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Ian Beale Removal

Adam Woodyatt has appeared on the One Show and confirmed that his character wouldn't be seen until "2022 at the earliest". There is no reason to keep this character on the current character list when he has left and there aren't any plans to bring him back any time soon. The official EE site removed him from the cast list too. Connorguy99 (talk) 19:47, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

To be honest I agree – or at least for there to be a note DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 19:49, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

Oh hell no. We are not going to start a part 2 to that edit war you started. WikiFlame50 (talk) 10:28, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Adam woodyatt still never stated that Ian would be gone for good. Therefore Ian’s character must stay. We aren’t starting another war WikiFlame50 (talk) 10:30, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

It does not matter if that character is gone for good. We should not be keeping characters on the list when they might not appear on the show for years on end. There is a difference between this type of break and maternity leave where there is a set return time. Connorguy99 (talk) 12:57, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

The statements made by Woodyatt show that he is not contracted to the show at present time and has a choice about whether to return but is choosing to do other things. If this character is allowed to remain why don't we put Dot Branning back on the list? He has left for the time being. Connorguy99 (talk) 13:03, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Still. We are not removing him. His character is not gone permanently. We are not starting another edit war WikiFlame50 (talk) 14:55, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Who do you think you're trying to talk to for the entire site? This discussion is happening. There will be no edit war as I have learned not to stoop to your level. Connorguy99 (talk) 15:48, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

I won’t even argue with you because we all know what to expect from you. And for the record. It was you that started the war not I. WikiFlame50 (talk) 16:50, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

It was you. The character of Ian has left, and the official EE cast list even removed him (which they don't do unless the actor is no longer contracted). Connorguy99 (talk)

If he is removed from the present characters (which I agree with since he is not present), he should be moved to the returning characters since he has stated a return year. – DarkGlow • 17:41, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Let’s just leave Ian in the characters list. The characters only gone on a break temporarily. If it was permanent then he would be removed and eventually put in returning if he was coming back. But since it’s not permanent it’s not necessary WikiFlame50 (talk) 19:29, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Three people want him removed, so why are you still acting like you speak for everyone? This is a list of current characters, Ian is not currently on the show nor is the actor contracted. The actor has expressed an interest in returning but does not know when that will happen and it wont be any time soon. Connorguy99 (talk) 20:23, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

As most are in agreement I shall be removing Ian soon. Connorguy99 (talk) 13:57, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

You really shouldn’t. Don’t you remember what happened last time? WikiFlame50 (talk) 15:02, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Yes, you initiated an edit war. But here we can clearly see that three people are in agreement with the change while only you are against it. I shall be making the change now. Connorguy99 (talk) 18:20, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

• sigh* always with the blaming. Whatever I won’t bother arguing with you anymore because I don’t want anymore time wasted with you. But if you get yourself blocked again, it’s nobody else’s fault but yours. WikiFlame50 (talk) 20:20, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

I won't be blocked because this is the correct move, as it was back when you kept reverting it. Connorguy99 (talk) 20:21, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

I’m just saying. If people start reverting it and have their own reasons. You’ll be the one on thin ice since every edit war culprit are the ones who start the specific editing like you did last time. WikiFlame50 (talk) 20:24, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Unless if that first edit is considered disruptive. WikiFlame50 (talk) 20:26, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

I've vocalised my support once, but I'll do it again in more detail this time. This is a list of present characters. Ian is not present. If this was a list of cast members, it would be fine to list him since Woodyatt is on a break. However, this list refers only to present in-universe characters, and Ian is not that. – DarkGlow • 10:47, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

It seems like people are intentionally ignoring the fact that this was discussed fully and everyone but a single person agreed to the change because... he is not present. WikiFlame50 seems to be distributing the Wiki to force his own way - is there a way to report someone for doing this? Connorguy99 (talk) 11:04, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Look fine I’ll stop!!! But if you get blocked again, it’s nobody’s fault like I mentioned. WikiFlame50 (talk) 11:08, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

It’s people like you who set me off. The written communication and certain phrasing that you use set my ASD side off. I cannot help none of that. I’ll just lay back. WikiFlame50 (talk) 11:10, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

You're intentionally lying to get your own way. You messaged Black Kite and lied about nobody having agreed with me despite the fact that DarkGlow and DaniloDaysOfOurLives can clearly be seen to agree with me in full. Enacting a personal vendetta against me is one thing but to intentionally ignore and invalidate other people's comments is a step too far! Connorguy99 (talk) 11:12, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

OKAY OKAY I GET IT DUDE!!! I only messaged Black kite for advice WikiFlame50 (talk) 11:16, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

If you get it, good. That's it over and done with. If you want the change reverted start the discussion again and see if people agree with you. Connorguy99 (talk) 11:17, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

On this occasion, I agree with Connorguy99 - Woodyatt stated in a televised interview that he would not be returning until 2022. Whether we should list him in the returning character’s section is debatable as no set date has been given for a return as of yet. RM-Taylor (talk) 00:47, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Look he got what he wanted. Let’s just leave it now WikiFlame50 (talk) 15:26, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Your attitude is absolutely appalling. Stop ordering people about and trying to control every discussion and conversation. You literally complained that no proper discussion had taken place (despite the fact it had) and lied about nobody agreeing with me, but when people continue to join the discussion and agree you take issue. Connorguy99 (talk) 16:50, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Can someone add Terry to the list? He’s appeared WikiFlame50 (talk) 19:49, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

I've made an edit request for this point. Should soon be done.81.96.173.80 (talk) 19:54, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

And Connor. Just stop being so rude to me. I do not appreciate your accusations. All I was trying to say was “leave it” so this discussion doesn’t need to go any further and that no more arguments will erupt. Stop accusing me. WikiFlame50 (talk) 19:52, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Seriously. Can we just close this discussion already? It’s now just a war zone of arguments and insults. Ian’s been removed and thats got a valid reason why. I get it. But all that there is now is nothing but fighting. Can we just stop now? It’s getting pretty old now. Lets just all agree that we wait till Ian arrives again at some point in 2022. WikiFlame50 (talk) 19:55, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 18 May 2021

Terry Cant has now appeared onscreen so can somebody please add him to the regular characters section of the list? 81.96.173.80 (talk) 19:52, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

 Done – had to get the admin who I got to protect the page to unprotect it, so I was waiting for that. – DarkGlow • 20:17, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

I see. Fair enough. Thanks anyway.81.96.173.80 (talk) 20:49, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Characters on breaks

