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List and sources[edit]

Why is Karsang Namgyal Sherpa considered to have died of ams and not as we know from overdose of alcohol at Base Camp as we all know it and how it is also reported by sources like alan arnatte (also source for chinese climbers dead)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.89.107.9 (talk) 21:02, 21 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This list is not at all complete, nor does it provide any sources. Excluding the current season, there have been 203 and 64 deaths on Everest and K2 respectively. Viewfinder 08:55, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, it doesn't list any sources. I am just starting this page and I am using a variety of Web sources, but I haven't yet had time to fill them in. Feel free to help! Greg Kuperberg 09:25, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I cannot really help as I am not an authority on this subject, and the main source that I am aware of is copyrighted. Please state your sources immediately, and stop expanding this article further until you have done so. If you do not do this, we cannot verify that your information is correct and copyright clean. Viewfinder 16:23, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I added some sources for the old entries and I will add sources for my own new entries. But it's not true that you can't help. I am not an authority either. All you have to do to help is to Google the names on the page, say together with the year and the name of the mountain. That would be more constructive than just making demands. Greg Kuperberg 16:56, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Greg, thanks for starting this list, I think it will become a very useful page. Viewfinder, you are correct that sources are crucial, but I do think your tone was somewhat peremptory. I'll see if I have any time to contribute to this list myself. -- Spireguy 20:33, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't want to censure this list and I am sorry if I gave that impression. Infact, if it were all up to me the information would all be in the public domain. But it is not. This sort of thing should not be added to wikipedia without sources. If the climber has a wikipedia bio, and the information is in that bio, then a wikilink is adequate, but otherwise names should not be added to the page unless the source of the name is also added on the page at the same time, or the source is already listed as a general source in a reference section. Viewfinder 21:58, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Are you sure that the copying of names off Everest fatalities and Everest fatalities is OK? I may be wrong, but I am inclined to doubt it. Viewfinder 22:03, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If I copied a substantial part of the page from those two links, then I agree that it would be dubious with regard to copyright. But that isn't what I did. In fact, I only found those pages after many rounds of searches. Then I considered how those pages could be used defensibly. It seems to me that if you see a name on one of those lists, but then find and cite independent verification, then that has to be legitimate. Otherwise simply reading the copyrighted list would forever "taint" your work and prevent you from helping Wikipedia.

In fact, compiled lists are a well-known problem area in copyright law. The rules don't completely make sense, and probably they can't. Whoever made these two external list web pages probably wasn't nearly as careful about copyright as I am being. I would not be surprised if they were lifted from the Himalayan Database, edited by Elizabeth Hawley. We have to be free to duplicate her work, line by line, from online news sources; otherwise, again, the mere existence of her list would prevent us from making a good page. But it may be possible to get data from her with explicit approval; and it could save a lot of time. Greg Kuperberg 23:08, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Also: I understand the concern about wholesale plagiariasm in Wikipedia. It happens. However, there are reasons to trust me that I didn't plagiarize: I'm not anonymous, and I have added a lot of citations already. In this case, I don't see what's so terrible about back-filling citations. Most of the initial data came from Wikipedia pages that don't have citations themselves, you know. Greg Kuperberg 23:12, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, if noone else objects then neither will I. But you should ensure that you cite the independent verification, and add it at the same time as the name. Viewfinder 23:17, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

We will never do away with concerns about copyright infringement on Wikipedia. If we want to be extremely anal, we would have to delete upwards of three quarters of the articles in Wikipedia. I have absolutely no problem with how this page is coming together. QuinnHK 04:34, 3 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fake entry[edit]

I think, the "Laura Newman" entry in the list of Everest deaths is a fake, since searching for the name and "Everest" in Google lists nothing. The same IP added "Andy Lau" (a chinese pop artist) a few hours earlier, which was reverted later. --87.177.252.245 (talk) 00:14, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Notable entries only please[edit]

http://www.everestsummiteersassociation.org/listofdeadoneverst.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.180.252.154 (talk) 02:20, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Longstanding WP practices (spelled out at WP:BIO, WP:MOSLIST and numerous other places) limit list entries to notable entries only; accordingly I am going to begin the process of removing the non-notable names from the list.

