Talk:List of Special Areas of Conservation in the Republic of Ireland

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Convert to tables?[edit]

Hi all, I have been working on using this data for the first Irish Wiki Loves Earth competition list, which hopefully will result in more photographs of these sites. I also created the list article for Nature Reserves in Ireland. I was wondering if converting this article into a table would improve its readability? Especially as the NPWS have their data on these sites available for download under a CC-BY-SA licence? Smirkybec (talk) 10:01, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes the table would be clearer, and would remove the repeating link in the subheadings. Arnkellow (talk) 20:00, 19 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Great! I will make a start this week in my user space, and can link to it here. When it's ready to go we can copy-paste it over so that it all happens at once. Would it make more sense to organise by province, or will we stick to county-by-county? Smirkybec (talk) 22:13, 19 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The others I have seen are Province and then subbed(?) into counties alphabetically. Also the references need updating for these. I can do that now, if my internet doesn't cut, and they con be ready to transfer. Arnkellow (talk) 17:39, 20 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I've started on it in my sandbox - it is probably going to take me a while! Smirkybec (talk) 11:50, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Arnkellow: I've finished converting the current list into a table here - see what you think. I used the NPWS dataset, which is openly licenced, as a source rather than adding inline citations to the table. But if we want to add those citations in, we can. I'll wait to see what you and others think before I replace the current lists. Smirkybec (talk) 19:12, 27 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah looks good to me. I am still newish on here so stuff like NPWS dataset is new to me, but I think I understand the advantage here of using it instead of inline citations. Arnkellow (talk) 12:25, 28 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Guliolopez: and @Declangi: seeing as you are both more experienced editors, and have edited this page, I thought you might have thoughts on this? Retain the inline citations in the new table or not? Thanks! Smirkybec (talk) 12:31, 28 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I also cross checked with the NPWS dataset and found a few sites missing from the existing list, and added a section for offshore SACs. Smirkybec (talk) 14:53, 28 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
(Respond to ping.) Table looks grand to me. Don't really have strong opinions on table V list myself. I would note that the Scottish/English/Welsh/NI lists remain as lists. While the German equivalents use tables. The main issue with tables is that they get very big very quickly. And, as seems to be the case with the German language/list articles, are so big that sub-lists might be required. As happened with List of National Monuments in Ireland. Which, when tables were used, had to be split by county and province. Anyway, tables look grand to me. Perhaps using the German ones as a template/model.... Guliolopez (talk) 22:38, 28 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That is every SAC in Ireland that is publicly listed (looking at the number sequencing, I think that there are some unlisted due to sensitivity of the sites). I was involved in some of the work that led to the National Monuments being split up, and I don't think the number of SACs get even close to number of listed monuments in Ireland, so I don't anticipate the list would get much larger in the foreseeable future. The table I've created is actually a bit shorter than the current list as there is less duplication of the sites that span multiple counties. In reference to the German lists, I haven't come across multiple numbering systems that appear there for Irish sites, and I did not link to the individual entries on the NPWS site, as looking at the list of SAC in NI (which is a table) all the links are currently dead. The only other information I would be tempted to add would be the GPS coordinates, especially if it looks like individual articles are unlikely to be created for the majority of these sites any time soon (though I am hoping to get them on to Wikidata in the future). Thanks! Smirkybec (talk) 22:59, 28 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Great work on this table. I think it's a big improvement on the previous format. It would be nice to see codes linked to individual NPWS SAC pages, e.g. IE0000622. Or to have the county-level NPWS citations from the current list moved to your new Sources section. Or both! Otherwise I don't currently see other columns needed and I think it's nice to keep the width such that one doesn't need to scroll right. Thanks Declangi (talk) 17:59, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Declangi: thanks very much! I didn't link to the individual NPWS pages, as I spotted on the NI list those links are all dead now, and unlike dead links in citations those links just sit there to rot. Just for formatting, where would you insert the county level citations, inline or as links in the sources section? Thanks again! Smirkybec (talk) 19:07, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding county-level citations, I just added to your sandbox two possibilities (Galway as example): citation at first mention of county and link under Sources. The citation at county may be a little unclear: that it is not a citation to the individual SAC page. I don't feel strongly one way or the other. But I do think it's important that readers have access to NPWS SAC pages at a level more granular than the full dataset. Declangi (talk) 20:13, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Speaking of List of Special Areas of Conservation in Northern Ireland, I've just updated the table's SAC URLs to current versions. In general re: URLs, my own inclination is to "be bold" and add useful URLs where appropriate. Wikipedia bots are being constantly created or refined, to go around repairing or tagging such situations. And good websites (I consider Irish Government ones to be of a high standard) will often implement redirect systems, allowing URL upgrades while keeping old-format links working. Declangi (talk) 00:47, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Declangi: I went with the individual URLs here as well, and just copied the tables over in the article now. Thanks very much for updating the NI list URLs, one less thing for my do to list! I'm going to be starting a draft for a new list article for Special Protection Areas in the next few days as well, and will use the same schema. Thanks again! Smirkybec (talk) 01:11, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
This looks really good. A lot of great work put in. The photos add so much. The SAC URLs were a lot of work, but I think will serve the reader well for those list entries that don't have their own articles or mentions elsewhere. Thanks Declangi (talk) 04:08, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! I worked for a long time as a documentation assistant which involved a lot of data entry, so it's almost relaxing for me to do it. Thanks for pushing me to do the URLs, you're right it serves the reader much better. I've been working my way through all the Irish nature reserves trying to write up articles, and it is tough to find any more information on some of them beyond what it on the NPWS site and I'd imagine even more so for these sites. I've started the draft for SPAs, and trying to focus on writing articles some of the sites that have multiple designations (and more sources then) such as Ramsar sites. Thanks again! Smirkybec (talk) 10:30, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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