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Broadcast order

Broad consensus defines this article as being written in the production order. If you wish to change that, take it to the talk page first. Therefore, I have reverted all of your edits. So avoid wasting your time in the future, let's discuss it first. --Svippong 11:48, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

I feel as an episode list it should be listed in broadcast order, there are infact only 5 episodes out of production order. also i feel that an explaination of the production-broadcast order should suffice in a release to DVD section either on this page or the main one. also your revert relies on articles (Seasons 1-3) that should be merged into this section and deleted.Nickhop 14 (talk) 16:02, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
Futurama fans consider the production order the true order of the episodes. This is a general consensus that Wikipedia have reached. Wikipedia uses the same order for List of Firefly episodes, so I can't see how this is different. --Svippong 20:22, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
Family Guy is also out of production order and the list is in chronological order. I'm sure we can cite examples of either situation, firefly is a live action show, the production order matters alot because at the end of the episode if a characters hands get cut off they don't just forget about it in the next episode. what makes these episode guides different?

Nickhop 14 (talk) 05:28, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

That they are terrible shows compared to Futurama or Firefly? What makes them different is that none of these were off air long enough for everyone to forget the Fox air schedule and people to remember the production order. Since Futurama actually has some continuity that is slightly disrupted by the broadcast order (e.g. "The Route of All Evil" produced for season 3 aired in "season 5"). But I am not sure where you are pulling your number of 'only 5 episodes' airing out of production order, I count at least 20-30. And that is just skimming through the list in broadcast order. --Svippong 12:06, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
Well You forget of one thing this list was in production order because this animation was out of production now that it's in production unless comedy central plays them all in production order (unlikely) it will have to go back to chronological order. Also I don't see the quality of the show having any validity in this arguement and I feel it weakens your arguement considerabley.Nickhop 14 (talk) 12:20, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
I did not realise you couldn't take a joke. But that's okay.
Comedy Central are airing them in broadcast order, true. But the makers of the show refers to the episode numbers by production numbers on the commentaries. Fans refer to the episodes by production order. Only places that really use the broadcast order are websites that deal with television in general (thus not really caring) or television channels who just got them in that stack from Fox. You are giving too much credit to the people who don't care and a lot less to the people who actually cares. --Svippong 13:52, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
as long as we keep them sortable by either broadcast or production order why does it even matter?Grande13 (talk) 15:12, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
Only what we pick as the default sorting. It matters because all other Futurama articles on Wikipedia follows the same scheme, as well as the templates, and whatnot. --Svippong 15:24, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
There are only 4 lines of production codes 1ACV to 4ACV so the writers intended it to be 4 seasons. The only reason it was 5 was because it was preempted all the time due to football and fox kept moving it around the schedule delaying and prolonging it into an extra season to burn off any additional episodes they had. On the commentaries, as confirmed in the dvd releases, its supposed to be 4 seasons, otherwise they could have easily realeased in into 5 volumes for their respective tv seasons. If a show is supposed to be approx 20 episodes a season, its still one season regardless if they extend it a few years or not.... Grande13 (talk) 16:02, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, sarcasm is hard to get in just text. but the reason being is that the new episodes will be in broadcast order and thus people will come here looking for them in broadcast order. I feel it takes away from the article if one section (seasons 1-4) are in production order while the new ones will be in broadcast order. I would elaborate more but my hand are too cold to keep typing.Nickhop 14 (talk) 21:43, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
The show is a unique exception and each part(the first 4 seasons as one, the new episodes as the second). First, while the show is grouped by production numbers, they are still in a season format, so putting the new episodes into their respective season based on airdate shouldnt be a problem. to accomodate for different formats, we can have a sort function for production order again. From the press release it looks like comedy central is content with having two 13 episode seasons at this point, so i dont really see it becoming an issue Grande13 (talk) 21:52, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
The sort function idea has been tried without success because when you sort the table, lets say it's in broadcast and you want it in production. so you click it and the "total" count gets scrambled. or far worse is if 6ACV13 is in part of the season 7 table so now it can't be sorted into the season 6 table. we could make it all one table but that just looks really messy.Nickhop 14 (talk) 22:05, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
its still successful, when looked at initially everything lines up, but if you want to see it in the broadcast order, then that should be the only category you really need to focus on. The sixth and seventh seasons will be listed by broadcast order, as they are most likely airing the in the season they intended to, as opposed to the first few seasons that were extended by fox, and not by the writers choice. We can make a note saying first 4 seasons sorted on fox sorted by production, while remaining by broadcast. there is nothing wrong or saying we cant do thatGrande13 (talk) 22:31, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
Ok This TV seasons table is a good start. an idea that has occurred is to petition Wikipedia to allow us to make a TV season episode list. the link to the INFOSPHERE could be replaced to the new page. The TV table could be secondary on this page with the season hyperlinked to the TV season episode lists, keeping the production season list linked to this episode guide. 2ndly, the pages for seasons 1, 2, & 3 be merged into this page, as I find it unneccessary to have them there own separate page when seasons 4, 5, & 6 aren't.Nickhop 14 (talk) 12:34, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
you don't need to petition to make season pages....they just need to have worthwhile info and to be notable and such. The reason seasons 4 and 5 dont have their own page is because it was just a list of the episodes which is repeat info. if you include dvd info, reception, reviews, criticism and such along with the list they will be fine. Check out some simpsons and family guy season pages for example. All seasons can have their own page is modeled similiar to this Family_Guy_(season_5) Grande13 (talk) 13:46, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
I started working on season 1 Futurama_(season_1) but have to go now, if you can add on to this and do it for every season then every season can have its own articleGrande13 (talk) 14:06, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
ok i did some quick work to all the season pages. please help expand some sections. For the reception one there are multiple reviews to be found, and i even included all the ign reviews on the pages for each season that they reviewed. Grande13 (talk) 16:56, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
lol I wasn't suggesting an expansion. I was suggesting merging seasons 1, 2, 3 into this article and then creating a new episode list but in TV order to compliment this article. the reason i used petition is because I doubt wikipedia would allow us to make a 2nd article on the nearly the same topic. in fact I did make a season 4 page which was promptly deleted.Nickhop 14 (talk) 21:41, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