Heaving read the discourse surrounding whether or not to remove Ian from the current character roster, it got me thinking. For characters still technically present in the show but whose actors are currently away on breaks, is it worth making notes next to their names marking them as such. I won't count Ian in this since that's already a discussion that's been had, but such an idea would apply to current characters like Stacey, since Lacey Turner is away on maternity leave. Likewise, when Linda and Ruby leave (provided Ruby's doesn't turn out to be permanent), the same would apply to them. Is this something that should be considered? TheRowdyruffBoys (talk) 23:24, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

I actually made a similar discussion earlier this year, but not enough people commented on this. I fully support notes next to characters who are on breaks. DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 01:35, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 October 2021

Can someone add Aaron Monroe to the current characters list? He has made his first onscreen appearance. 81.96.173.80 (talk) 01:18, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. You'll need to provide the full information for the list, as I have no idea who this is. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:58, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

The character of Aaron Monroe has now appeared in the programme. His name should be added at the bottom of the current characters list as the most recent new regular character. There was a source when he was listed in the character changes section at the bottom of the page. I don't know where it has gone but it was there and has now disappeared. I will try and find it.81.96.173.80 (talk) 11:08, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Here's one source, announcing the character's casting. It was on the main page in the cast changes section. I got this one from the character's section from the 2021 EastEnders characters page.[1]

Here's another. This one is from after the episode aired.[2]

2021 tenures

At some point, I'll be introducing "–present" to this article in the same way I did on the Hollyoaks and Emmerdale articles; this is to comply with MOS:DATETOPRES. However, it is always a discussion as to which is preferred for the 2021 tenures: "since 2021" or just "2021"; currently, both of the aforementioned articles use "since 2021" but I want to hear if there any counterarguments for this. – DarkGlow • 11:09, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 November 2021

If nobody can find a source that confirms the surname of Kim's daughter Mica as "Fox", why not remove the surname and only have her listed on here as "Mica" until confirmed otherwise? 82.13.176.207 (talk) 16:54, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: The page's protection level has changed since this request was placed. You should now be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:24, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Page protection request

Some IPs are constantly reverting my edits regarding to Adam Woodyatt and the show. Thinking that he’s 100% confirmed that he’s quit for good when no reliable sources have said so. I’m afraid an edit war may start. Woodyatt has recently said on IAC that they needed him to take a break and he wanted to try do a panto and stated the break “just got longer” and he never said that hes 100% quit. I think protection is needed WikiFlame50 (talk) 23:57, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

It’s getting out of control. Please protect it!!! WikiFlame50 (talk) 16:38, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

YOU are the one vandalising. Your links do not state that this character is returning, they state that IF he was to return it wouldn't be until mid-2022. Just because an actor hasn't said they've 100% gone doesn't mean that they can be placed in the returning section! Leticia Dean hadn't officially quit in 2006 but wasn't seen again until 2012. Stop the vandalism WikiFlame50. Connorguy99 (talk) 16:44, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Why is WikiFlame allowed to vandalise the page without being punished? There is no evidence that Adam Woodyatt is returning, so why does this user keep adding that he is? The links given only stated that if Adam returned it wouldn't be until mid-2022, nowhere does it state that he IS returning. Ban this user and remove the page protection, please. Connorguy99 (talk) 16:41, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 14 December 2021

Tiffany Butcher and Liam Butcher need removing from the present characters as they have departed from the series (see source here). They also need to be removed from the departing characters section, which needs to be hidden (like the future characters section) as it should now be empty. – DarkGlow • 21:07, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Liam and Tiffany departed in tonight's episode so they can be removed from the list and put in the past characters section. 82.13.176.207 (talk) 22:51, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

I didn't realize the above edit request had been made when I posted this one.82.13.176.207 (talk) 01:16, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Liam and Tiffany still haven't been taken off the page. They have been rightly added to the past characters section but they still need to be removed from this page.82.13.176.207 (talk) 16:24, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

The page still hasn't been updated. Why is this?82.13.176.207 (talk) 16:36, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

The article has been fully protected, so only admins can edit it and they're probably busy with more important tasks. - JuneGloom07 Talk 19:38, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

If that is the case, is there any way of flagging it up or bringing it to their attention? Or should we just wait for them to notice?82.13.176.207 (talk) 20:54, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

The request means that it's been placed in Category:Wikipedia fully-protected edit requests. That means an admin will hopefully see it and action it at some point. – DarkGlow • 21:22, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

It's been sorted now. Looks like you were correct.82.13.176.207 (talk) 18:22, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

I sorted it! As the page is no longer protected, so I was able to edit it :) DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 19:31, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

I requested that the page be unprotected so it could be done. – DarkGlow • 19:42, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. Both of you. Well done.82.13.176.207 (talk) 17:33, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

DCI Peter Arthurs

Someone needs to add a source for DCI Peter Arthurs. He currently doesn't have one. I tried removing him from this list but was given a warning for doing so even though I was led to believe that unsourced material is removed. Can someone please remedy this?82.13.176.207 (talk) 16:30, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

 Done I've removed him since his storyline has concluded. You're correct in thinking that unsourced material should be removed. – DarkGlow • 17:34, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. I thought so. I just wanted to double check.82.13.176.207 (talk) 20:43, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Martha Cope

Confused about Martha's character Sandy Gibson. Was led to believe she was a regular and actually liked her in the xmas eps last yr. But there's been no word of her since. Like Jon Sen said she was a brilliant addition to the show. Great actress! 2.99.167.11 (talk) 16:31, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

Ruby Allen

It appears that Louisa Lytton's maternity leave is similar to that of Helen Flanagan/Brooke Vincent's, where they never returned to the show following it. The character has been gone for six months now and Louisa has revealed that there are no immediate plans for her to return (if ever)[3]. Compare this to someone like Kellie Bright's maternity leave where we have always known that she will be returning, and she actually appeared for scenes amongst her departure. I think Ruby should be removed from the list for the time being and potentially readded if her return is confirmed. Connorguy99 (talk) 11:41, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Well she was taken off but now she has been readded to the list. I don't know what the site's official stance on Lytton is.150.143.113.245 (talk) 00:04, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

I agree that Lytton should be removed from the list. With the wording on her "potential return", that reads to me as she has exited until she chooses to return, so she's not present. – DarkGlow • 08:05, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Indeed. I don't know who decided to put her back or why.150.143.113.245 (talk) 14:07, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Removed her. Connorguy99 (talk) 01:47, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Good idea.147.147.193.136 (talk) 15:33, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

In case there are future objections I will note that the BBC cast list has removed Ruby too. Connorguy99 (talk) 18:10, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Also a good idea.83.216.133.186 (talk) 22:43, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 6 June 2022

Noname8885 (talk) 17:31, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

Add Danielle Harold (Lola Pearce) to departing characters.

