Talk:List of Lucky Star characters/Archive 1

Archive 1

Clerk Sugita

i think that he is notable enough to list here....

Who exactly is this?--十八 16:28, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

He is one of the Animate clerks, named after and voiced by Tomokazu Sugita. So far, he has had an appearance in two episodes. --EmperorBrandon 19:01, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

I would not agree. As far as the Animate guys go, only Animate's mascot is notable enough.--十八 23:21, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Hes not one of the original animate guys from what i can tell, he was thrown in there for a reference to Kyon from the Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya, he is pretty much an animated version of Tomokazu Sugita.

(Please sign your comments!) Then that alone makes him not notable enough.--十八 18:10, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

(sorry for not signing my other comments) I disagree with that, because unlike the other animate works, he actually means something and unlike the the other guest characters like Aya Hirano, he actually interacts with Meito Anisawa. Goatshi 21:20, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

or another idea would be to make a section for Celeberity characters like Aya Hirano, and clerk sugita with a short description of who they are. Goatshi 21:26, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

I think adding a section on celebrety cameo appearances is bording on fan cruft since they really aren't characters from this series, but anime-counterparts of real-life people. One example of this, though, is Minoru Shiraishi, but unlike them, actually is viewable as one of Konata's classmates and Akira's assistant in Lucky Channel, and has many more appearances than Aya (one very brief shot in episode 15) and Clerk Sugita (2 breif apperances in separate episodes).--十八 22:50, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Anisawa Meito

Tomokazu Seki revoiced this characther from an old OVA of animate [1] Linkinstreet 14:40, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

the offical english animate website states that his name is Anizawa with a "z" not an "s" it is also spelt with a "z" on the anime news network [2]Goatshi 20:23, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Be that as it may, his name on the Lucky Star Japanese wiki page is listed as "Anisawa", even though the link to his article lists it as "Anizawa". afk, the group subbing Lucky Star, also lists it as "Anisawa" in the credits. Perhaps they deliberately slightly altered his name for Lucky Star so it wouldn't be exactly the same.--十八 21:49, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

in the link i put above the animate usa site, has his name spelt with a "s" in the begining of the page for a few times too but when on his character thing it is spelt with a "z"...Goatshi 23:21, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Well the difference from Anisawa with Anizawa is just a dakuten on the "sa", and the characther is too much similar. IIRC, even the clerks were the same as the ones in the Animate OVA Linkinstreet 11:36, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Just a question

Nothing to do with anything really but why are most of the the characters left handed? Strange, as left handers make up only 10% of the population.

Thinking of watching this, maybe. ^-^ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.42.175.133 (talk) 18:22, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

I know!! why is almost everyone left handed? and does the handedness really nessessary in this article? who cares if they're left handed or not? if this handedness is really important to fictional anime characters, why not put handedness in ALL fiction and non-fiction people in wikipedia? anyone agree? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.11.73.232 (talk) 12:15, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

In the manga, the writer claims that she had always liked having her characters left handed as it makes them unusual. So when she was asked to fill-in by writing few episodes for Comptiq magazine, she naturally made all characters (at that time) left handed. As she was only filling in and manga artists are generally given a large degree of freedom in their creativity, she ended up creating a cast of left handed characters. All right handed characters were conceived later or have lesser roles with the only notable exception being Yui Narumi.--Revth (talk) 08:35, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Yoshimizu is a he, for your reference.--Samuel di Curtisi di Salvadori 23:26, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Removal of a line from Konata's entry

I removed the line:

She often gives false information to her family, thus making her father believe that Kagami and Tsukasa are shrine maidens.

While the first part may be correct (though I can't think of an example), the second is not; the Hiiragi family are indeed the keepers of their family shrine, and Kagami and Tsukasa do work as shrine maidens when they're needed to. (It appears that the oldest sister is more of a full-time shrine maiden, as she has gone with her father (who is the... priest? not sure of the nomenclature for Shinto) to dedicate building sites and so on.)

If someone wishes to put an amended version of this line back into the article, I suggest you find someplace besides where it was -- it was breaking up the flow from the lines commenting on Konata's Haruhi fandom to the comment about their shared voice actresses.

Taper. --67.171.210.188 (talk) 10:09, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

It's not that Konata gave a false information. She only gave what she considers to be the "important" information to Sojiro. She has a very otaku view of the world focusing on "characteristics". Sojiro likewise has an otaku view of the world. So when Konata told her father about her friends, she naturally told him the otaku-influenced view of Kagami and Tsukasa which would have been something like "Kagami is a tsundere miko. Tsukasa is a klutz miko who looks like Akari Kamigishi." It's also likely that Konata simplifies and exaggerates to a certain extent as Yutaka was very intimidated by Kagami at first and couldn't tell what Konata had told her. --Revth (talk) 09:20, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

English cast?

