Talk:List of NFL head coach wins leaders

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Postseason wins[edit]

We should certainly include postseason wins on this, at least with their own column and a column for total wins. Jazzcowboy (talk) 11:30, 11 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Interim wins[edit]

So I guess wins as an interim coach do not count? WakandaForever188 (talk) 19:47, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 27 October 2020[edit]

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The result of the move request was: Page moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Jerm (talk) 16:37, 3 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

List of National Football League head coaches with 50 wins → List of National Football League head coach wins leaders – All other similar NFL lists, such as List of National Football League career passing yards leaders, List of National Football League career passing touchdowns leaders, and most importantly List of National Football League career quarterback wins leaders (which is the exact same concept of this article, except for quarterbacks instead of coaches), specify "leaders" instead of calling out an arbitrary number, in this case 50 wins. I believe this is a move I could have easily boldly done myself with no opposition, but I thought more appropriate to bring to a discussion out of respect for the editors who work very hard on maintaining this page. Frank AnchorTalk 14:08, 27 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Table updates[edit]

This list showed many differences the standard template for NFL lists, so I boldly updated the article to address the following issues

  1. Remove the large amount of colors from the table, which was very distracting and did not convey the information in a way that only a small number of colors would. Basically, I only left in active coach and Hall of Fame designation
  2. Made the primary chart for regular season record only. This matches other charts as they primarily show regular season stats. I left in charts for postseason wins and regular + postseason to match the format of its sister article List of National Football League career quarterback wins leaders. Also update win % to not include pre-1972 ties, which were not counted in a team or coach's record based on the rules at the time.
  3. Updated records to show W-L-T for each team. Previously, ties for reach team were omitted and only the total number of ties was included, which could be confusing.
  4. Removed the convention of using win % to "break ties" between coaches with the same number of wins. The NFL does not use win % to break these ties, so it is not Wikipedia's place to do so. Coaches with the same win total are now listed alphabetically.

Frank AnchorTalk 12:23, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"Career wins" vs. "Combined regular and postseason wins"[edit]

@Frank Anchor: - While "career" may imply only regular season wins, that implication is not accurate. Career accurately refers to all of a head coach's wins and it is a more concise wording than "combined regular and postseason wins".

In keeping with how coaches' infoboxes state "career" instead of "combined regular and postseason", it would be better for the article to use "career" in reference to every win during a head coach's NFL career. Bluerules (talk) 14:57, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"Career" can be misleading because it can reasonably mean just regular season wins or combined regular season and postseason wins. I think a more appropriate action is to change "career wins" to "combined regular and postseason wins" or simply "combined wins" on each coach's infobox, but that would take some time. "combined regular and postseason" is concise enough, as it is only four words and completely eliminates any ambiguity. Frank Anchor 17:22, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that "career" can be misleading, but it still means the career as a whole, not just regular season and postseason wins. When "regular season" and "postseason" area already identified in separate categories (as with the infoboxes), it should be clear to readers that "career" is not treading the same ground. "Combined regular and postseason wins" isn't concise enough when it can be reduced to one or two words. That's why the infoboxes simply say "career"; too much wording upsets the formatting. At the very least, we could say "combined wins" in this article. Bluerules (talk) 20:41, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I understand that rationale for infoboxes on coaches' page, but having a five-word section header, (such as "Combined regular and postseason wins" on this page) is not at all uncommon and worth giving up a little conciseness in exchange for a lot of clarity. Frank Anchor 21:17, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think it's a big deal to use that header, although I think simply saying "combined" is another possible alternative. I'd be curious to see if other editors have thoughts on which header wording should be used. Bluerules (talk) 22:33, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Updates needed[edit]

The 2021 NFL season is over. This page needs updated BADLY.