She is departing Noname8885 (talk) 17:31, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

Her exit is, as of yet, unconfirmed by BBC. – DarkGlow • 17:49, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

Refs column

Why does the references column on the present regular characters table need to be so wide?83.216.133.186 (talk) 13:12, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Lots of unnecessary changes recently. Why do we need 'present' in the durations when the previous year- was adequate enough to indicate current status. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C7:C0A0:B01:7D56:42B2:65A6:80BC (talk) 16:07, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

I have no opinion on the reference column but "–present" must remain per MOS:DATETOPRES. – DarkGlow • 18:22, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

I think it could be reduced. It does seem comically big for one or two refs. - JuneGloom07 Talk 02:01, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

I agree about the durations ending in the word "present". I thought that was an unnecessary change but I guess we will just have to grudgingly accept it if it is the website rules. I thought durations ending as 2002– would make it pretty obvious that the characters were present ones, particularly if they were in the present characters section. 83.216.133.186 (talk) 23:35, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

The References column has now been shortened back to a reasonable size. Thanks to whoever did this. It looks a lot better.83.216.133.186 (talk) 22:35, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

Taking this discussion as a consensus that the references column can stay at 10. I too see no reason for it to be bigger or smaller. – DarkGlow • 22:40, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

Indeed. It seems like the most logical thing to do. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.216.133.186 (talk) 22:31, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 7 June 2022

Some new characters will be arriving in the future. --Annamargarita0 (talk) 09:59, 7 June 2022 (UTC) Annamargarita0 (talk) 09:59, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

 Not done I can't see how pasting that statement in to the article will improve it, especially without context as to why it is relevant, and without a reference. — xaosflux ^Talk 13:55, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

Agree with this. When these new characters castings are announced then they can be added to the list.83.216.133.186 (talk) 14:01, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 6 June 2022 (2)

Three more characters have now been announced as joining the show. Mitch Baker's brother and his two sons, Mitch's nephews. The source is on Digital Spy. Can someone please add them on here? 83.216.133.186 (talk) 21:11, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

 Not done to process an edit request put the exact edit you would make, as if you could edit the article, here - along with directions for exactly where it should be inserted to the article. — xaosflux ^Talk 13:56, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

I would have made the edit myself but I can't because the page is semi-protected. That is why I was asking if someone who had the right to edit could do it instead.83.216.133.186 (talk) 14:00, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

Here is the source/reference. [4] Does this help?83.216.133.186 (talk) 14:01, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

I have the edit request again directly further down the page. I apologize for not getting it right the first time.83.216.133.186 (talk) 21:13, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 7 June 2022 (2)

Three new characters will be joining EastEnders. Their names are Avery Baker, Felix Baker and Finlay Baker. Avery is the brother of Mitch Baker and Felix and Finlay are his sons, Mitch's nephews. The actors are called Omar Lye-Fook (Avery), Matthew Morrison (Felix) and Ashley Byam (Finlay). Here is the source/reference detailing their casting. [5] Please can someone who is allowed to edit this page add them to the list? 83.216.133.186 (talk) 20:51, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

So, are these characters going to be added to the list then?83.216.133.186 (talk) 17:01, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

Can someone please add the source I have highlighted about the three new characters and add them to the list. It still hasn't been done. 83.216.133.186 (talk) 21:29, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

It still hasn't been added yet. Why is this?83.216.133.186 (talk) 14:16, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. A09090091 (talk) 15:40, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

I did. Here it is again. [6]

Protected edit request on 10 June 2022

Four characters have been announced as leaving the show. Peter Beale played by Dayle Hudson, Jada Lennox played by Kelsey Calladine-Smith, Stuart Highway played by Ricky Champ and Dana Monroe played by Barbara Smith. They have all been written out of the show by the new producer. Here is the source. [7] Can somebody please add it to the page? 83.216.133.186 (talk) 17:31, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protecting the page does make it harder for legitimate edits like this one and the one above to be made.83.216.133.186 (talk) 18:02, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. A09090091 (talk) 15:41, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

Well here’s one. https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/soaps/eastenders/eastenders-axes-peter-dana-stuart-jada-newsupdate/ LordBossMaster100 (talk) 15:50, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

Indeed. And the source I added above, this one [8] from Digital Spy, does that not count as a reliable source?83.216.133.186 (talk) 18:33, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

It’s all over the web and surprisingly absolutely nobody has added it! LordBossMaster100 (talk) 15:51, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

Agreed. There must be several sources about this story and cast changes but we are not being allowed to add them.83.216.133.186 (talk) 18:32, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

The page was fully protected until 21:56 (UTC). - JuneGloom07 Talk 22:21, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

That's a relief. All the relevant sources and character changes have been added now. The list is fully updated.83.216.133.186 (talk) 22:24, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

Page protection

I seriously think this page needs to be protected. IPs are going at the page frantically with unsourced edits regarding Lola. But i think it should be auto confirmed users only instead of completely nobody. LordBossMaster100 (talk) 13:46, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

Can we just agree that Lola should not be added unless if an article shows up with her name mentioned and reliable quotes from the staff? LordBossMaster100 (talk) 13:47, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

I requested protection here a couple of hours ago. Waiting for a response / action. The IP activity on this page is too much. – DarkGlow • 14:21, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

If the protection is accepted, will this be confirmed users only? And not IPs? LordBossMaster100 (talk) 15:27, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

Yes, that's the protection I've asked for. – DarkGlow • 15:35, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

I reckon as of now. Just watch the page. Unreliable sources will keep on coming. It should only be accepted if it’s very recent, a good site and if it’s full of official confirmation from BBC officials and especially Danielle. LordBossMaster100 (talk) 15:33, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

I would like to add something, anyone who changes the content should now be seen as disruptive and not a good faith misinterpretation, users in question were warned and one user even blanked the message, basically confirming that they have seen it. Blanchey (talk) 15:52, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

Exactly LordBossMaster100 (talk) 16:14, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

That arrogant Ip is being disruptive again. The one who removes messages and doesn’t give a toss. Something needs to be done LordBossMaster100 (talk) 17:34, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