There are no season pages for seasons 1-6. Seasons 1-4 are based on production numbers and are divided the way the creators intended. while season 6, and potentially on will be divided by broadcast date, unless comedy central really screws with the schedule in a way similiar to fox, which is safe to assume they most likely wont, so no problems should arise by ordering any seasons after 4 in broadcast order. Grande13 (talk) 22:02, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

ya there were seasons pages for 1-3. I'll explain again that I feel these seasons pages should be deleted and merged into this article. I think another episode list article should be created displaying the show in broadcast order.Nickhop 14 (talk) 22:08, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Comment. Why don't you guys make the list sortable? That way everybody can see the list in the order of their choosing. --Maitch (talk) 17:21, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

It is sortable, you can sort by episode number, air date, production code or television order. For obvious reasons you can't sort across seasons, but within each season you can sort for those were there is a difference (season one you can't because they're all the same order). Also you just commented on a two year old discussion, current discussion going on at Talk:Futurama (season 6). Xeworlebi (talk) 11:50, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Series versus Season

Should we use "Series" or "Season", as in "Series 3" or "Season 3"? Personally, I say we should use Season as it is an American show. Also, we say "Season" on this page. -Icweiner

Yeah season is to be used as this is an american show series is used for english shows as those are the appropiate regional terms. Discordance 14:13, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
You of course mean BRITISH shows. --89.242.177.64 (talk) 08:22, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Episode dates mixed up

I noticed that there are some episode dates mixed up in Futurama Season 3. Can someone fix this?--DivineLeeloo 04:05, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

The dates are mixed up on all the tables. The episodes are listed by their production order and not their broadcast order. -- SchrutedIt08 (talk) 04:38, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Season 7 episode error?

in the Season 7 table it says this:

128 14 "Forty Percent Leadbelly"[29] Stephen Sandoval Ken Keeler July 3, 2013[30] 7ACV14[29] S07BE04

129 15 "2-D Blacktop"[29 Raymie Muzquiz Michael Rowe June 19, 2013[30] 7ACV15[29] S07BE01

Shouldn't Episode 14 Air before episode 15?

Episodes air out of order all the time. It's customary with animated shows. -- SchrutedIt08 (talk) 00:20, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Netflix, what?