Where was this English cast confirmed? I'm looking around and I'm not finding a thing... -Sukecchi (talk) 14:24, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Some of the cast is shown at the ANN page.--十八 01:30, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

...Now I feel silly. -Sukecchi (talk) 01:47, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Konata's age

Why does it say she is 9? I'm not too sure about her real age, but I know she isn't 9 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.189.237.128 (talk) 09:14, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

It was an IP vandal; it's been reverted. If you discover problems with the article, check the history for vandalism and revert where required.--十八 09:21, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Unsourced Statement in Meito Anisawa

"In 2002, Gainax produced a single original video animation, where Meito Anisawa and his fellow employees are the focus." If you check the Gainax article for OVAs, you'll see that there aren't any for 2002. Unless there is and someone would like to update it. Dio Only Uses a Knife (talk) 05:40, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

It was called Anime Tenchou, and was indeed made by Gainax.--十八 08:11, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Used as source

Baindai Entertaiment have used this page as a source for their Lucky Star website. Note in particular their Yukari Takara page where they have accidentally included the next section header ("Meito Anisawa.") at the bottom (in case they fix this, screenshot.) Shiroi Hane (talk) 09:56, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Funny, I thought they did too when I looked at it due to the extra bio info added such as their birthday, blood type, and what hand is the dominant hand, not to mention their birthplace too. And while I realize that all this was lifted from some official Lucky Star material, it still made me wonder since I've never seen an English anime website go into such detail for character bios before, and Wikipedia's pretty much the only place you'd find such info that's easily accessible to English speakers. Although I find it even stranger how only Yukari's and Hiraku's bios are not only the longest ones, but are the only ones copy/pasted from Wikipedia word-for-word.--十八 10:13, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Nagamori Yamato

After playing the game, I found a lot of information about Yamato needs to be added and replaced. However, it is something out of the ordinary, which completely counter the Lucky Star slice of life atmosphere. Should I add the out of the ordinary informations? Of course, its a spoiler to the game. RasAlmond (talk) 10:57, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

It would be nice of you to. 71.183.235.47 (talk) 21:47, 17 February 2008 (UTC)Psycho_Wrath

Character Pictures?

While I agree that using a single image would save on loading times, removing every other picture from the page was a little counter-effective. Now there are many characters who aren't represented with a picture. Is there enough reason to remove all of these pictures in favor of a few choice (Read: Ten) characters? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.255.21.149 (talk) 08:38, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

I agree. The individual char pics were much more helpful. Kikiluvscheese (talk) 23:17, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

They would conflict with Wikipedia's WP:NFC policies since there is already a cast shot on the article. --Farix (Talk) 23:46, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Character Ages

Is it just me, or are the character ages all over the place? For example, the article says Patricia is 17, but she's only a first-year, and it says that Ayano is a year younger than Kagami, yet she's in her class. And there are no notes of grade-skipping or such... I don't get it. Kikiluvscheese (talk) 17:47, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

I believe the case in Japan is when an exchange student comes to the high school, they put them in the earliest year possible to save them some stress, which explains Patty's age. As for Ayano's, I'm not sure. Raven23 (talk) 22:23, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I've not got anything to hand, but looking at my snaps the Guide Book doesn't state ages, only birthdays, but the DVD booklets do so can be used for verification (when I have them to hand and assuming I remember). Shiroi Hane (talk) 14:50, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Since when does the article say that Patricia's 17? It says she's 15-16 during the course of the manga. And Ayano's age is the same as Kagami's. O_O Vandalism? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Doggiedoggie (talk • contribs) 03:41, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

"On the rare occasion that she plays video games, her personality changes."

What does this mean? Miyuki playing video games was only lightly touched upon in the anime, and there isn't anything hinting at her personality changing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.193.177.215 (talk) 03:48, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

It means that whenever Miyuki plays a video game, she gets extremely competitive and aggressive. I guess it's sort of a selective bipolarity. It's actually used somewhat often in hentai doujins, too, as a way of justifying Miyuki being dominant in them.

"[Kagami] used to have an ahoge at the beginning of the series"

Please clarify that. --Addict 2006 14:57, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Is it referring to the manga or something? --Addict 2006 15:33, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Dropped; User:Juhachi said it's unverifiable. --Addict 2006 13:10, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Not to mention I looked at the manga and Kagami (the character) has no ahoge. --Addict 2006 02:21, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Kagami does have an ahoge in some parts of the beginning of the Lucky Star 4-koma. LINK REMOVED (Kagami has a slight ahoge in that entire chapter) LINK REMOVED (It's a close-up picture of Kagami. Maybe this will help you see better. The ahoge is small, but it's there.) The ahoge pretty much disappears from chapter 4, 5-ish onwards.