Jaz Deol

I just noticed this. During the credits when an episode finishes and if Jaz has been onscreen, his name underneath his character says "Jaz Singh Deol" shouldn’t his name therefore be amended and changed to that since it’s how he’s credited on the show? LordBossMaster100 (talk) 13:47, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

I think so yes, let’s see what other editors think first :) Blanchey (talk) 17:07, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Patrick and alfie

Patrick and Alfie need switching around so that the years are in order 86.171.198.203 (talk) 15:50, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

 Done Blanchey 💬 • 📝 16:03, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 July 2022

Avery Baker's death scene has aired in tonight's episode. Here is a source confirming it. [9] Can somebody please update the list and removed Avery and place him in the past characters section? 147.147.193.156 (talk) 19:56, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

 Done Blanchey 💬 • 📝 20:21, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks.147.147.193.156 (talk) 23:02, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 August 2022

The list needs updating. Mo Harris has made her onscreen return in tonight's episode. 87.114.2.209 (talk) 21:43, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 22:03, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

[10] Here is an image from Wednesday's EastEnders episode clearly showing Mo Harris being back. Is this clear enough?87.114.2.209 (talk) 00:20, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

Ricky Butcher return

It has been stated that Ricky Butcher is returning. The Sun printed the original story and I know that Sun sources are not used here anymore as they are unreliable but Digital Spy also have an article about it here. [11] The Daily Mirror also printed an article about it. [12] What should Wikipedia do?87.114.2.209 (talk) 21:39, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

It looks like someone added the Digital Spy source already. That answers my question.87.114.2.209 (talk) 22:13, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

Sam Mitchell departure

The page is stating that Sam Mitchell is leaving but the source used does not say that. It is about her return and does not say that it is not permanent. The source is not relevant to the point it is making.87.114.2.209 (talk) 17:57, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

I don't think Sam is leaving. It was just speculation from the Metro.87.114.2.209 (talk) 22:41, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 August 2022

Can somebody find a more appropriate source to confirm whether or not Sam Mitchell is definitely leaving the show again? The one being used does not do this and it needs to be centered as well. 87.114.2.209 (talk) 18:07, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for sorting it. I don't think the source from Metro claiming she was leaving actually confirmed that. It was just speculation.87.114.2.209 (talk) 22:41, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

 Already done As IP has noted, seems relevant edits have been reverted. Closing out request... —Sirdog (talk) 22:43, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

Frankie Lewis

Rose Ayling-Ellis has quit the show. [13]87.114.2.209 (talk) 13:15, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

 Done Blanchey (talk) 13:25, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

Lewis Butler

According to this Digital Spy article and the actor, Lewis's last appearance was tonight's episode. [14]87.114.2.209 (talk) 22:06, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

 Done Blanchey (talk) 13:27, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 August 2022

The source that states that Dana and Jada are leaving in the cast changes/departing characters section, can somebody please centre it in the column? It looks wonky. 87.114.2.209 (talk) 15:23, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

 Done ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:40, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. I would have done it myself if it was possible.87.114.2.209 (talk) 16:51, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 September 2022

The previous actors who played Freddie Mitchell need to be added to the list as well. 87.114.2.209 (talk) 19:52, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:54, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Can somebody please add the previous actors who played Freddie Mitchell to the list? I would do it myself if the page wasn't semi-protected. Is that better?87.114.2.209 (talk) 21:27, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Freddie Slater Here is a link to Freddie's page which clearly states the names of the child actors who played him during his first stint on the show.87.114.2.209 (talk) 22:42, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

I am currently trying to add it, although I find this particular thing quite difficult so I may take some time. Also, as @ScottishFinnishRadish says above, it’s so much easier when you explain EXACTLY what needs to change. In this case for example, it would have been better to say ‘Please add ‘Alex and Tom Kilby’ to Freddie Slater’s previous actors.’ Thanks, have a great day! Blanchey (talk) 08:05, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

I'll add them. – Meena • 09:03, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, Meena, that’s very kind. Blanchey (talk) 10:29, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

Apologies. I'll try and make myself clearer next time.87.114.2.209 (talk) 15:20, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

No worries! I understand it’s difficult getting used to everything here when you are new, I personally recommend that you create yourself an account so that you have more freedom in what you do. If you do, feel free to drop me a message on my talk page and I’d be happy to help where I can. If you set the account up and decide you don’t want to use it, simply just stop using it. Blanchey (talk) 16:13, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

Mo Harris

Do we know if Mo Harris will be making any more appearances? The reason I ask is because she was just back for a guest appearance with Jean in Southend over the summer but Jean has now arrived home in Walford so I was wondering if Mo's brief return had concluded?87.114.2.209 (talk) 21:52, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

@87.114.2.209 yes, there were photos shown of her at Phil and Kats wedding which has not yet been aired. Blanchey (talk) 22:00, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

OK. Thanks for clarifying.87.114.2.209 (talk) 12:57, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

You’re welcome! Blanchey (talk) 14:37, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

Has Mo left again now that the wedding episodes have aired? If so can someone remove her from the list again?87.114.2.209 (talk) 20:33, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

So is Mo leaving after Frankie then? That's what the cast changes section says.87.114.2.209 (talk) 14:29, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 September 2022

Can somebody please remove Mo Harris from the present characters section and place her in the past characters section please? I believe her return scenes have now all aired and she has left the show again. 87.114.2.209 (talk) 14:45, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. --Ferien (talk) 17:07, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

I was trying to establish on here whether Mo had left or not, in the above section titled "Mo Harris". I didn't receive any answers.87.114.2.209 (talk) 21:14, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

I don’t think she’s left yet. We’ll wait until kat and Phil’s rearranged wedding since she may appear there but if not, I guess we can start to look for a source. Blanchey (talk) 06:44, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Fair enough. I wasn't even sure if the rearranged wedding was going to happen or not.87.114.2.209 (talk) 13:34, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 October 2022

It has now been confirmed that Colin Russell, Barry Clark, Lofty Holloway, Mary Smith and Disa O'Brien are all returning for Dot's funeral. Here is the source. [15] Can somebody please add it and them to the page, in the returning characters section? 87.114.2.209 (talk) 21:28, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

 Already done MadGuy7023 (talk) 12:22, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

Indeed. I saw.87.114.2.209 (talk) 12:54, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 October 2022

Can somebody please centre the source link for the characters returning for Dot's funeral in the returning characters box? It needs to be in the middle of the column and not on the left hand side. 87.114.2.209 (talk) 08:20, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