Anyone considering adding a person to this list should keep in mind the following from the Wikipedia:Lists (stand-alone lists) guideline:

"Ideally each entry on the list should have a Wikipedia article but this is not required if it is reasonable to expect an article could be forthcoming in the future."

To test the reasonableness of your expectations, you may want to create the article on the person first and then add them to this list. UnitedStatesian (talk) 05:27, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This is a draconian reading of the Wikipedia notability policy. Only a few hundred people have died climbing the eight-thousanders, and they are all notable precisely for that reason. Every time that someone dies on Mount Everest or the others, it's an interesting story. You have wiped out half of the interest in this page in order to adhere to the letter more than the spirit of the rules. Greg Kuperberg 00:50, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Since we disagree, would you like me to get broader input to our issue on the talk page for WP:BIO? UnitedStatesian 04:52, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Greg that removing the entries is too strict a reading of the guideline. Compare, for example, the List of minor characters in Dilbert (mentioned at Wikipedia:Lists (stand-alone lists)). How are those more notable than the people who died on Eight-thousanders? As to each individual's notability, almost every fatality on these peaks is noted in at least the American Alpine Journal, and almost always in other climbing journals and other sources. Equally important, the list of those who died on each peak is relevant information about that peak; it just happens to be collected here as well for convenience. I really think that this is a list where completeness (to the extent possible) is more reasonable than pruning for maximum notability.

I would be interested to hear other input from WP:BIO. -- Spireguy (talk) 19:47, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

We still need to come to a consensus on this issue. (I note that UnitedStatesian recently edited again on the basis of having only notable entries.) Here's a proposal: instead of just a bare list, perhaps what is needed is an article on "Deaths on eight-thousanders", with some overview and analysis, and (hopefully, eventually) complete lists. In that context, a complete list for each peak would be useful, e.g. one could perhaps look at the list for a certain peak and see if anyone from a particular country had died on that peak. Comments? -- Spireguy (talk) 14:39, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My big issue is with verifiablity, a Wikipedia policy. There are sources on this page for the Everest deaths. If someone adds a blue link in one of the other mountains, I can go to the article and presumably get the source of their death. But a red link, with no sources? If someone adds Joe Mountaineer, and the link is unsourced and red? How can I know where that person died, that that person died, or that they even existed? This verifiablity issue is why I started an essay encouraging editors to Write the Article First. Comments welcome, here or there. UnitedStatesian (talk) 05:15, 12 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. I think I read SG's comment as also suggesting expanding the information for each person on this list, like adding their nationality; I agree with any such expansion/ improvement; a sortable table would be a good method for soing so. UnitedStatesian (talk) 05:18, 12 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's a valid concern, but in the end, your drastic deletions caused the problem that they were intended to prevent. I had carefully compiled outside sources for most of the names on the list that were removed, and the names were not red-linked because they were not linked at all. I will put them back today. Greg Kuperberg (talk) 13:57, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

But there is no consensus for your edits either, reading all the non-notable names; doing so is directly contrary to the WP:MOSLIST guideline. I think we need to get broader consensus, either at RfC, or through an AfD discussion. UnitedStatesian (talk) 14:31, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Seeking a broader consensus with an RfC is fine. But in the meantime, please don't delete content that other people find both interesting and encyclopedic. Let me add that it took real work to compile this information. Our argument is that these people are notable as a group precisely because they died climbing the eight-thousanders. Many students of mountain-climbing see it the same way. Your interpretation of the guidelines seems to be first, that they are actually strict rules rather than common-sense guidelines; and second, that the deaths on the eight-thousanders are a trivia list that would stretch out to the horizon without a cutoff. Neither of these is the case.