Why does Netflix have 9 seasons of Futurama, but Wikipedia says 7? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Totric (talk • contribs) 20:10, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Presumably because they count both halves of seasons six and seven as separate seasons. -- SchrutedIt08 (talk) 04:40, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 7 July 2013

The episode order and numeration of Season 7-B are out-of-order/incorrectly labeled. Both the air dates and production codes of each episode are correct, but they are listed out-of-order in the table. Please correct episode number and list order to match air date and production code order. Thank you. 96.47.145.106 (talk) 08:34, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

The numbers are correct. The episodes are listed in their production order and not their broadcast order. -- SchrutedIt08 (talk) 09:54, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 8 July 2013

The first episode in 2nd half of 7th season was aired in June and not in July Kosmologie (talk) 09:45, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

We know. As per consensus, the episodes are listed in their production order (i.e. the order in which they were written and recorded) and not their broadcast order. -- SchrutedIt08 (talk) 09:54, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Vandalism

Hey there! I just found this! Pay attention to the second paragraph. I tried to edit it away since it obviously shouldn't be there but it doesn't show up in the code! :S I'm not really familiar with editing so I just thought I'd point this out to someone who could fix it.

"The original 72-episode run of Futurama was produced as four seasons; Fox broadcast the episodes out of the intended order, resulting in five aired seasons. This list features the episodes in original production order, as featured on the DVD box sets.

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On April 22, 2013, Comedy Central cancelled Futurama, announcing a series finale date of September 4, 2013.[6]" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.80.42.73 (talk) 08:25, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Episode Infobox 2.0: The Episode List

i don't completely understand how infoboxes are set-up or how they work exactly.. but i started noticing that some of the episode articles are missing the season episode list.. here is an example of an infobox missing the list compared to the same infobox with the episode list..

so after staring at the edit page for far too long, i figured out that to display the list, the season number has to be typed as a word in lowercase (i.e. one, two, three, etc.) no uppercase (i.e. One, Two, Three...) and no numerals (i.e. 1, 2, 3...) ≈Sensorsweep (talk) 08:13, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Season 7 p1 Home release date region 2

As of today the release date for this DVD is marked with "N/A". I don't know about the rest of Europe, but the Norwegian distributor has listed its date of availability as January 16th 2013. Skroting (talk) 16:49, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

missing links to episode pages

Hello, it looks as if there weren't any pages for many of season seven's episoes. Please make hyperlinks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.4.205.105 (talk) 17:16, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Reliable sources for episode order

Does anyone have any reliable source for:

  • The production order?
  • The production code numbers?
  • The assertion (primarily in the FAQ) that the creators intended the production order to be the broadcast order?
  • That the order given at various websites, e.g. IMDB, is the broadcast order, not the production order?

I tend to agree that production order is probably the best one here, especially if it can be proven that was what the creators intended, but we have to have a source for it since it's being fought over both here and at various other related pages. Once we have that then the defense of those pages becomes pretty simple. I've looked for a source for those things and cannot find one which is reliable. Regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 21:28, 27 August 2015 (UTC) Re strikeouts, see edit below with the same date and time stamp as this one. — TransporterMan (TALK) 14:56, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

Fair warning re deletion of unsourced information

It's my intention to, under this section of the Verifiability policy, delete the information in at least the first three bullet points, above, from this article unless someone comes up with a reliable source as defined by Wikipedia for each of those points by the end of September, 2015. Regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 15:02, 9 September 2015 (UTC) Re strikeout, see edit below with the same date and time stamp as this one. — TransporterMan (TALK) 14:56, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

Futurama episodes consistently show the production code as part of the copyright notice at the end of each episode. As for the claim that "the creators intended the production order to be the broadcast order", this is not at all unusual. In fact it's the norm, but the networks have the final say as to the airing order. That's one of the reasons Firefly failed. "The order given at various websites, e.g. IMDB, is the broadcast order, not the production order", is easily verifiable. TV websites always show the broadcast order - Note that I'm talking about general sites like MSN, TV Guide, Zap2It, Futon Critic etc, not fan websites. IMDB, however, is not a reliable source for episode information. Some reliable sources are listed at WP:TVFAQ. --AussieLegend (✉) 03:19, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
Re strikeouts: The answer by AussieLegend (which I also received from Doniago over at Talk:Jurassic Bark) has satisfied me on the points that I've struck out, above. I intend to leave the {{cn}}-tags on the other information, but I will not be deleting the information if it is not sourced (though others may choose to do so) and I withdraw the foregoing warning. Regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 14:56, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

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Specials, Futurama Live! (2 Episodes)