 Done MadGuy7023 (talk) 12:22, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks.87.114.2.209 (talk) 12:55, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

You, sir, are very welcome. MadGuy7023 (talk) 13:17, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

Or should I say madam? Whoever you may be! MadGuy7023 (talk) 13:20, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

Sir.87.114.2.209 (talk) 19:13, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 November 2022

Can someone centre the source about new character Don and format it properly please, so it looks like the others? 87.114.2.209 (talk) 19:13, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

 Done Aoidh (talk) 03:07, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 November 2022

Can someone please add Sam Mitchell's ex-fiancé Don to the present recurring characters list? His first appearance onscreen was in tonight's episode. 146.199.123.186 (talk) 20:21, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

 Done — RachelRice (talk, contribs) — 21:13, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks.146.199.123.186 (talk) 21:51, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 November 2022

Could somebody please format the source for Reiss Colwell's casting so it is displayed correctly on the page? 51.7.250.59 (talk) 00:52, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

 Done -- 5 albert square (talk) 01:45, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks.80.189.177.77 (talk) 00:15, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 December 2022

Can somebody please centre the source announcing Jada Lennox's return so it is aligned with the others on the page? Thanks. 80.189.177.77 (talk) 17:45, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

 Done — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 08:13, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks.80.189.177.77 (talk) 00:15, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 December 2022

Here is a source for Keanu Taylor's return. [16] Can somebody please add it to the References box for his character? 80.189.177.77 (talk) 22:04, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: The page's protection level has changed since this request was placed. You should now be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. Lemonaka (talk) 18:45, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Sorry. Didn't realize. I'll get on it now.80.189.177.77 (talk) 01:16, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

Actors section on current cast

Hi, I think it would make the present character section cleaner if it only had the current actor that plays that character. The previous actors are listed on the character page, I find it useless information for it to be on both. Maybe this is something that can be done? 80.195.25.3 (talk) 16:07, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

I am fully in support of this (and actually came to post it myself). It feels like extra information for the sake of information but it is confusing and alienating to non-regular Wikipedia viewers. Someone who isn't familiar with the site wouldn't be able to differentiate between the actors listed next to Amy Mitchell for example as none have page links and so there is no way to determine which actor played the character previously or currently without knowing how the page works (most recent actor first) which isn't explained anywhere.

This is a current character page so only the current actor being listed makes sense. Connorguy99 (talk) 20:02, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

Oppose firstly, the format is stated within the lead of the article. The former actors are important to include as for those unfamiliar with the subject, the reader may assume the current actor had been the only portrayer of a character. This is a list of current characters, not current cast members. And we are not to adopt the Corrie format, which is an out-and-out travesty to this site. – Meena • 20:21, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

Strong oppose - as Meena states above, this is a list of current characters, not cast members. The character's full list of actors should be mentioned. It also does state that current portrayers are listed first in the lead. Soaper1234 - talk 17:52, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

It is far better for a reader to incorrectly assume that the current actor is the only portrayer of the character rather than to have no way of determining which actor is currently playing the character as occurs with the Amy Mitchell example. The little section in the introduction - which casual readers do not usually read - could just as easily state "only the current actor is listed" and next to recast actors their duration could be listed in brackets. Connorguy99 (talk) 20:19, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

In my opinion, the example below is far better than what we currently have and allows readers to instantly find the current actor without being swamped by needless additional information. If a reader wants to research the other actors who have portrayed the roles they can easily click on the links to their individal pages.

It seems to me that certain aspects of this page have been intentionally designed to alienate readers, perhaps to give more competent editors a feeling of superiority? Case in point, look at how much more complicated the formatting is for this page compared to that of the Coronation Street characters list. Even as someone who has been editing for years it is daunting and confusing whereas the Corrie list is simplistic and does the exact same job. Connorguy99 (talk) 20:32, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

Character	Actor(s)	Duration	Ref(s)
Kathy Beale	Gillian Taylforth	1985–2000, 2015–present	(ref)
Sharon Watts	Letitia Dean	1985–1995, 2001–2006, 2012–present	(ref)
Martin Fowler	James Bye (2014–present)	1985–2007, 2014–present	(ref)
Phil Mitchell	Steve McFadden	1990–2003, 2005–present	(ref)
Sam Mitchell	Kim Medcalf (2002-2005, 2022–present)	1990–1993, 1995–1996, 1999–2000, 2002–2005, 2009–2010, 2016, 2022–present	(ref)

I would argue that your proposal actually looks more complicated. How do we know a 'casual reader' doesn't read the entire article? If I was a casual reader who looked straight at the tables and became confused at the multiple actors, I would return to the start of the page and seek an explanation (such as the one in the lead). Soaper1234 - talk 20:34, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

A lot of casual readers do not do that, and they shouldn't have to. They should be able to instantly look at the template and see a) who the current actor is and b) how long their current tenure is. The current template does not allow readers to see the actor's individual tenures which is far more important than past actors (some of which were in nappies and only present for a few episodes!) and so they would have to visit their individual pages for this information anyway. Connorguy99 (talk) 20:39, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

If people do not read the lead of the article then they will be bound to be confused… The solution to confusion is not to remove the information altogether… If there is confusion on the format then we should find a way to adapt it and make it better rather than removing useful information. The River City list does a good job of distinguishing different actors' tenures as their characters by using a rowspan format. What are people's thoughts on this? – Meena • 21:55, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

Here's an example of what I mean:

Character	Actor(s)	Duration	Ref(s)
Kathy Beale	Gillian Taylforth	1985–2000, 2015–present
Sharon Watts	Letitia Dean	1985–1995, 2001–2006, 2012–present
Martin Fowler	James Bye	2014–present
	James Alexandrou	1996–2007
	Jon Peyton Price	1985–1996
Phil Mitchell	Steve McFadden	1990–2003, 2005–present
Sam Mitchell	Kim Medcalf	2002–2005, 2022–present
	Danniella Westbrook	1990–2000, 2009–2016
Sonia Fowler	Natalie Cassidy	1993–2007, 2010–2011, 2014–present

Thoughts? – Meena • 22:01, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

Far better than what we have, but I still do not buy the reasons for needing the previous actors. Nobody is coming to a list of current characters to find information about previous actors that is what their main pages should be for. Connorguy99 (talk) 22:21, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

Sorry for the lateness in adding my opinion, I have been unwell. I do NOT agree at all with removing previous actors as again it gives the impression that they are the sole portrayer that has played them (e.g. giving the impression that Medcalf has played Sam since 1990).

