Talk:List of PlayStation Portable games/Archive 1

Lists for PSP games

Was the list for psp games with wi-fi deleted, because it's not there anymore. I think a better solution would be to have a chart for each letter of psp games, where we could put an X under the features such as Ad-Hoc, infrastructure, or game sharing. What template would be good, and does anyone else think that it would be a better idea rather than having a separate list for each feature, or would this break the status quo of other game lists? --Herzog 00:39, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

I think a 'pure' list is a good thing to have, but I think it would also be a good idea to have a "comparison of psp games" article. - James Foster 13:08, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

I think one list would be a good idea that showed what minimum firmware it requires, what multiplayer modes it has etc.

If someone has lots of time on their hands, they might like to compare this list with Sony's list at: [1]. I've already spotted some games on Sony's list that were not on this one, and added them. - James Foster 14:08, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

I think only one list for ALL PSP games should be used. All the details of whether it's a wifi game or the like should be left in their respective article. If it's absolutely necessary to list each game's feature on this list, than it should look something like the article showing a Comparison_of_container_formats. Ceros 15:39, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

I've definitely looked specifically for a list of games with wifi capability, and I believe it's something that is worth listing. It's way too much of a hassle for someone looking for simple information like that to have to go through the page for each and every game (especially considering that the respective articles may not even make mention of it. - Dan Kimmons 05:13, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

List Clean-up

This list seriously in need of an update. TomS64 05:45, 17 Mar 2006 (UTC)

Yes it does. Added {{cleanup-list}} template. Also, each game must include at least one reference. Ceros 15:51, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

If I may ask, what needs cleaned up about it specifically? Yes, there's things to change, but what specifically warrants a clean-up tag? --Suttkus 04:24, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Every game on the list is unverified. That is why I posted the tag. Ceros 01:35, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Every game on the list is a link. Verification should occur in the article devoted to the game, not clutter up what is essentially a list of references to other articles. --Suttkus 13:48, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Please take a look at Wikipedia's official policy of verifiability. Yes, it would be much easier to click on each game and hope to find sources for the game there but not every game on this list has an article. People are left to determine whether the game actually exists or not. As far as cluttering goes, the idea I have for referencing each game goes something like this list. If anyone can think of a better way to do the referencing feel free to contribute. Ceros 14:33, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't see anything in the verifiability standard that requires the verification to be on a list page. I agree that not every game having an article is a problem, but I see that as the problem, not the lack of a reference here. Each game should have an article (even if only a stub) and it should include a link to a source verifying it's existence. This should more than suffice for the verification standard.

The List of PlayStation 1 games is certainly better formatted than this list overall, but the references are obscure and confusing. If you hadn't given me the link in the context of providing examples of such references, I wouldn't have had a clue why the seemingly random link was being presented after the name of the games. A column for official sites would be better, but those don't exist for many older games (not such a problem for the PSP (yet), but consistency with other such lists is a worthy goal).

And, if your complaint is about references, wouldn't a "This page does not cite it's sources" be a better Request-for-work box at the top?

So, we have a difference of opinion. Anyone else want to weigh in? --Suttkus 14:55, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Let me add that I consider this page not so much an article as a glorified category page. Category pages neither have nor need sources; they provide links to articles that provide sources. The only thing this page should be above a simple category page is better formatted (which, currently, isn't, but that's another issue). --Suttkus 16:45, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Ok, here's the List guideline for Wikipedia. You still have to cite the sources in some way for each entry, otherwise others can challenge whether an entry is true or not. The best example for any list for console games is the List of Virtual Boy games which is a featured list on Wikipedia. They cite their sources although it didn't have to be a reference for each game since Nintendo published an official list of all games for the virtual boy.

For links, I discussed in the talk page for the List of PlayStation 1 games that it would be better to just have an arrow next to each game to point to a link, and then have all sites that was used be referenced at the bottom. If anyone has a different or better way to do the referencing, please discuss on the talk pages.

I suppose the {{unreferenced|article}} tag could have been used. This list still requires a cleanup regardless.

Categories and lists are different in Wikipedia. This list is not a category of any form nor is it intended to be one. This list is a list for the advantages they have over categories. Ceros 17:25, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, then I'll take my discussion to List guideline before deciding it's not worth arguing over.  :-) --Suttkus 05:37, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Firmware Version

Is it such a good idea to add the required firmware version numbers after the games? There's a handful of games with the version numbers affixed, but why certain games and not all games? Kelvinhole 12:54, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah we need to remove this. The whole thing with firmware is that firmware can't run Emulation since Emulating is illegal it would be against Wikipedia policy to provide such information about what needs what to run, plus it just looks sloppy. Deathawk 01:20, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

As it happens, I agree so I've removed the firmware requirements. --Doc711 17:04, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

I wholly disagree here. Many PSP users do not like upgrading their system software regularly and would like to know what the firmware requirements are before they buy a game, since games that require a higher firmware than what they have will not run due to the restrictions Sony has placed on the PSP in this regard. In fact there already is an orphaned article dealing with this: List of PlayStation Portable firmware compatibilities. I believe that merging it with this article under a "Firmware Compatibility" column would be very helpful and less cluttered. If no one objects, I could handle that. I also happen to be sitting on a very large list of compatibilities, besides what is in the article I linked to, which could fill in nearly all of the games listed here. --KabutoHunter 4:09, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

For the record, emulation is NOT illegal... get your facts straight. Cyrus777 (talk) 17:35, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Actually unofficial console emulation is illegal under U.S. law. Sorry. MrKIA11 (talk) 14:50, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Passport to...

I broke up the entry for "Passport to..." into separate titles. The former entry linked to the cities rather than to the video game articles (which, so far, do not exist).

I'm not familiar with the series, but it might be better to make a single article on the series as a whole.--Suttkus 14:42, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

PS3 downloadable games for PSP

I wasn't sure if this went in this discussion or the main PSP discussion, but shouldn't there be a list of PS1 games for the PSP downloadable through the PS3? - Jigsy 21:46, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm including all games that can be played on the PSP on the list, including downloadable ones. MrKIA11 (talk) 14:53, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

PSP List of Games

If any PSP game (new and old) can't be found via the search function. Then don't insert the "[[ ]]" around the game name. - Zeta26 14:01, August 29 2007 (UTC)

Adding Games

Do not add games until we get more info on them or that other people start entering info on the particular game. - Zeta26 20:05, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Calculations

Is it possible for us to easily calculate how many games are on the list. I have noticed that most of the list of games for or list of books for generally don't have statistics, so I was wondering if it is possible for that to be calculated like the age of a person is on most bio's —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.1.166.225 (talk) 19:34, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Star Ocean & The Second Story

Did I not get to you guys the first time? I said do not add titles until we get more info. The second title is NOT titled; "The Second Story". It is titled; Second Evolution. The first game is titled; Star Ocean: First Departure. Not "Star Ocean" Zeta26 12:23, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Canceled Games

Should canceled games even be on this list, because technically it can't really be a game if it wasn't published, right? MrKIA11 19:28, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Regions

Should non-English regions be included, as this is the English wiki page? Other regions could have their own list. MrKIA11 20:17, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Table Format

Should the table be sortable as is List of PlayStation 3 games? I think that would be better. It would involve having only 1 table, but you can still jump to a specific letter. MrKIA11 23:20, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Games in Development

Should games that are in development have their own table as in List of PlayStation 3 games? MrKIA11 19:54, 24 October 2007 (UTC)