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Indianapolis 500[edit]

What's with all the Indianapolis 500 records here? Surely not F1 related?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.131.237.252 (talk) 09:06, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Indy 500 was a part of the Formula One World Championship from 1950 to 1960.
SSSB (talk) 09:29, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Consistency on definitions of Retirements and Classified drivers[edit]

There is consistent confusion among some users editing this page on some basic racing definitions. A driver is "classified" if they complete at least 90% of the race distance; they need not take the actual checkered flag to be classified. A "retirement" is any driver who stops before reaching the finishing flag. By contrast, a "finisher" is of course a driver who reaches the checkered flag. A driver can therefore be both a retirement and classified.

Most of the article is currently consistent with these standard definitions. For example, the 1996 Monaco GP is correctly listed as the most retirements, with 18/21. There were 7 classified drivers in that race, but 4 did not take the flag.

The error that keeps arising is in the category "Least retirements". Japan 2015 does not belong in this list, because Nasr was a classified retirement. He did not reach the checkered flag. Anyone claiming this to be a race with 0 retirements must necessarily also treat Monaco 1996 as having 7 finishers rather than 3. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Whatthefat (talk • contribs)

@Whatthefat: You are correct, however reliable sources such as formula1.com usually include the 2015 Japanese Grand Prix in the list. How about if we changed the label from "Fewest finishers" to "Fewest drivers not classified"? DH85868993 (talk) 11:54, 21 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@DH85868993: On this point, f1.com is clearly in error (there are other errors in their database too, some of which I have personally cataloged). I don't mind which label is used, so long as it is correct and consistent. Whatthefat (talk) 18:24, 21 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Whatthefat: To clarify, would you agree to the 2015 Japanese Grand Prix added back into the list if the label was changed to "Fewest drivers not classified"? DH85868993 (talk) 20:09, 21 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@DH85868993: Yes, that would be accurate. Thank you for clarifying. Whatthefat (talk) 23:37, 21 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I've updated the list accordingly. DH85868993 (talk) 10:57, 22 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Highest top speeds[edit]

(transferred from User talk:DH85868993):

Hello. Highest top speed (weekend sessions) of 378 by Valtteri Bottas during 2016 European Grand Prix qualifying is fake.

2016 European Grand Prix

I've removed it from the table.

Instead is officially confirmed the Highest top speed (race) of 372.5 (All Time Speed Record Formula One) by Valtteri Bottas during the 2016 Mexican Grand Prix, beating the previous record of 370.1 by Kimi Räikkönen at the 2005 Italian Grand Prix

2016 Mexican Grand Prix

I've update this data into the table with this source.--79.43.108.133 (talk) 23:56, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 15 April 2022[edit]

Largest race weekend attendance needs to be changed to the 2022 Australian Grand Prix attendance of 419,114 People. 120.21.38.7 (talk) 03:55, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Engr. Smitty Werben 04:03, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Also unless I'm very much mistaken, race weekend attendance is already 520,000 record; race day attendance is "only" 250,000, and the source for 419,114 explicitly states in the first sentence that this is race weekend attendance. Matter closed. 3nt0 (talk) 21:42, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Most races in a season[edit]

Can someone explain the thinking behind listing seasons that were only ever planned to have 22 or 23 races? Something that would or could have been is not a record. – Kytabu 03:11, 7 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Planned seasons are generally considered as good as "done" as only force majeure can change what happens. I guess part of it is also just: FOM/Liberty Media is the sole decider of what seasons could be planned, so it's not exactly the same as someone planning to run the 100m in WR time but a genuine schedule for races to go ahead (and an implied contract for those races to take place). In its current state however, there were actually 22 races in 2021 and 2022 so adding 2023 as a schedule isn't such a big deal. 3nt0 (talk) 21:30, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

New record for how many drivers have a starting grid penalty[edit]

Nine drivers, 2017 Italian Grand Prix and 2022 Italian Grand Prix. Can that be added to the list? @SSSB:, @Tvx1:, @DH85868993: Island92 (talk) 21:38, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wait, what on earth is this? Another list of trivial events being presented as records. This appears to be almost entirely a mirror of StatsF1. No, this penalties record should not be added, since it is pure trivia. In fact, I strongly doubt this page should even exist. Tvx1 22:30, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ok.--Island92 (talk) 23:37, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Mirror of statsF1? Most of the stats on here aren't even on StatsF1. Broadly speaking, I agree with Tvx1, many of these records should be removed. Many more are WP:OR with the references only verifing that they were records at the time. Some of these records can stay, but any record detailing "most penalties" aren't actually race records at all (apart from the one you are suggesting to add, which shouldn't be added. SSSB (talk) 07:28, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ok. Island92 (talk) 11:30, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
An entire rework might even be in order, as many of these aren't "race records" - fastest pit stop is a constructor/team record. Most races in a season, earliest/latest finish to a season is a season record. Highest avg speed in quali is a driver record. Highest top speed is either driver or constructor record, etc. SSSB (talk) 12:54, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Is it worth moving this page to "List of Formula One records" and simultaneously merging with List of Formula One driver records? 3nt0 (talk) 21:33, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@3nt0: Originally, the contents of this article, List of Formula One driver records and List of Formula One constructor records were all in the same article (List of Formula One records). Over time, as more and more records were added, the article was WP:SPLIT into separate articles, due to WP:SIZE considerations (List of Formula One driver records is 229K, List of Formula One constructor records is 85K). DH85868993 (talk) 22:37, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

2024 - 24 races - new record[edit]

Should we add the planned 24-race 2024 season as the new "most races in a season" record holder? It's only planned but 2023 at joint-22 races is already on there. 3nt0 (talk) 21:31, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If we have 2023 (planned) we should have 2024 (planned) for consistency, but I don't think we should include "plans" at all. SSSB (talk) 21:30, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Pit Stop records[edit]

The Dutch GP 2023 now stands as a 107 pit stop record. But the official summary has 101 stops: https://www.formula1.com/en/results.html/2023/races/1217/netherlands/pit-stop-summary.html 29 of those are due to the red flag stoppage in the pitlane (17) and the go around and pit again of drivers (12) to fix the race order for the safety car restart. So the race had 72 actual stops and that is not a record. 144.178.102.106 (talk) 12:43, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Pirelli are counting it as 89 stops including the red flag but excluding the go-arounds (and also excluding Perez's stop for wets because he never left the pit lane). I think it is reasonable to count red flag pit stops as legitimate since the cars can be worked on in similar ways, I have updated the article to this effect. 49 TL 17:23, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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