Article reform ideas

1. Use the English versions of names as title of the subsections of the characters, so that intra-article wikilinking is possible.
2. Try to eliminate the list of point-form into at the lead of every character, especially dispose of those information that is not important to the general public.

--Samuel di Curtisi di Salvadori 18:52, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Finished refspamming this article, and in my opinion-- since this article is a translation from JA:WP, I think it has gone a bit too in-universe. Much of the content can be trimmed down. On the other hand, I think that Konata herself should have enough extrauniversal notability (after all, she's now the mascot of Comptiq) to be forked off, so I'm not in a hurry to trim that part.--Samuel di Curtisi di Salvadori 21:48, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

I actually think that information should be kept, really. Speaking of information, I believe that someone has vandalized the Iwasaki Minami section of the character information.

It wasn't vandalism, just a missed slash in a reference which messed up the rendering of the code. And about the article, most of it was originally a translation from the Japanese wiki, but it's grown somewhat since the anime aired. I agree that content can and should be trimmed back, especially the bullet lists at the beginning of most of the characters, but I don't agree that Konata has enough coverage outside of Lucky Star to warrant her own article, even if she is the mascot of Comptiq, which would need a source btw.--十八 10:02, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Konata Izumi

Konata Izumi does NOT look 18! Hell no no way NO! Who put that up! 17-18! Heres the problem!

• its either 17 or its 18!
• she does NOT lok no 17 or 18! You all know that damn well! I know theres smart people on wikipedia! This isnt wikidemonica or how ever you say it! The only reason they put 17-18 is to avoid it being called a lolicon! Thats it! That girl doesnt have Turner Syndrome so what tje heck is it? I think it need to be fixed cuz I think it was justput up by some moron not here for the greater good of wikipedia! oh and Sorry for not logging in but im in a hurry! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.54.1.206 (talk) 20:10, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Konata, at the beginning of the story is 17 and in high school (I believed this can be verified via the guide book, or the manga, though not sure about the latter). Time passes and she ages; viola. It doesn't matter if she looks her age or not, we just list what we are told.--十八 23:22, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Facts are facts. Wikipedia isn't for your opinion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.173.141.66 (talk) 02:00, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

For your reference, Konata was clearly having her 18th birthday in manga volume 2. She did say th biggest thing of being 18 is being to buy eroge herself... figures.--Samuel di Curtisi di Salvadori 14:46, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

What is needed and what is not

This is a place to discuss what is needed and what is not in this article. Please give your opinions on this topic.--Samuel di Curtisi di Salvadori 20:00, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

• I'm going to do major sourcing of the article using offline sources. After that, you might want to check how the remaining works out. I see potential in this list (for FL). - Mailer Diablo 17:30, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Great! Please make sure to use the appropriate citation templates to save work down the road ({{cite book}}, {{cite journal}}, {{cite episode}}). Also, I think we should look at List of Naruto characters for some inspiration, considering it is the first character list in the anime/manga project to make it to FL. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 18:07, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I thought that's what this ENTIRE talk page was for. -Sukecchi (talk) 20:19, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Is this why ages, blood types, and birthdays have suddenly been removed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.173.141.66 (talk) 01:57, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Yes.--Samuel di Curtisi di Salvadori 14:45, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Revert warring

A revert warring is preventing me from add the individual pages/chapters in the in-line citations. I have merely inserted the Japanese manga hardcopies, which is necessary for groundwork to start working on in-citations its individual pages and got reverted within minutes. It would go like this :

Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipisicing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum.

• Yoshimizu, Kagami (2005-01-08). Raki☆Suta (1). Tokyo, Japan: Kadokawa Shoten. p. 149. ISBN 9784048538060. {{cite book}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |coauthors= (help) (in Japanese)
• Yoshimizu, Kagami (2005-08-10). Raki☆Suta (2). Tokyo, Japan: Kadokawa Shoten. p. 151. ISBN 9784048539036. {{cite book}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |coauthors= (help) (in Japanese)
• Yoshimizu, Kagami (2006-07-06). Raki☆Suta (3). Tokyo, Japan: Kadokawa Shoten. p. 150. ISBN 9784048539784. {{cite book}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |coauthors= (help) (in Japanese)

If it is not reverted to the format I need to work on, then I'll stop working altogether and leave the list in such a sorry state. - Mailer Diablo 06:04, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, but making such a threat seems very immature to me. You are willing to source, but only if you are allowed to do it in your preferred fashion, despite it going against the already established referencing system here? You will only put in sources if you can do it in such an ugly fashion that does not fit in with what is already in use in the page and does not fit what is used on any other anime/manga list at all? I'm sorry you aren't willing to do it the way already established, but if you can't stick with that, then I guess it will just sit here like that (and FYI, the pages variable is NOT for a page count of the book, nor should you stick the ja icon at the end, but rather use the actual language parameter). Also, since its licensed, the English volumes should be used, unless you really are reading the Japanese volumes. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 06:17, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