For the same reason, invoking AfD discussion for this page is way too aggressive. Again, people think that the content is notable. The page has unique content that was published many times in encyclopedic form before Wikipedia even existed. Following your reasoning, you would have to delete half of the pages for Olympic Medalists. Greg Kuperberg (talk) 18:04, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like to add another comment to UnitedStatesian. I see that your page describes you as a "deletionist". I totally understand that philosophy and in principle I also agree with it. But the right way to be a deletionist is to prioritize. It isn't reasonable to just target pages at random that might be breaking the rules; you should instead go after the worst offenders. The long pages special page is rife with them. If you want to sack the List of Statutory Instruments of the United Kingdom, 1996, then I'll applaud you. That really is a ridiculous laundry list that can't possibly be useful to readers. In fact, it's only a tiny fraction of the real list, since it's only for one year. That content clearly belongs in a special-purpose database and not in Wikipedia.

You should consider the effect on both readers and editors if you throw the book at misdemeanors and ignore felonies in your effort to clean up Wikipedia. Greg Kuperberg (talk) 18:24, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There are several differences between this page and the ones you cite. First, no matter how popular in the mountaineering community, eight-thousand meters is an arbitrary number (see WP:BIGNUMBER, and to your comment about putting in a lot of work, I definitely appreciate it, but see WP:EFFORT). Olympic Medalists are not arbitrary; you either won one or you didn't. Second, AfD after AfD has determined that how someone died does NOT make them notable. Third, I agree that List of Statutory Instruments of the United Kingdom, 1996 is an abomination, but it has already gone through 2 AfDs and survivied, so I accept community consensus and focus my attention elsewhere - I didn't think there were felonies and midemeanors on WP. All of this said, I am glad you agree that a broader consensus has desireable, and have not made (and will not make) any edits here before getting it: are you willing to make the same commitment to wait? I wish you hadn't simply let 3 months pass and then pretended my concern had magically disappeared. UnitedStatesian (talk) 18:42, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, 8000 meters is anything but an arbitrary cut-off. It may once have been arbitrary, but the 8000-meter peaks have long been recognized by the mountain-climbing community as a special class. There are books and web sites devoted specifically to these 14 peaks. It is the Olympics of extreme mountain-climbing; that is what the community picked.

Second, I'm not saying that the fashion in which these people died makes them notable. What I'm saying is that these deaths are all notable parts of the history of these important mountains. Moreover, many of the people listed here already do have Wikipedia pages and are notable in their own right. It is then both intellectually incomplete and insensitive to just list them and not the people who died with them. Is Wikipedia supposed to list Francys Arsentiev, because she's "famous", but not her husband Sergei who died looking for her? In context, it is this cutoff between "famous" and "not famous" that is arbitrary, and not the cutoff at 8000 meters. After all, many of the other people on this list were accomplished climbers and they are close to getting their own pages.

Third, these points beg the question of who exactly is "the community". There is the community of Wikipedia admins and high-activity editors, and there is the community of readers interested in a specific topic such as mountain-climbing. The former is supposed to consider the interests of the latter. You shouldn't just play an inside game of RfCs and AfDs.

On that note I have trouble believing that all of the inane pages on the long pages list, from poker odds to Japanese train stations, have survived AfD discussions. I just gave one example out of many before. Even for those have been defended from AfDs, many of these cases that are, as you say, abominations, and they undercut the credibility of Wikipedia insiders as a group. They go against the idea of reading guidelines as gospel.

Finally, the reason that I lost patience and started editing the page again is: (1) After you deleted content and promised a discussion, nobody followed up; (2) someone else came to support my original position; and (3) you said that the real concern was to avoid undocumented redlinks, which meant that the deletion caused the problem that it was intended to solve.

