Talk:List of FIDE chess world number ones

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Initial thoughts[edit]

Some things to add:

  • Table of ages each became FIDE number one
  • Context on how significant being number one is (e.g. compared to being World Champion)
  • Table or graph showing periods each was number one
  • Montage of all seven chess players as a picture for the lead section

The reliability of the sources needs to be discussed as well, as it seems FIDE lists prior to 2000 are not from FIDE, but aggregated secondhand from sources that published the original FIDE lists. The stuff from the 1970s onwards was apparently published on a CD in 1991 with a chess magazine (can't remember the name, but can look it up). Also, FIDE have reportedly said that there is some data missing and it is gone forever. But I think the fact of who was top of each list is not in dispute. Carcharoth (talk) 05:46, 5 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Shared First Place[edit]

Did Kasparov share first place with Karpov on January 1984? The discrepancy when Kasparov became number one maybe because of the shared first place. Some may think shared first place as being ranked number one others may not. Mschribr (talk) 17:34, 6 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This source doesn't show it as shared. Do you have a different source? Carcharoth (talk) 06:32, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You source seems to be more accurate as it comes from a fide rating list. I don’t have a source for shared. I was only guessing how the Kasparov web page had it as summer of 1984. I will change the Kasparov date in the table to January 1984. Mschribr (talk) 16:48, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

noted?[edit]

Should it be noted that Karpov became #1 because Fisher's rating was no longer listed because of inactivity? Karpov never reached Fischer's rating, IIRC. Bubba73 (Who's attacking me now?), 04:29, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'd say yes. We should make sure that we have a good cite for it when that clarification is added to the article. Quale (talk) 10:19, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Change Tables[edit]

I want to change the table "months at fide number 1" to "years at number 1". Then combine the two tables into one table. I think 21.25 years at number 1 is easier to grasp than 255 months at number 1. One table makes it easier to compare player’s years at number 1 and players age at number 1. I would add another column for each player’s peak rating.

Years at FIDE Number One and Youngest Age at FIDE Number One (January 2010)
Player Years At #1 Peak Rating Age At #1 First Time Date at #1 First time Rating at #1 First time
Russia Garry Kasparov 21.25 2851 20.717 1984/1/1 2710
Russia Anatoly Karpov 7.5 2725 24.605 1976/1/1 2695
United States Bobby Fischer 4.5 2785 28.311 1971/7/1 2760
Bulgaria Veselin Topalov 2.25 2813 31.044 2006/4/1 2804
India Viswanathan Anand 1.25 2803 37.305 2007/4/1 2786
Russia Vladimir Kramnik 0.75 2799 20.516 1996/1/1 2775
Norway Magnus Carlsen 0.167 2810 19.086 2010/1/1 2810

Mschribr (talk) 07:49, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

A different format for the long list[edit]

The list in List of FIDE chess world number ones#List of world number ones is long and is going to grow by six lines per year. I also find it hard to read. I experimented with putting the data into a table, and while I'm not fully satisfied with the results, this is what I came up with:

FIDE Rating List Leaders
Year July
1971 Fischer - 2760[1]
1972 Fischer - 2785 [2]
1973 Fischer - 2780
Year May
1974 Fischer - 2780
Year January
1975 Fischer - 2780
1976 Karpov - 2695
1977 Karpov - 2690
Year January July
1978 Karpov - 2725 supplementary list
1979 Karpov - 2705 supplementary list
1980 Karpov - 2725 supplementary list
1981 Karpov - 2690 Karpov - 2690
1982 Karpov - 2700 Karpov - 2700
1983 Karpov - 2710 Karpov - 2710
1984 Kasparov - 2710 Kasparov - 2715
1985 Kasparov - 2715 Karpov - 2720
1986 Kasparov - 2720 Kasparov - 2740
1987 Kasparov - 2735 Kasparov - 2740
1988 Kasparov - 2750 Kasparov - 2760
1989 Kasparov - 2775 Kasparov - 2775
1990 Kasparov - 2800 [3] Kasparov - 2800
1991 Kasparov - 2800 Kasparov - 2770
1992 Kasparov - 2780 Kasparov - 2790
1993 Kasparov - 2805 [4] Kasparov - 2815 [5]
1994 Kasparov[6] - 2815 Kasparov[7] - 2815
1995 Kasparov - 2805 Kasparov - 2795
1996 Kramnik[8] - 2775 Kasparov - 2785
1997 Kasparov - 2795 Kasparov - 2820
1998 Kasparov - 2825 Kasparov - 2815
1999 Kasparov - 2812 Kasparov - 2851 [9]
Year January July October
2000 Kasparov - 2851 Kasparov - 2849 Kasparov - 2849
Year January April July October
2001 Kasparov - 2849 Kasparov - 2827 Kasparov - 2838 Kasparov - 2838
2002 Kasparov - 2838 Kasparov - 2838 Kasparov - 2838 Kasparov - 2836
2003 Kasparov - 2847 Kasparov - 2830 Kasparov - 2830 Kasparov - 2830
2004 Kasparov - 2831 Kasparov - 2817 Kasparov - 2817 Kasparov - 2813
2005 Kasparov - 2804 Kasparov - 2812 Kasparov - 2812 Kasparov - 2812
2006 Kasparov - 2812 Topalov - 2804 Topalov - 2813 Topalov - 2813
2007 Topalov - 2783 Anand - 2786 Anand - 2792 Anand - 2801
2008 Kramnik[10] - 2799 Anand - 2803 Anand - 2798 Topalov - 2791
Year January April July September November
2009 Topalov - 2796 Topalov - 2812 Topalov - 2813 Topalov - 2813 Topalov - 2810
Year January March May July September November
2010 Carlsen - 2810 Carlsen - 2813

Any thoughts? Quale (talk) 10:17, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ First official list.
  2. ^ Highest-ever FIDE rating by any player to that date.
  3. ^ Highest-ever FIDE rating by any player to that date.
  4. ^ Highest-ever FIDE rating by any player to that date.
  5. ^ Highest-ever FIDE rating by any player to that date.
  6. ^ Kasparov is included here, even though Kasparov and Nigel Short were officially delisted due to forming a breakaway World Championship not under the auspices of FIDE,
  7. ^ Kasparov is included here, even though Kasparov and Nigel Short were officially delisted due to forming a breakaway World Championship not under the auspices of FIDE.
  8. ^ Jointly with Kasparov, but ahead due to more games played in the rating period in question.
  9. ^ Highest-ever FIDE rating achieved by any player.
  10. ^ Jointly with Anand, but ahead due to more games played in the rating period in question.

changed timetable to show USSR[edit]

i have changed the timetable graphic to show the USSR. while the players during the pre-1991 time may have been ethnically russian, ethnic identity is NOT the criteria used on this table. Rather, it is nationality and, specifically, the flag they played and competed under. This was NOT 'Russia' nor the 'Russian SFSR' during the pre dec-8-1991 period: it was the USSR and only the USSR, and to claim that it was 'Russia' is an insult to the others, especially non-ethnic-Russians that were in the USSR chess hierarchy that a 'Russia' classification sleights. I trust this move is uncontroversial and pretty darn obvious. Otherwise, Putin thanks you for your jingoistic obstinance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.44.115.119 (talk) 07:07, 11 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Nationalities[edit]

This article may need cleanup, per MOS:FLAG. Toccata quarta (talk) 05:52, 4 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's OK. See MOS:FLAG#Use of flags for sportspersons. The primary issue I see is that the table will grow very quickly now, with twelve new entries a year. Technically this isn't really an issue, but it's pretty dull to look at such a table with hundreds of entries. Quale (talk) 06:16, 4 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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#1 Rating Inconsistency[edit]

Kasparov is listed as having a 255 month streak with the #1 rating, but both the previous table and visual graph in the article contradict this. Because Karpov and Kramnik briefly took the number one spot, the longest streak I can see is roughly 1996-2006, or about 10 years/120 months. I'm not sure if the current value of 255 or the smaller number I'm suggesting is correct, but either way there is a contradiction the way the article is currently presented. Poemisaglock (talk) 21:01, 2 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I think Kasparov was removed from the FIDE list entirely for a time period when he broke off to create the PCA and split the title from FIDE in the Short 1993 championship. --AshFR (talk) 00:10, 18 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Susan Polgar 2005[edit]