Need some advice here, would it be appropriate or inappropriate under Specials to include the web special Futurama Live! which was a pre and post Futurama series finale webcast hosted by Chris Hardwick and featured Matt Groening, David X. Cohen and Phil LaMarr in the Preshow and Groening, Cohen, Maurice LaMarche and Billy West in the post broadcast webcast. Basically the preshow was about 25 to 30 minutes and the post show was a little of 45 minutes where Groening and the rest talked about the series, its history etc... It'll probably end up as part an extra on the Season 7 DVD, so IMHO I think it should be included. What does everyone else think. TheGoofyGolfer (talk) 03:33, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

It sounds like the best place for that kind of entry. Go ahead and add it. If anyone knows of a good reason not to have it under specials, they can change it later and note the reason for the change. That's my two cents. Metrowestjp (talk) 06:30, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
Done. TheGoofyGolfer (talk) 22:42, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

There should actually be two episodes or sections listed under the Futurama Live! heading. The 2nd of the two is already listed, but the first one is not for some reason. Here is some information about it if someone could get that added that would be great!

- It aired on July 11th 2012 after the episode Zapp Dingbat.

- On 12 July, following the broadcast of the episode "Zapp Dingbat", the public were given the chance to participate in a live chat with the Futurama cast and crew. Several previews of then-upcoming Season 7 episodes were shown during the live stream, and several details about the season were revealed, including: returning appearances by the characters Guenter and Dr. Banjo in an episode of broadcast season 10, the debut of Lrrr's son, an episode about the origins of Scruffy, a three-part episode featuring 1980s-style animation, the status of Mars, and the possibility of "Möbius strip clubs". https://theinfosphere.org/Season_7#Revelations_from_the_production_team

- One lucky fan even won a prize: http://www.peelified.com/index.php?topic=23178.msg1326292#msg1326292

- The episode itself can be found on the official Futurama Comedy Central website at: http://www.cc.com/episodes/1w3i9s/futurama-futurama-live--season-7-ep-special and has a description of: Season 7•7/11/12 The cast and crew of Futurama answer questions and discuss show art submitted by fans.

I think this should be added as it was officially called Futurama Live! and did air on Comedy Central after a new episode of Futurama and included many members of the voice case as well as Matt Groening and clips up upcoming new episodes.

The 12 July Futurama Live! episode is not available at that link anymore. Is there anywhere else that episode is published? Also, it's not even listed on IMDB. Is it really concerned a series Special then? Helping end world sexual repression. (talk) 12:56, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

THIS IS ALL WRONG!!!

THERE ARE FIVE SEASONS!!!!!!!!! NOT FOUR!!!!!!!!!!!!!! im telling you that there are five seasons, if you look at the time when they are aired, the dates are out of chronological order!!!!! I looove futurama, but this is all mess-ed up!!!!! sum1 correct it!!!!!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.140.166.42 (talk) 04:33, 4 March 2007 (UTC).

Listen Noob, there are four DVD collections, hence 4 seasons. And learn to spell.207.134.166.42 (talk) 17:37, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Sorry I have to agree with the 'Noob' dickwad - there were originally 5 seasons. The fact that they were released as 4 dvds is unrelated. Whilst we are on the subject, why the hell are the movies put as season 5? They are movies, not part of the tv series. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.129.144.61 (talk) 00:02, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Do some research. Then come back with some opinions we can use. --Svippong 00:04, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

I have done some research http://epguides.com/Futurama/ - BOOM! 5 seasons! lastly, I feel you should read the dvd box sets once, it clearly says VOLUME and NOT Season. I work at Best Buy and do occassionally deal with the DVD section and Family Guy is even in Volumes but the interesting part is that on one of the volumes like volume 2 it shows character yelling season 3... ya cause volume 1 is seasons 1 & 2 so clearly you should be able to understand that the Volumes =/= Seasons. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.3.141.210 (talk) 20:19, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

He's right, episodes S05E01 through S05E16 (season 5) are missing from this page. - 99.179.127.90 (talk) 04:13, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

I have to agree it should be updated to 5 seasons with the 4 moves in between seasons 5 and 6 similar to this http://thetvdb.com/?tab=season&seriesid=73871&seasonid=6592&lid=7 even the production order list on Wikipedia has S05 for the season 4 entries. Here are a few more examples and http://www.gotfuturama.com/Information/EpisodeGuide/Season5/ Andcbii (talk) 02:02, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