I would be happy to wait for a discussion, as long as there actually is one and as long as it isn't a game of "delete first and ask questions later". Greg Kuperberg (talk) 19:29, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I see both points of view here as having merit, but I come down more on the side of keeping the entries. As I suggested above, I think of this page as the seed for a more thorough discussion of the topic of climbing deaths on 8000 meter peaks. To be accurate as a record of, say, which peaks have more deaths, it is best that it be complete (or as complete as possible). Certainly, it should be carefully sourced for verifiability, but evidently Greg is paying attention to that with his recent edits. Also, I agree with Greg that the 8000 meter group is a very commonly accepted special class; in fact most peaks in the 7800-8000 meter range, for example, are almost completely ignored after their first ascent, since they fail to reach the magic number. -- Spireguy (talk) 20:33, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This is an idiotic article and complete listcruft. I agree that only verified and notable people should be included. Dying in the throes of the self-indulgent act of climbing a hunk of rock is not "notability". Purge the names of the nobodies and leave the Sir Edmunds. Erase everyone else.139.48.25.61 (talk) 14:59, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Conceptual discussion would be great[edit]

I agree that it would be additional useful content to discuss why people die on these mountains. I am not an expert in mountain-climbing itself; I brushed up on these historical records just out of curiosity. In any case one reason that I made the page was as a sober counterpart to the overly dramatic near-death accounts such as "Into Thin Air". A clinical list of names, and a clinical discussion of what goes wrong, might teach people something about not rushing in where angels fear to tread. (Some of the dramatic stories somehow undermine the message and teach the opposite.) Greg Kuperberg (talk) 21:48, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Has been added to WP:3O[edit]

Figure that was a good first step prior to RfC. UnitedStatesian (talk) 00:33, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, I don't mind, but wouldn't that in this case be a fourth opinion? Greg Kuperberg (talk) 04:05, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Assume your tongue is firmly in cheek. UnitedStatesian (talk) 14:24, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No it isn't. "Third opinion is a means to request an outside opinion in a dispute between two editors." But in this discussion, we already have Spireguy. Greg Kuperberg (talk) 14:31, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, I removed it from WP:3O, and will add it to RfC when I have a chance. UnitedStatesian (talk) 14:46, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm still not against a discussion, but with the major news that 11 people died on K2, it makes little sense to suspend edits entirely this week. Greg Kuperberg (talk) 17:13, 4 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. UnitedStatesian (talk) 23:16, 4 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lists are not copyrightable[edit]

It's my understanding that lists, as lists, are not copyrightable, based on the idea that information is free, but the way information is arranged can be privately owned. If I list the chemical elements, from lightest to heaviest, I cannot copyright that list. It's only if I give them, for example, cute names, like Holly the Hydrogen atom, Oxy Oxygen, Beryl Beryllium (the sultry wench), and Pluto Plutonium and His Stray Electrons that I could copyright my list. Sincerely, with tongue in cheek, GeorgeLouis (talk) 06:14, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I suck at this, help?[edit]

I came to add Rich Hitch to the list but it's already been done without a source. I don't know how to add sources so many someone else can do it? Here is the entry at everest news http://www.everestnews.com/stories2011/deathoneverest05042011.htm and here is an article about him in a local newspaper http://www.news10.net/news/article/136307/29/Roseville-mountain-climber-dies-on-Mt-Everest. Thank you! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.220.190.202 (talk) 11:10, 9 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Done. The way I do inline citations is I click to position the cursor marker directly behind what I want to cite. Then I click on Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page). below the edit window. Copy/paste the citation data in between the <refs> so it looks like this:

~~1 May 2011 - Rick Hitch^[1]~~

~~Hit save and Wikipedia takes care of the rest. It automatically displays a footnote and adds your citation to the section with the reflist, assuming there already is one. Hope this helps.~~ Racerx11 (talk) 12:32, 9 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Haha, classic. I forgot how to show just the text code without it actually functioning. Im trying to help, but I guess I suck too. Anyway, you can see how this is done in the edit window. That's how I learned. I looked aat the edit window where someone else already did what I wanted to do and copied that. Racerx11 (talk) 12:40, 9 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Lets try this again. The way I do inline citations is I click to position the cursor marker directly behind what I want to cite. Then I click on <ref></ref> below the edit window. Copy/paste the citation data in between the <refs> so it looks like this:

1 May 2011 - Rick Hitch<ref>http://www.everestnews.com/stories2011/deathoneverest05042011.htm</ref>

Hit save and Wikipedia takes care of the rest. It automatically displays a footnote and adds your citation to the section with the {reflist}, assuming there already is one. Hope this helps and not completely confusing. Racerx11 (talk) 13:10, 9 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ http://www.everestnews.com/stories2011/deathoneverest05042011.htm

Underconstruction[edit]

FYI, I've added the {{Underconstruction}} template so other visiting editors are aware of the fact this page is being worked upon. I'll do my best to add some of the knowledge taht I have on K2 later on. Qwrk (talk) 15:56, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I've posted a kind thank you note and a request on User talk:81.82.149.236‎. Though I highly appreciate the effort of the contributions I must make one remark. Many references appear to point to adventurestats and I'd like to add a little to your knowledge. The original basis of adventurestats is the work of Eberhard Jurgalski and after relations turned a bit sour he decided to break free and stop the cooperation. After that split the data of adventurestats became (more) unreliable (sorry to say so) and the degree of reliability of 8000ers.com (Eberhard's site) has proved to be far more consistent and trustworthy. Hence my preference for data stemming from the 8000ers.com PDF's.

Another thing while we're at it; Flags... I know that when we do take to the other mountains we's going to have issues with nationalities / flags to be used. Some climbers (IMHO) really need a Yugoslav flag behind their name, dating from before the break up to the federation. Like the German climbers that fell on Nanga in the 30's should have a Nazi flag, as that was their state of origin.

Just a thought... Qwrk (talk) 09:01, 9 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I second that. Thanks to the IP who put in the effort, it is appreciated. I don't think having a Nazi / Yugoslav flag is a slur on the climbers reputations either. A similar thing can be said about the Irish. That's the country they came from at the time, which should be reflected in the data.Bezza84 (talk) 12:55, 9 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Tried contacting that Belgian IP-editor, actually there were 2 of them, but I suspect it's one and the same person. As yet to no avail, so I took out the remark again.

As for references - and me not being a programmer - I'm unsure how to combine all the references in the Lhotse section that all point to the Lhotse fatalities PDF on 8000ers.com, so any hint is welcome. (Else I will look into it when I do find time.) Another issue with regards to Lhotse is the fatalities listed for Lhotse South. Shall I merge them, you reckon'? Similar cases apply to Kangchenjunga as well as there are fatalities that just came out to climb Yalung Kang. Qwrk (talk) 08:24, 10 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No drama's. The easiest way is to use the cite tool within the editor window. If you look up the top, you'll see tabs saying 'advanced', 'special characters', 'help', and 'cite'. Click on cite, then on the templates drop menu click 'cite web'. You insert as much data as you can, and assign the reference a name. When referencing this entry in future, you type in < ref name="name of the reference">< / ref>. Try to keep the names short and meaningful. I've done the K2 table as an example, renaming the reference to 8000k2. Hope that helps. Bezza84 (talk) 14:18, 10 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Forgot to add, yeah - i'd be inclined to put them all in the same category. Still the same mountain, just a different route. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bezza84 (talk • contribs) 14:22, 10 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Bezza84, I'm amazed at what speed you appear to be doing this. Gob smacked might be a more appropriate term ;-) The article starts off with a note stating This is a list of some of the notable mountain climbers who have perished on these mountains., but IMHO transferring data from the PDF's and other sources will result in a list that more or less lists all climbers that have perished. Do we alter the accompanying note or do we weed out those not fitting the definition of notability, and if so, what's the definition for that anyway? Qwrk (talk) 10:36, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Lol, cheers. I've developed a few tricks to help me code quickly. A few other editors had the discussion about notability shortly after the article's creation. I personally believe that every single person who makes the effort to climb one of these mountains, and pays the ultimate price in the process, is notable. I thought about inserting a column to indicate whether or not the individual successfully submitted or not, but I felt that this detracted from the loss of the climber (as if by failing to summit, their loss was not as noteworthy). In my opinion, the introduction needs to be re-worded. Bezza84 (talk) 02:02, 12 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Another thing, part 1; there appears to be a problem with "reference C" (number 92). I've had a look at it but don't see what's wrong with its code.