The current table shows that Susan Polgar was #1 for two months in 2005, but this was a time when Judit was much stronger than her. Can someone fact check this please?Ordinary Person (talk) 19:07, 30 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'm assuming it's inactivity. Not listed in the top 50 women of January 2005 or top 100 players of January 2005. The next rating period in April 2005 she's listed as number one for the top 50 women and Susan number two, she's in the top 100 at 8th. AshFR (talk) 00:04, 18 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that was when Judit Polgár took a break for the birth of her son. Double sharp (talk) 08:55, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question for administrator[edit]

<Hi. This IP , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/176.23.91.146 keeps on inputing wrong information into the table. The ranking list for Carlsen as number 1 was 124 months last month (November) and thus is 125 months this month (December). This IP keeps on changing it to different total months, every month. Its becoming increasingly frustrating and I suspect IP is a bot>

Exxcalibur808 (talk) 07:58, 11 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Exxcalibur808: Thank you for reporting this IP. Would you say that this IP should be banned for disruptive editing? Do you think that this IP is sockpuppeting? If so, I can certainly contact a CheckUser. If not, and you think it would be beneficial to block this "user", also please let me know. I'll keep an eye on this page. Please not that I'm extended confirmed and not an admin, but I can certainly help. Dswitz10734 (talk) 19:45, 12 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Dswitz10734 . Despite numerous warnings, even by admins, IP continues to engage in edit wars and also not engage in the talk page. I think at this point it might be beneficial to block the "user" Exxcalibur808 (talk) 10:53, 13 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Exxcalibur808: Thank you again for reporting this IP. I have contacted Bradv, an administrator here. Hopefully he'll be able to do something about the IP. Dswitz10734 (talk) 12:25, 13 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Table formatting inconsistent[edit]

Each table switches to a different format somewhere between 2009 and 2011. This needs to be changed, and in my opinion the earlier formatting is far easier to look at. 69.113.166.178 (talk) 16:25, 21 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Kasparov and Fide rating in 1994[edit]

Kasparov was removed from FIDE ratings in 1994 (see https://2700chess.com/ajax/chart?date=1994-01-01 ), thus technically he should be Karpov listed in 1994, not Kasparov. --Pier4r (talk) 08:43, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Pier4r: I have modified the Top players list for the year 1994.--Cbigorgne (talk) 09:39, 18 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
User:KageNoSenshi also adapted the graph accordingly. I've now adapted the rest of the article (particularly in the player statistics section).
I also added some sources. These two sources seem to suggest that Kasparov was already excluded on the July 1993 list:
Lundstrom, Harold (February 18, 1994). "Kasparov, Short Omitted from FIDE's Global Rating". Deseret News.
"Once again Gary Kasparov and Nigel Short have been omitted from the semiannual international rating published by the World Chess Federation (FIDE) in January."
"World Chess Championship – FIDE/PCA Chronology". mark-weeks.com.
May 16, 1993: "FIDE announces that Kasparov and Short will be dropped from the FIDE rating list."
This is consistent with the fact that on the January 1995 list Kasparov re-appears with 0 games played and a rating of 2805, which is his rating from January 1993, not from July 1993 (which is listed as 2815). (Note that while the OlimpBase list annotates the January 1995 rating with "–10", that seems to be original research; the Chess Informant file it's based on registers the change in January 1995 as "0" – despite the Chess Informant file for July 1993 also containing the 2815 rating for Kasparov).
The most plausible explanation seems to be that FIDE decided to exclude Kasparov and Short in May 1993; for some reason the Chess Informant still published their ratings for July 1993 (perhaps they didn't learn of the decision before they went to press, or it wasn't officially in effect yet; perhaps an appeal was pending); but when Kasparov and Short were reinstated in January 1995 their last official rating was taken to be the one from January 1993 before the exclusion in May 1993.
However, unless someone can find further reliable sources that throw more light on this issue, I don't see a sufficient basis for excluding Kasparov's July 1993 rating, so I just adapted everything to the exclusion of the two 1994 ratings that had already been reflected in the table and the graph. Joriki (talk) 10:11, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

wesley so top 1 9LX? hmmm...[edit]

Thewriter006 (talk) 16:53, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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