We've been through this hundreds of times before: it's not going to happen. Episode ordering differs from country to country (e.g. in the UK "Season 5" is the first batch of the new episodes), and the articles cover production information, which is completely unworkable if we were to organise by the mixed up broadcast order. Those websites have chosen to use Fox's ordering, but that's their choice. The consensus here is to go with the officially endorsed order, which is that of the DVD sets. This is because it is the most practical way to do it, and because it is the only consistent order of the episodes. --Dorsal Axe 13:19, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

As of 2017, thereare 10 seasons. (Look it up on Netflix) there's your proof. Gabileona97 (talk) 12:49, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Season 10

This is all wrong. There are 10 seasons. Please do more research. Gabileona97 (talk) 12:51, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Season 8: 13 Episodes 1. The silence of the Clamps 2. Mobius Dick 3. Law & Oracle 4. Benderamas 5. The tip of the Zoidberg 6. Ghost in the Machines 7. Nuetopia 8. Yo Leela Leela 9. Fry am the Egg Man 10. All the PPresidents' Heads 11. Cold Warriors 12. Overclockwise 13. Reincarnation Season 9: 13 Episodes 1. The Bots and the Bees 2. Farewell to Arms 3. Decision 3012 4. The Thief of Baghead 5. Zap Dingbat 6. The Butterjunk Effect 7. The Six Million Dollar Man 8. Fun on a Bun 9. Free Will Hunting 10. Near-Death Wish 11. 31st Century Fox 12. Viva Mars Vegas 13. Naturama Season 10: 13 Episodes 1. 2-D Blacktop 2. Fry and Leela's Big Fling 3. T.: The Terrestrial 4. Forty Percent Leadbelly 5. The Inhuman Torch 6. Saturday Morning Fun Pit 7. Calculon 2.0 8. Assie come home 9. Leela and the Genestalk 10. Game of Tones 11. Murder on the Planet Express 12. Stench and Stechibility 13. Meanwhile Gabileona97 (talk) 13:14, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

@Gabileona97: Please note that the article explicitly states that the list follows the season box sets, which feature the episodes in the original, intended production season order, ignoring the order of broadcast. It is correct that Fox and CC, for marketing and other reasons, split up production seasons but the article follows the intention of the producers. Regards SoWhy 13:43, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Cubert did NOT appear before he was introduced

"For example, Fox showed an episode featuring Cubert Farnsworth before the episode where he is first introduced and released from stasis."

What episode?

This rubbish statement has been quoted in one form or another for over a decade dispite nobody ever being able to name the alledged episode. Cubert appeared in 8 episodes broadcast on Fox. Here they are in production order, with this very articles broadcast dates:

  • A Clone of My Own - Aired April 9, 2000.
  • Anthology of Interest I - Aired May 21, 2000
  • The Route of All Evil - Aired December 22, 2002
  • A Leela of Her Own - Aired April 7, 2002
  • Anthology of Interest II - Aired January 6, 2002
  • Bender Should Not Be Allowed on TV - Aired August 3, 2003
  • Jurassic Bark - Aired November 17, 2002
  • The Sting - Aired June 1, 2003

So I'd love for someone to explain how they came up with this drunken statement.

Bomberswarm2 (talk) 10:22, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

I've removed it (as that statement also doesn't seem to make sense to me) and replaced it with a different statement (which I previously added in Special:Diff/971793093) as it didn't seem to be disputed. Giggity (talk • contribs) 13:15, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Broadcast order nonsense

Someone created a section claiming that Fox reorganized the episodes in 2017 and then created badly organized sections showing the broadcast seasons. This page uses the intended, canonical production order. Broadcast order information is included within those sections. Fox did not reorganize the seasons, it was just that the broadcast order was used on Hulu. Thegreyanomaly (talk) 21:04, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Season 8 <-> 11 edit war

I notice IP edit warring over the numbering of the latest season (2023) currently airing on Hulu.

IP edits are trying to number it season 11 based on Hulu's official naming from broadcast order, but the page historically has used production order (after much prior debate, see talk page history) which makes the latest season number 8. It seems the IP editors are not attempting any discussion in the talk page, and are not updating the rest of the seasons to use the broadcast season numbering, so it is likely these are troll edits rather than genuine attempts to switch the page to broadcast order.

I'm requesting some limited page protection to dissuade trolls. If anyone wants to seriously discuss switching season numbering to use broadcast order, please post here to create consensus before making edits. Thanks! -- BBUCommander (talk) 23:33, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

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