I'll have a look at it a bit later on. The original reference might have been deleted accidentally... Bezza84 (talk) 02:02, 12 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Another thing, part 2; how are we going to sync activities? How do we make sure that all mountains and all climbers are entered at the correct place and correct date? Is there a way to add a check box where one can tick when one has entered all relevant data available?

I don't think there is a check-box function. I think the best way to approach it will be through observing the references. No reference, or dependance upon a singular widely referenced source, suggests that the data might not be reliable. Bezza84 (talk) 02:02, 12 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Another thing, part 3; is it possible to move the pictures up a wee bit so the column width increases? shift it to the left, maybe?

I believe that the image boxes and column widths automatically adjust. I intend to include a brief overview of each tragedy that has befallen the mountain, which will push the table down beneath the image anyway. Bezza84 (talk) 02:02, 12 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Qwrk (talk) 11:30, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Made a few corrections for

Yugoslavia and

Czechoslovakia but I'm in doubt whether to continue. Would one also correct the Khazaks of the early 90's / late 80's to fit the USSR flag? And in my earlier comment I changed "shit" to "shift" which, of course, was a typo ;-) Qwrk (talk) 08:39, 12 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

One idea might be to take out the template once you have finished entering all names from the PDF's or other sources?Qwrk (talk) 08:51, 12 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

References

UK flags[edit]

The United Kingdom flags within the tables should really reflect the states, and not the Kingdom. The UK is like the European Union - no one is born in the UK, they are born in England, Wales, Scotland or Ireland (which each have their respective flags). Refer to this image for more clarification: File:Nations_of_the_UK.png Bezza84 (talk) 14:35, 10 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I know, people born in England, Scotland, Wales and N. Ireland are british citizens, therefore the UK-flag should be okay. I've never heard of a scotish passport for example. And thats what I've to critize: why do spanish mountaineers have the spanish flag and the flag of their region?

It seemed counter-intuitive to me at first, but the Olympics classifies them as UK citizens as well so I concede the point. I've changed the flags in the list to reflect this. Bezza84 (talk) 07:39, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

And because we are on the subject: Hermann Schaller (died 9th August 1931, Kangchenjunga) is represented with a Nazi German flag. But Nazi Germany didnt existed until 30th January 1933. So he was propably citizen of the Weimar republic. 91.64.105.20 (talk) 00:43, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You're right. I'll look into it later on. For an informative clip on The Difference between the United Kingdom, Great Britain and England Explained in 5 Minutes check this. Qwrk (talk) 05:20, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I can't seem to find the correct code for the Weimar flag, so any help is appreciated. Similar issues arise with three Khazak nationals on Manaslu (1990); what to do with these? Qwrk (talk) 06:34, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The flag of the Weimar republic looks pretty much like the actual german one, but with a 3:2 ratio instead of 5:3.

Weimar Republic 91.64.105.20 (talk) 14:48, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that edit. Highly appreciated!