I agree with Meena's version as I think it makes it much more accurate and clear. I think that the duration can be easily seen on the character's profile and thus splitting it up is much more beneficial (and also alligns it more with USA soap opera lisys and River City's characters list).

Regarding the comments that the previous actors aren't needed – whilst the present and former pages are not "List of cast members" (meaning the focus is on the character grouped with its actors, rather than actors grouped with its characters such as cast lists), the cast members are essential information. Hence if they are not included, information is lost as they aren't included in the former cast member page either. This would be extremely weird, for example, for someone to not be able to find Daniella Westbrook in either pages despite being one of the most discussed actresses on the soap. We should 100% not remove the current actors. DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 23:13, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

Nobody has once suggested removing the current actors. Connorguy99 (talk) 00:11, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, I meant the previous actors. I have amended the comment. Also, there is no reason to be rude... DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 00:54, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

Also I completely agree with Meena's tables but I think amending it so that the durations are accurate is best (e.g. Medcalfs would be "2002–2005, 2022–present" and Westbrook's would be "1990–1993, 1995–1996, 1999–2000, 2009–2010, 2016" DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 19:20, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

Connorguy99 has a great point this list of characters should only be the character/current actors inside each character profile they is a list of previous actors alongside current actors who play the role. 95% of the time readers go to the characters page as that’s where all the useful information is placed. I feel it makes the current cast list way too long and complicated. The format that the coronation street current cast needs to be implemented on the Eastenders list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.195.25.3 (talk) 20:25, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

I'll be honest and say I'm not keen on the River City template proposed by Meena. I feel it focuses too much on the actors rather than the characters. It's great for a cast members list, but not for the character list. A list of characters should display: character name, their actor(s), and their duration, which is achieved already. Soaper1234 - talk 21:07, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

I don't think that it's suited for a cast list. For example, see List of Days of Our Lives cast members – it's focus is on the actors and the characters they played — the actors of the characters are not grouped together (as 1.) Several actors play multiple characters and 2.) It's in alphabetical order). The River City format is similar to List of The Young and the Restless characters (although in order of first appearance rather than alphabetical). DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 23:05, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

Failing to see how I was being rude for pointing out a mistake that made your point completely illegible.

Anyway, I find it ironic that Soaper claims Meena's table focuses "too much on the actors" rather than the characters which is my entire issue with the page currently. Nobody is coming to this page about current characters to look for "Shane" who must have played Tommy Moon when he was a baby but that is all the information we are given. Even if someone is searching for a better known actor such as Daniella Westbrook they likely wouldn't be doing so through a list of current (can't stress that word enough current!) characters but they can still access that information from the direct link to Sam's page.

Can I also point out that, Danilo, your opinion seems to chop and change on a dime. You go from "completely agree[ing]" with Meena's proposition at one point to then claiming that you don't think it is suited for a cast list the next. Perhaps you are easily influenced by more active/experienced posters like Soaper but I must stress that we should be thinking in terms of casual readers and not trying to pander to hardcore Wiki users that don't mind overly complicated information like the current setup. Connorguy99 (talk) 02:08, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Danilo's opinion did not differ and he did not pander. A cast member list and a character list are two different things – the cast member list being more common on American soap wikis. He actually disagreed witb Soaper and said my proposed format would not match a cast member list but would match a character list. I think you owe him an apology. – Meena • 07:47, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

What is with this faux outrage and repeated accusations of others being rude and needing to give apologies? Just deal with the situation at hand and stop trying to derail the thread by creating animosity. Connorguy99 (talk) 09:36, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

I would argue the second example, proposed by Meena, is much cleaner and an easier format to follow. However, I must also present another edit, which adheres to MOS:ACCESS policies through MOS:DTAB and MOS:TABLECAPTION, as well as MOS:YEAR (any mention of current year should not have "–present," as the current year is the present tense.

Table header

Character	Actor(s)	Duration	Ref(s)
Kathy Beale	Gillian Taylforth	1985–2000, 2015–present
Sharon Watts	Letitia Dean	1985–1995, 2001–2006, 2012–present
Martin Fowler	James Bye	2014–present
	James Alexandrou	1996–2007
	Jon Peyton Price	1985–1996
Phil Mitchell	Steve McFadden	1990–2003, 2005–present
Sam Mitchell	Kim Medcalf	2002–2005, 2022–present
	Danniella Westbrook	1990–2000, 2009–2016
Sonia Fowler	Natalie Cassidy	1993–2007, 2010–2011, 2014–present
Jed	Bradley Jaden	2023

livelikemusic (TALK!) 05:52, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

I am still not in agreement about splitting actor durations up, as I believe it puts too much focus on the actors when this is a character list. However, the proposed accessiblity format changes suggested by livelikemusic do look good; I'd support their inclusion. Soaper1234 - talk 20:49, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Support for the MOS:ACCESS inclusion does not need to be supported; it's something that, in all technicality, has to be included to adhere to the ever-changing MOS. livelikemusic (TALK!) 19:53, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

Whitney's departure

According to the source, Whitney is departing next year, and thus her departure should be "2008–2024". Saying "2008–2023" is just wrong as it shows that she is leaving or has left this year, which is not correct. I am writing this here as several IPs keep reverting this. Please, stop! DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 14:24, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Will and Janet

There is recent disagreement over whether Will and Janet are regular characters. One argument is that since the actors are now over 16, they are no longer on a child contract and are therefore regulars. However, I disagree with this - becoming a legal adult does not necessarily mean you become a regular adult character. Recurring adults exist in every soap including this one, so I don't see how two children becoming adults deems them regulars now. If they were to appear regularly, it would be a different case, but they still only have fleeting appearances every now and then. – Meena • 11:40, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

These characters DO appear regularly and have been on-screen for many years now, there's a clear distinction between them and child actors/recurring roles. Last year Will was a couple of episodes shy of Vi Highway's appearance score. Why was she considered a regular when he wouldn't be? Alex Warner on Coronation Street is deemed to be a regular and Janet has made double the amount of appearances that he has this year (and quadruple in 2021!). Connorguy99 (talk) 11:46, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

The amount a character appears onscreen has little to do with their contract. Theo has appeared lots but is recurring, similarly, Princess Buchanan appeared more than long-term regulars over on Doctors but was recurring. – Meena • 12:02, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

That is why we have to take everything into account - the amount they appear, the fact that they have appeared for years, their age, etc. I don't see how you can justifiably lump these two with child actors and guest characters. Connorguy99 (talk) 12:27, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