A few win percentages are wrong[edit]

Is there any way to make this a calculated column? Otherwise, we should just update those values. Jelleecat (talk) 03:51, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The reason they may appear wrong is that ties were excluded from calculating winning percentage until the 1972 season when they began to count as half a win and half a loss. This is most likely the reason for May perceived errors and definitely the reason why it is not a calculated column. 2600:1016:B022:EA94:7C08:5D28:E548:98E1 (talk) 05:51, 26 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Bringing back the combined regular season and postseason wins column[edit]

Hello, all! With New England Patriots head coach closing in on late head coach Don Shula’s combined regular season and postseason wins record, don’t you guys think that it would make a lot of sense bringing that column back to this page? It makes absolutely no sense that the column was removed, especially since Belichick moved up to second place surpassing late coach George Halas by defeating the Cleveland Browns this season. I’m only appealing to bring the column back since Wikipedia is supposed to provide a brief reference for just about everything and removing the column only complicates sports researchers who are looking to see who’s who on the list of most regular season wins or combined regular season and postseason wins. I’m letting Wikipedia know to return the combined regular season and postseason wins column, especially since Belichick is expected to surpass coach Shula for first place sometime around either the 2023 or 2024 season, if he doesn’t retire! — Preceding unsigned comment added by PhiladelphiaWanderer34 (talk • contribs) 02:28, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Strong oppose. Combining regular and postseason stats on these pages has already been discussed and settled at an RFC here less than three months ago, and affirmed here in the past few weeks. In both cases, there was overwhelming consensus to keep regular and postseason stats separately. NFL records do not recognize postseason stats/wins as part of a player/coach's career totals so it is not Wikipedia's place to do so. Frank Anchor 03:20, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks for responding! I’ve always found it curious why there was a combined regular season and postseason wins column for head coaches and I’ve always found that information interesting. I find the combined stats similar to how Tom Brady’s combined regular season and postseason yardage is considered since Brady is the first ever QB to pass for more than 100K ever in a career.
    While Belichick now has the second most combined regular season and postseason wins in the NFL, and numerous sources have taken note, and Wikipedia once had that column, I’ve found the combined wins colum very interesting. A shame that it won’t be posted again, but once Belichick surpasses Shula to be the coach with the most combined regular season and postseason wins, it will be noteworthy for Belichick and I expect a lot of sources, including Wikipedia, to note that, as well as if Belichick surpasses Shula in regular season wins. PhiladelphiaWanderer34 (talk) 02:07, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    The NFL tracks regular and postseason stats separately, so that is what we must do here. When and if Belichick passes Shula for most combined wins, that will get some coverage, and that content would be a notable piece of trivia on Belichick’s page (and possibly Shula’s), but it should not be included here. Frank Anchor 14:39, 27 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I think the full list should be brought back. Even though the NFL tracks wins separately in an official sense, de facto practice for coaches is to consider the combined win total and Shula’s 347 combined total is more cited than his 328 regular season total. Including the fact the when he died the Dolphins added a Shula 347 and not Shula 328 patch to their jersey. To omit combined win totals from this page just makes no sense it that light even if they are not officially tracked together by the NFL itself. The discussion cited early being applied to coaching stats is improper because the actual RFC applied mainly to player stats, particularly in regard to Brady and the decision reached does not accurately reflect the way coaching wins are dealt with by the sports media. 2600:1016:B022:EA94:7C08:5D28:E548:98E1 (talk) 06:01, 26 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    While this is generally not recognized for players it is common practice to recognize combined wins and not merely regular season or postseason wins only for coaches. Not having a combined column present anymore hurts the informational qualify of this page and makes it inconsistent with how coaching wins are generally discussed. Instead of removing it a note that the NFL does not official count the combined total would have been far more appropriate. 2600:1016:B022:EA94:7C08:5D28:E548:98E1 (talk) 05:53, 26 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Strongly Support the discussion cited by other users and its decision is mostly about player stats and it doesn’t give an accurate picture of how coachibg wins have historically been treated. Combined wins are extremely prevalent in use for coaches and not having them listed anywhere on this page makes it significantly less valuable as many who find the page will not find what they are looking for due to its exclusion. 2600:1016:B022:EA94:7C08:5D28:E548:98E1 (talk) 06:04, 26 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The RFC specifically referenced "other articles with the same problem [of combining regular and postseason accomplishments]," which would include this page. It also makes no reference of being exclusively for stats related to players. The NFL is the authority on how its stats are recorded so it is not Wikipedia's place to combine regular season and postseason accomplishments when the league doesn't do so itself. Adding what one user considers "informational quality" does not trump the league's official stance. Frank Anchor 12:53, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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