Talk:List of Christ myth theory proponents

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The Denial of the Historicity of Jesus in Past and Present - historical review of some 35 major deniers of Jesus historicity.

Barnes, Harry Elmer (1929). "Was Jesus an Historic Figure?". The Twilight of Christianity. New York: Vanguard Press. p. 390f. Among the more eminent scholars and critics who have contended that Jesus was not an actual historical figure we mention Bruno Bauer, Kalthoff, Drews, Ste(u)del, Felde(n), Deÿe, Jensen, Lublinski, Bolland, Van de(n) Berg(h), Virolleaud, Couchoud, Massey, Bossi, Niemojewski, Brandes, Robertson, Mead, Whittaker, Carpenter and W. B. Smith.

  • Deÿe may have been an Assyriologist (Altorientalist, Orientalist, cf. George Smith) or else another name typo?

Per. translate.google.com:

74.138.106.1 (talk) 14:47, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I will add some of these if they have English Wikipedia articles and are notable. I think most of them have been covered. It is not possible to cover every obscure mythicist. For example I recently discovered a mythicist known as Don William Leet who wrote a virtually unknown paper Gautama, The Buddha; Jesus, The Christ, p. 489 "It is quite probable that "Christos" was originally a derivation of "Krishna" and that "Jesus" never lived, but that a certain Apollonius whose life paralleled the gospels account of Jesus, and who went to Egypt and India for instruction, was the physical basis for the Roman Christ-myth." (Open Court Journal, 1922) [1] but he has no Wikipedia article and I cannot find any information on him. I will add only notable proponents who have Wikipedia entries. This is a partial list and will never be complete. I have a big foot (talk) 16:36, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
It would be interesting to know who Deÿe was. I have a big foot (talk) 16:36, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Over at the talk page for the Christ myth theory article, several people were mentioned: Kenneth Atchity, Francesco Carotta, and Joseph Atwill but I am not sure if these individuals would classify as Christ myth theory proponents. They seem to be saying that the historical Jesus was based on someone else. I have a big foot (talk) 16:42, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
"Table 2: Contemporary Mythicist Authors -- WHO's WHO: Mythicists and Mythicist Agnostics (Updated 28 June 2015)". Vridar. 27 September 2014.
  • The Gospel Jesus figure was based on someone else: Joe Atwill (Emperor Titus); Francesco Carotta (Julius Caesar); Lena Einhorn (‘The Egyptian’); Stephan Huller (Herod Agrippa I); Roger Parvus (Simon Magus/Paul); Daniel Unterbrink (Judas the Galilean); Charles O. Wilson (Alexander Jannaeus)
74.138.106.1 (talk) 19:27, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

~Sam Harris

~David Fitzgerald

~Kenneth Humphreys

~Richard Carrier

~Robert M. Price

~Earl Doherty

~Frank R. Zindler

~W. H. Uffington

~Thomas L. Brodie

~Thomas L. Thompson

~Harold Leidner

~Timothy Freke and Peter Gandy

~Raphael Lataster

~D. M. Murdock - Acharya S

~Christopher Hitchens

~Arthur Drews

~George R. Dekle, Sr.

~Matthew S. Mccormick

~Tom Harpur

~John G. Jackson

~John W. Loftus

~Rene Salm

~Guy P. Harrison

~John E. Remsburg

~Robert G Ingersoll

~Daniel C. Dennett

~Bertrand Russell

~Albert Schweitzer

~George Albert Wells

~Tim C. Leedom

~Alexander Jacob

~Sir James George Frazer

~Joseph Klausner

~Hermann Samuel Reimarus

~Francois Marie Arouet (Voltaire)

~Count Constantine Volney

~Edward Evanson

~Reverend Robert Taylor

~Ralph Waldo Emerson

~Mitchell Logan

~Ferdinand Christian Baur

~David Friedrich Strauss

~Bruno Bauer

~Kersey Graves

~Alvin Boyd Kuhn

~E. A. Wallis Budge

~Godfrey Higgins

~Gerald Massey

~Salomon Reinach

~Édouard Dujardin

~Charles-François Dupuis

~Rudolf Bultmann

~Georges Ory

~ Emilio Bossi (pseudonym of Milesbo)