I think we need to await for official confirmation (e.g. on the BBC website or it being in a valuable source) before moving to regular. Usually soap characters are assumed to be recurring unless otherwise stated or confirmed. DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 13:19, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

They have been in the regular section for many months unopposed. Connorguy99 (talk) 13:30, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Being unopposed for a few months is not official confirmation. It's opposed now, by three editors. – Meena • 14:01, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Cool, but I am pointing out the fact that it has been unopposed for so long and thus is the current default whereas you and the other two editors are making out that this is a new change. And before you try to suggest you're not, you reverted the old change to the new one (with Janet and Will in recurring) saying that a discussion had to be had despite the fact that it was you making the new change and this one had been the standard for months. Connorguy99 (talk) 15:53, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Can we get some opinions of other soap editors, JuneGloom07, Raintheone, Soaper1234? – Meena • 09:12, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

I would be inclined to keep Janet and Will in recurring characters. I don't think they've reached a point of appearing regularly yet, despite the age change. Soaper1234 - talk 19:48, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

I forgot about this discussion, but 3 editors have argued that the characters belong in the recurring section, with 1 arguing for regular. Since it's been a few weeks with no further comments, I'd say this is a consensus for recurring. Obviously, things can change and it can be revisited if so. – Meena • 11:22, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

According to his mum’s Instagram, Freddie Phillips will be promoted to regular soon (he’s currently not appearing on screen due to his GCSEs in real life). When Will is back on screen his name will probably be higher up the credits alongside all the other adult regulars. Whereas Janet/Grace remains as a recurring cast member (at the bottom of the credits) 2.24.250.74 (talk) 14:02, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Recurring Characters

Can someone explain to me what the difference between recurring and regular is? Characters like Lily and Amy are classed as regular while other like Tommy, Ricky and Lexi aren't. How is thing decided?

86.2.25.149 (talk) 08:40, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

Brian Conley leaving rumours

Can I suggest that this page is protected so that we can stop the users from editing the departing section. It's constantly edited saying that Brian Conley is leaving, however there's been no confirmation that he is leaving and that until we have confirmation from the BBC and Brian himself, he should stay in the regular characters section. 82.19.40.217 (talk) 16:22, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Merge from List of former EastEnders characters

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

The result of this discussion was… no merge. Only opposing votes have been made since the beginning of this discussion from almost three weeks ago. – Meena • 11:36, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

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It's pointless to split lists of characters from a show into current and former. Eventually the show will finish and the merge will be needed. Right now the split doesn't add any value. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:10, 9 September 2023 (UTC) PS. PS. See also currently ongoing Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of former Hollyoaks characters which inspired me to start this merge and identical merge proposals at Talk:List_of_Emmerdale_characters#Merge_from_List_of_former_Emmerdale_characters, Talk:List_of_Doctors_characters#Merge_from_List_of_former_Doctors_characters, Talk:List_of_Coronation_Street_characters#Merge_from_List_of_former_Coronation_Street_characters, Talk:List_of_Home_and_Away_characters#Merge_from_List_of_former_Home_and_Away_characters and Talk:List_of_Neighbours_characters#Merge_from_List_of_former_Neighbours_characters.

• Oppose why is it "pointless", is this is your personal opinion? As a soap editor, it provides readers with a differentiation between current and former characters. Due to the size of the former list, a merge would put WP:UNDUE weight. – Meena • 10:58, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
• Strong opppose – it is not pointless. It is important as it ensures that readers are aware between the difference between current and former characters. This is not a sitcom or drama that has had 20 or less main characters – this is a soap opera with constantly changing characters that has aired for nearly 40 years. I disagree that it means that there is a lot of work for editors – it is not, as we are constantly updating character pages etc and we also move characters when they debut, leave, return, are upgraded to regular or recast. Usually when a character leaves an experienced editor or IP moves the character to the former list the minute the episode airs. Both pages are quite big and merging them would cause the page to be too long and possibly tagged with a *too long* template, let alone it making it even harder to navigate. WP:Wikipedia is not paper – two pages (one of former and one for present) is not an issue at all and makes it easier to navigate. Also, that policy, along with Wikipedia:Article size, explains how it is important to not make pages too long and too big as it affects download times and creates other issues and suggests that long tables are split off into stand alone pages. The former and present character lists have been used for decades by the soap community through excessive consensus (as I have seen through looking at a lot of the revision history etc from years ago) and this has worked well for years and never caused an issue. DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 12:22, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

  From Wikipedia:Splitting: "Consideration must be given to... notability". The problem is that lists of former characters do not meet WP:LISTN. Which means that "If one or more of the topics is not notable on its own, it may be more appropriate to simply remove the material from Wikipedia than to create a new article." _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:31, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

  And as for lenght, this is also not an issue since "Unsourced material shouldn't be used to create new articles as it may have notability or verifiability issues" - and much of this plot summary is not sourced. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:32, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

  Plot summary? This is a list of characters, what are you talking about? – Meena • 20:19, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

  I must say that I strongly disagree with merging these lists together. If it were to be the case like Family Affairs or Brookside where the soap is no longer running, then perhaps I could see the rationale behind this decision.

  However, because EastEnders, Coronation Street, Emmerdale, and Hollyoaks are all active shows and have a large ensemble cast, I believe merging characters that are currently appearing with characters who may not have appeared for almost 40 years will cause our readers great confusion. Also, as mentioned by DaniloDaysOfOurLives, these lists are edited daily and they are heavily referenced to support the current cast list.

  The comment of, "eventually the show will finish and the merge will be needed", has no substance whatsoever. Coronation Street has been broadcast for over 60 years, and there is no reason as to why this should "end". If for whatever reason one of the soaps does come to an end, then we will deal with this then. For now, while they are all still being broadcast weekly, I find the suggestion of merging the Present and Former cast lists utterly ludicrous.

  While I appreciate that having x2 cast lists for each soap may not align with Wikipedia's guidelines, I feel like going ahead with this merge for all the soaps would be a big mistake, and cause confusion for readers.

