Talk:List of National Historic Landmarks in South Carolina

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Photos needed[edit]

Photos are needed for 40-50 of the 77 NHLs in SC.

KudzuVine has been adding pics at a fast pace, mostly black and white photos from the Historic American Buildings Survey, taken in the 1930's up to the 1960's usually. This is great! Although we still would like to get recent color pics for these, also. doncram (talk) 16:04, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Wow, I think i count 68 of the 77 have pics now. And 2 of the 3 historic National Park Service areas. Thanks so much for this effort! For a couple island archaeological sites it will be nearly impossible to get pictures. There remain a few houses, and the Kings Mountain battlefield, that I would hope pics would show up for, but it is now a very well-illustrated article. Big picture wise, the fleet of photos makes clear the wealth that South Carolina had, and its taste for classical architecture. That is a dramatic picture we could not understand without the photos. doncram (talk) 02:06, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What is to be done?[edit]

I would be happy to help bring this article to Featured List nomination, if others are interested. The main things necessary, in my view, would include:

  • finish adding 3 main references (SC DAH link, NHL summary link, NRHP text/photos) to last few articles (Charles Pinckney National Historic Site, a couple of the ships)
  • doing another complete pass through the 77+3 articles indexed, and bring each one of those up to Start rating. Some are clearly Start already and should be promoted already. We have at least a couple good sources for almost all the articles, so there is material available, but in some cases it would be necessary to do a bit of development. Like the company town one, there is basic material for it but the article does not reflect it, so I would hesitate to promote that to Start yet. Also any place where it is just mentioned that "The SC DAH summary is here" should be changed to actually say something from that reference.
  • Having all 80 articles rated Start would justify promoting this list-article to B-Class, by the standard proposed for WP:NRHP list-articles, and would generally ensure that a reader's experience with this list would be satisfying. My goal would be to have short descriptions in the list-article that relate directly to material in the corresponding NHL articles, the same way each photo here should appear, larger, in its corresponding article.
  • Developing the short description of each NHL in this list article. About 15 are missing any description or are cryptically too short. There should be enough description to interest some readers, or in other words to allow a reader to have good idea if the site matches his/her interests, to inform the reader's decision to go into the article itself.
  • A good lead of 1-4 paragraphs describing, in summary terms, the 77 NHLs is needed. Some of it would be geographical distribution, as in counting the number of counties covered in the distribution of NHLs in the state. Going further, one approach is to do tallies of the NHLs of various types, and to write sentences supported by reference footnotes backing up the tallies. I added an architect summary count that way. Other generalizations could usefully be identified and supported. Such as how many are plantation mansions? Perhaps tally how many houses / mansions significant for their architecture were built before 1700 (a few), before (1800), before the Civil War outbreak, vs. after the Civil war. How many institutions covered (like prison one and Old Marine Hospital). How many archaeology sites, how many houses significant not for their architecture but rather for association with a famous person (e.g. Denmark Vesey House).
  • I think the list-article already meets several of the Wikipedia:Featured list criteria: it is useful, comprehensive, and factually accurate (with references including those in the 80 indexed articles). It is uncontroversial, stable, and well-developed, in my view. It has images that are free content. I think it just needs some more development of the articles and corresponding short descriptions, and of the lead, and it is good to go.
  • I would go through a peer review first. Only one other list-article of NHLs has gone that far, the List of National Historic Landmarks in New York, but that was before the color-coding system was invented, and we have yet to hear anyone else's comments about if that is working.
  • Note, there is no such thing as "Good List", and this, as a list, is not eligible for Good Article review.
  • Then nominate it directly for Featured List.

That's what I see is necessary/possible. It's not too much work, but still could take some time. What do others think is necessary/ possible, what are others interested in doing now, i would be interested to hear. Cheers, doncram (talk) 02:06, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

When I go to edit the first NHL, maybe to add birth-death years of Wm Aiken for example, before promoting its rating to start, I kinda get stymied because the NPS web system is down. It has been down for a couple days. Rats. doncram (talk) 19:27, 5 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Intro text drafting[edit]

Here are some incomplete, draft statements that might be used to expand the intro to the article.

There are ___ battlefields and other military sites of the American Revolutionary war[1] and the American Civil War[2]

There are ___ protestant churches in Charleston and Columbia, ___ protestant "back-country" churches, ___ Catholic churches, and one synagogue (the second oldest in the U.S.).

There are ___ plantation houses, mansions, or houses significant for their architecture

There are ___ public and/or institutional buildings including the South Carolina State House, a prison, and hospital or mental institutions.

There are ___ banks or other commercial buildings.[3]

There are ___ places listed for their association with slaves or former slaves.[4]


References

  1. ^ Camden Battlefield
  2. ^ Burt-Stark Mansion
  3. ^ Commercial buildings include: William Aiken House and Associated Railroad Structures, ___
  4. ^ Places associated with slaves are: Robert Smalls House, Denmark Vesey House

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