~Solomon Zeitlin

~Charles Bradlaugh

~Ernest Renan

~Walter Cassels

~Allard Pierson

~Bronson C. Keeler

~Abraham Dirk Loman

~Thomas William Doane

~Samuel Adrianus Naber

~Edwin Johnson

~Rudolf Steck

~Franz Hartman

~Willem Christiaan van Manen

~Joseph McCabe

~Wilhelm Wrede

~Albert Kalthoff

~George Robert Stowe Mead

~Thomas Whittaker

~William Benjamin Smith

~Gerardus Bolland

~Prosper Alfaric

~Peter Jensen

~Mangasar Magurditch Mangasarian

~Karl Kautsky

~John Robertson

~Gustaaf Adolf van den Bergh van Eysinga

~Alexander Hislop

~Edward Carpenter

~Paul-Louis Couchoud

~Georg Brandes

~Joseph Wheless

~Henri Delafosse

~L. Gordon Rylands

~Herbert Cutner

~Georges Las Vergnas

~Guy Fau

~John Allegro

~Jean Magne

~Max Rieser

~Abelard Reuchlin

~Karlheinz Deschner

~Hermann Detering

~Gary Courtney

~Michael Kalopoulos

~Gerd Lüdemann

~Alvar Ellegard

~Hal Childs

~Michael Hoffman

~Dennis MacDonald

~Burton Mack

~Luigi Cascioli

~Israel Finkelstein, Neil Silbermann

~Daniel Unterbrink

~Michel Onfray

~Jay Raskin

~Jan Irvin, Andrew Rutajit

~Roger Viklund

~Sid Martin

~Samuel Lublinski

~Archibald Robertson

~Albert Bayet

~Charles Guignebert

~Joseph Turmel

~Hannen Swaffer

~Harry Elmer Barnes

~Charles Virolleaud

~Constantin François de Chassebœuf, comte de Volney

~Emil Felden

~Tony Bushby

~Michael O. Wise

~Arthur M. Rothstein

~Frank Dobbins

~R.G. Price

~Klaus Schilling

~Andrzej Niemojewski

~Livio C. Stecchini & Jan Sammer

~Abelard Reuchlin

~Paul-Eric Blanrue

~C. Dennis McKinsey

~Friedrich Nork (pen name Zelig Kohn)

~Gilbert T. Sadler

~Thomas Paine

74.138.106.1 (talk) 21:54, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the three lists. The first mythicist timeline you cited is the most accurate [2], most of those names are cited. I see many of the main individuals have been covered but we need reliable references for the rest. In regard to the third list I am not sure if Sam Harris, Daniel C. Dennett, Christopher Hitchens support the idea Jesus was a fictional character, that is probably an inaccurate description. I could be wrong but are there any references for that? I have not seen any. As for John W. Loftus, John G. Jackson, Robert G. Ingersoll, Sir James George Frazer, Ralph Waldo Emerson, Charles Bradlaugh, Joseph McCabe, George R. Dekle, Sr., Charles Guignebert, they have all criticized elements of Christianity in their writings but they were not mythicists. I have a big foot (talk) 23:36, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Joseph Klausner and Archibald Robertson both criticized the Christ myth theory in their publications, they were not proponents. As for Hermann Samuel Reimarus, Ernest Renan, Edward Evanson, Rudolf Bultmann, William Wrede, Alexander Hislop, Karlheinz Deschner, Hermann Detering, Gerd Lüdemann and Burton L. Mack they have all made high criticisms of the Bible but not a single one of them "helped discover and document that jesus was a fictional character". None of those individuals denied an historical Jesus so in conclusion that list has many mistakes. It is good for criticisms of the Bible but it is not an accurate mythicist list. It is best to stick to what the reliable sources say. I have a big foot (talk) 00:28, 2 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The JBM list is just straight rip, and does contain non-mythicists, the linked web page has detailed info for each scholar.
The Mythicist Papers web page list also contains non-mythicists, and only those noted as (Semi-Myth) or (Myth) might be actual mythicists.
The Church and State web page list contains: Albert Schweitzer, Joseph McCabe and David Friedrich Strauss — Bart Ehrman declares his alignment with Schweitzer i.e. both are historicists, but Ehrman notes that scholars like McCabe are often called mythicists [Ehrman (2012), pp. 19, 348, n. 10.] and everybody calls Strauss a Christ myth theorist, while noting that he is a historicist. – 74.138.106.1 (talk) 00:40, 2 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Based on what I have seen there are only a few mythicists not covered on the list I created. These are Daniel Massé, Guy Fau, Georges Las Vergnas and E. Moutier-Rousset. Two of them have French Wikipedia entries. Problem is little to no English sources for these people exist. It is unlikely they will ever end up on this Wikipedia per lack of sources. Two notable mythicists who should be added are Prosper Alfaric and Luigi Cascioli. I guess will have to create their articles. I have a big foot (talk) 01:04, 2 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Also Herbert Cutner 1881-1969 (author of Jesus: God, Man or Myth?, 1950). I have a big foot (talk) 01:15, 2 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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