  Having x2 lists has never been an issue before, so I am a little confused as to why this suggestion has come about now? 195.226.50.88 (talk) 13:08, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Oppose: As above and merge would make the article far too long to navigate comfortably. 2A00:23EE:11F8:56DF:8CB0:BA10:7498:F6AE (talk) 12:35, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Semi-protected edit request on 23 September 2023

oi oi oi - Shirley Carter aint a present character. the Radio Times state she is a RETURNING character here, therefore remove her from this list. nice one. ave it. you wot? you 'eard 109.145.173.115 (talk) 16:10, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

 Done – Meena • 11:47, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 October 2023

Can somebody please add the sources for Priya and Avani to the characters list and delete them from the character changes section? 150.143.113.199 (talk) 20:22, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Avani has now also appeared in tonight's episode so the page needs updating still.150.143.113.199 (talk) 19:32, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Liu1126 (talk) 10:02, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

It doesn't matter now as the changes have been made.150.143.113.199 (talk) 13:50, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 October 2023

Can somebody please add this source to Dean Wicks on the list? [17] His return aired in tonight's episode and I would add it myself but I can't because the page is semi-protected. Please can somebody who is allowed to edit add the source? 150.143.113.199 (talk) 22:06, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

 Done Seawolf35 (talk - email) 01:34, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. I don't suppose someone could also centre the source into the middle of the column. And do the same for the one about Penny Branning's return at the bottom of the page in the character changes section.146.198.204.19 (talk) 22:52, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

The Penny source has now been done but the Dean one is still lop-sided and wonky.146.198.204.19 (talk) 23:32, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

New Format

I notice the page is being formatted similarly to how the Coronation Street characters page is with characters played by more than one actor only listing the current actor playing them with a link to the bottom of the page explaining this. Will this be compulsory on all the Wikipedia soap character list pages now?150.143.113.199 (talk) 21:21, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 December 2023 (2)

Can somebody please centre the source for Johnny Carter in the ref(s) column in the cast changes section at the bottom of the page in the returning characters box? It looks wonky and lop-sided. I would do it myself if the page wasn't semi-protected. 91.125.24.209 (talk) 14:41, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Done! DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 22:59, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks.91.125.24.209 (talk) 15:13, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Cast

Can we change the cast table to include tenures and to highlight the current actors? At the moment, we've got characters such as Ben Mitchell on the table with multiple actors, it doesn’t clearly state which one is the current actor and how long they've played the part.

I changed the table today & it was reversed back. You can see in the page history what I'm suggesting we use instead. Karlwhen (talk) 03:55, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Hey. I did not reverse the edit, but when I saw it I was about to start a discussion, though it was later reverted so I did not. I first of all want to thank you for your hard work - you clearly did a lot of work changing it and you deserve praise for that.

The main reasons I suspect it has been reverted/reasons I was going to start a discussion:

1.) The page was almost completely changed without consensus

2.) The layout you chose was completely different from other soap opera character lists (which use durations)

3.) All of the sources were removed

4.) As the durations changed into dates, this makes it prone to edit wars. For example, Sharon's duration seems simple via a duration (1985–1995, 2001–2006, 2012–present), but in reality it is a bit different, as she left in late 2004, return briefly in February 2005, and then returned later that year, and thus someone could argue that her duration needs to include all that (in addition to her leaving in Christmas 1994 and returning months later before departing again, and leaving and returning briefly in 2002, and various breaks in 2017 and 2018 etc). For recurring characters this would be even worse. In the soaps wikiprojects we decided to condense durations and merge consecutive years (e.g. if a character between 2005 and 2007, then returned briefly in 2008 and 2009 and then returned between 2010 and 2012, the duration would be 2005–2012 rather than 2005–2007, 2008, 2009, 2010–2012). Hence the durations of just years was simpler than full dates.

Regarding the current actor - it does state in the (short) lead that the current actor is at the bottom of the list. Over the years there have been A LOT of discussions about this and about including previous and current actors. I am unsure about highlighting the current portrayer... What do you others think? Pinging Raintheone, 5 albert square and Meena and of course anyone else who wants to join. DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 08:33, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Sorry I did not reply sooner @Karlwhen:: I reverted the edit because there was no discussion regarding such a significant change to the style of the list. I can assume good faith that you were attempting to add extra information to the list. I do not think it is needed. I thought it looked a little chaotic and then there is another issue. Firstly all the sources were removed and secondly, as the characters have calendar year durations, stating they have played a character for "X years, X days" probably needed that additional sourcing. Other wise anyone can just come along and random dates. I also predict it would add an extra layer of information that would continue to be changed by IP editors who often disrupt this type of list, adding to the disruption. As DaniloDOOL stated, the lead section explains the order of actors.Rain the 1 19:55, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 January 2024

I have a source here for a new character casting. [18] David Sterne will be playing Aunt Sal's husband Harold in a guest capacity for her funeral episodes. Can somebody please add the character and this source to the character changes section at the bottom of the page in the "upcoming characters" section? I would do it myself if the page wasn't semi-protected. 83.216.133.167 (talk) 23:00, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks.83.216.133.167 (talk) 22:13, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 January 2024

In the cast changes section, in the returning characters box, can somebody please centre the source for Jade Masood so it is in the middle of the column like the others? I would do it myself if the page was not semi-protected. 143.159.137.251 (talk) 16:08, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

 Done Thanks. Liu1126 (talk) 16:19, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks.143.159.137.251 (talk) 13:58, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Sorry if this causes any inconvenience but it has been reversed to how it was with the lop-sided source. Can you change it back again please? I would do it myself if I could.143.159.137.251 (talk) 01:22, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Done! Maybe you could get an account so it would help your editing? :) DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 02:38, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

OK. Will do.143.159.137.251 (talk) 13:45, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 January 2024

Raymond has never been known as Raymond Fox in the show or on the credits, he’s still credited as Raymond Dawkins and there’s been no mention whatsoever of his surname changing.

He most recently appeared on 11th Jan and you can see on the cast list on the official site as well as the credits themselves he is still known as Dawkins: [19][20]

This has been changed on loads of Wikipedia pages including the 2017 character article without any references but because it’s protected somehow the onus is on me to reference the fact it hasn’t changed… make it make sense

Is the EE wiki project dead? Because the EE articles on here are suddenly full of inaccuracies, unencyclopaedic info and fan fiction. Whatever happened to AnemoneProjectors? He might have been an old perv but at least he wasn’t a moron like the ones who currently seem to be making a complete mess of the EE articles 2.24.250.46 (talk) 08:55, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

[21] - was added by a now-banned sockpuppet account who managed to get it into articles all over Wiki and no one’s picked up on it or bothered to revert it. Very poor performance from the wiki editors I must say — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.24.250.46 (talk) 09:00, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Zippybonzo | talk | contribs (they/them) 11:20, 18 February 2024 (UTC)