are (rightfully so) shown as Oceanian entries, with Adelaide United and Western Sydney Wanderers' entries shown as Asian.

Finally, I completely agree with Matilda Maniac that the Pre-Season Challenge Cup and the FFA Cup aren't related. I feel as though while the Australia Cup, NSL Cup and FFA Cup were/are national cup competitions, the Pre-Season Cup is not at all, and is in fact just a glorified friendly comp... Sorry to only be adding more information to the mix, rather than adding a more valid opinion. - J man708 (talk) 12:17, 13 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Total titles?[edit]

Can somebody create a total titles winners list, made of of the combined Championships, Premierships and Cups won? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.144.11.58 (talk) 23:08, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Aus Womens Champions[edit]

If I ever am bored and get the time I would love to make a women's version of this page including the WNSL and W-League. TinTin (talk) 02:14, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The FFA Cup stats should be removed[edit]

So, I found this page after looking at List of English football champions. I realised it only displayed the league winners/champions, which makes sense for some reasons. When it says "Australian soccer champions", it obviously means the league winners. A domestic cup tournament victory is "winners" not "champions". This should only focus on league stats and winners. So can we remove the FFA Cup stats, so it all makes sense? --FastCube (talk) 13:51, 13 October 2020 (UTC)FastCube[reply]