• Are you sure that the English volume exists? For the record, I'm using WP:CITESHORT, a format that is prevalent in FAs; It makes no sense to give the full citation of the whole book in at least 20 instances. - Mailer Diablo 06:26, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

The article says it is licensed for English release. If it isn't, and you don't read Japanese, how you can you claim any sources at all? And just because it is used in other FAs does not mean you get to force it here when there are already other instances. Many FAs do not use it either, nor do any FL character or other fictional element lists that I've ever seen, including the Naruto one I pointed you to, which is a much longer series with 30+ volumes. It is not a requirement and per the same page "editors should not change an article with a distinctive citation format to another without gaining consensus." You didn't get consensus and have made it clear that you will only bother yourself to do the work if you do. That's blackmail and a threat, and has no place in editing here. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 06:34, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

• Thing is, are you sure that such a book (english version) exist? Licensed is not equivalent of an english version of the manga published. I do know that pirated English translations exist and Bandai only released English versions of the anime. I have the Chinese (Taiwanese) copies. I went to the bookstore where they sold Japanese and Chinese versions, compared one-to-one by hand and they matched other than the language. This article had no prior book citations. I have not seen any editor kicking a ruckus on FAC that the citation format is not what they want; if that is the case FAC would be stopped dead in the tracks. And please, choosing to walk away from this, rather than revert warring and get blocked, is considered blackmail? I am just a volunteer editor to this encyclopedia offering my services, I'm not obliged or bound by anyone to do anything. - Mailer Diablo 06:46, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Well, considering it was only licensed a few months ago, there probably isn't a version in North America yet. Does take time to properly do. So you are using the Chinese versions, not the Japanese versions? In that case the sources would be the Chinese versions, at least until the English ones are released, then they would all have to be changed. And no, there isn't going to be a ruckus at FAC about formatting because the formatting is already established (though despite your assertion, I've seen several recent ones where the articles WERE pinged for bad referencing formatting). If this were a new article without any references, you should claim first right to shove in whatever format you want. But it isn't and a format is already established. You don't get to change that, which your attempts would do. If this list ever got to FL, it would be pinged for inappropriate style mixing. Why is it so hard for you to just use the established method with inline citations? If people can do it for a list as huge and with as many references at Naruto, why can't you do it for a little 4 volume series? Hell, I did it for List of Tokyo Mew Mew characters, which is 7 volumes + a 2 volume sequel. It isn't like its that hard to do. And yeah, you're "just a volunteer" but claiming you will only do something if you can do it your way is blackmail. It has nothing to do with the revert warring and getting blocked, you specifically said you will ONLY source this article if you can do it in the way you prefer instead of the far more common way used in fictional topics. (citeshort is rarely used in these areas, its more prevalent in the academic/non-fiction stuff) -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 06:57, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

List of Tokyo Mew Mew characters -> size : 102.5kb. - Mailer Diablo 07:20, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

So? What does that have to do with anything being discussed here? List of Naruto characters a featured list is 87k. TMM's list hasn't been copyedited yet, and will likely go down in size once the prose is tightened up (and it has a longer title and two authors). -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 07:24, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Let's see if that removes most of cruft...

Trying to remove cruft, I tried rewriting one character (Yutaka) as a test. What do you think about this? If you feel fine with this, I would rewrite most character sections this way.--Samuel di Curtisi di Salvadori 16:50, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Citations

I notice we're citing the character profiles on the Bandai site. I just thought it amusing considering that at least some of the information there was sourced from this page in the first place (note in particular [3] where they have still not corrected the obvious copy/paste error). Shiroi Hane (talk) 20:39, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

*DOH* Me thinks that should probably be fixed here...-- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 23:21, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

OK, my plans on decrufting

To decruft, let's decide what is cruft and what isn't.

Lucky Star is a strip manga that is notable for its lack of a plot. As a result, there's no such a thing as "plot-relevant material" in this series, and the general public can get to know the basic facts by just mentioning the very basic facts. Which, in turn, means for the characters that I know how to write, I can remove about 60% of the length, concentrating on the basics.

Any opinions out there?

--Samuel di Curtisi di Salvadori 19:11, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Fumihiko Tachiki

Fumihiko Tachiki did the voices for over 60 extra characters in Lucky Star, yet isn't mentioned in this article. Is there any reason we shouldn't include him? David Bailey (talk) 23:40, 31 December 2008 (UTC)