And a question on top of that, while we're at it; is there a more appropriate term for the era that now has the flags listed as "Nazi Germany"? Especially on Nanga Parbat I do have a stack of books in which this flag is displayed without any inhibition, but I'd be all for it were we to change it in any other applicable term. Qwrk (talk) 20:22, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

From 1871 to 1945 the official name of Germany was "Deutsches Reich" (German Reich). From 1943 to 1945 it called itself "Großdeutsches Reich" (Greater German Reich), but that was never officially proclaimed. There were three periods, the German Empire from 1871-1918, the Weimar Republic(1918-1933) and the Third Reich (1933-1945), but I doubt these were ever names in the sense of the international law. 91.64.105.20 (talk) 02:24, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Age?[edit]

I can find absolutely no citation that Shailendra Kumar Upadhyaya died of "Age" on Everest this year. I found indications that he died from altitude sickness aggravated by high blood pressure. Yes, he was 82 years old, but how do we get that he died of "Age" as a result? -Etoile ✩ (talk) 02:24, 17 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The following link ^[1] lists altitude sickness as cause of death. Feel free to edit this entry. Qwrk (talk) 08:32, 17 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5ioSoO_Ea8-30WLXmKAdzPvMSq1SA?docId=CNG.83211e693aa6f655ec3ce4f4b80eb637.1a1

Shall we include death on the way to BC?[edit]

I have just made some corrections and additions on the list, including two deaths during the 1921 Everest expedition. These two deaths happened on the way to BC. The Himalayan Database include them in its list of fatalities, while 8000ers.com doesn't.

Both options can be justified, it would just be good to have a consistent policy whether deaths during the approach to BC should be included or not. Any help appreciated.--Pseudois (talk) 14:28, 23 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Good question, thanks for that. I'm not sure why Eberhard [8000ers.com] doesn't list these so I'd have to go and check with him. It may be that HimDat does mention these as they'd be compiling stories from the literature they have access to. Will be back about this, and thanks again. Qwrk (talk) 23:37, 23 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Update, as Eberhard is quick in replying;

"In my list only those who die at base camp level, and higher up, of the mountain they intended climbing, and not those who die on the march in or march back, unless their death is a result from injuries sustained on the mountain (the base camp and above)! Kellas, for example, died about 100 km from Everest, so why should he be considered a victim of Everest?"

My suspicion is that Ms. Liz and Richard sum up all those who are listed as expedition members, either in reports or in literature. It's not even 6am right now in Kathmandu, so questioning them should come at another moment in time.

I'm inclined to favour Eberhard's approach, as we'd run the risk having to list all those who died whilst preparing for their expedition. Qwrk (talk) 01:53, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That perfectly fine with me, so let's stick to Eberhard's definition. I have removed my own addition regarding the two Everest deaths in 1921.--Pseudois (talk) 06:35, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Naming convention for South-Korean climbers.[edit]

G'day all,

I have an issue with which I could use some help, please.

Whilst doing corrections for a well known climbing magazine the issue was raised on what type of naming convention to use for South-Korean mountaineers. Wikipedia has a style in place which is the opposite of what's in use in mountaineering literature.

- The Himalayan Database [Liz Hawley] is using the "given name - surname" style of writing for the Koreans like it does with all other nationalities.
- Eberhard Jurgalski [8000ers.com] has the same method.
- Richard Sale; likewise.

A specialist on Korean writing gave us a little lecture about these names, so I'd like to propose changing these names to make them consistent and in line with the western style of notation.
Go Mi-Sun (or Go Mi-Yeong?) - would be written as; Mi-Young Go
Kim Jae-Soo - would be written as; Jae-Soo Kim
Oh Eun-Sun - would be written as; Eun-Sun Oh etc.

Qwrk (talk) 07:36, 22 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Dubious causes of death[edit]

"Frostbite" is not really a cause of death, this is a possible confusion with hypothermia, which is. Similarly, "exposure" is this context seems to be used as a synonym for hypothermia. Also, "disappearance" is not a cause of death, uses of "disappearance" could perhaps be changed to "unknown (disappeared)" or something similar so that the same information can be presented without mangling English too badly. Hairhorn (talk) 02:42, 25 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

2013 Nanga Parbat tourist shooting[edit]

There seems to be a need to debate whether the victims of this incident should be included on this page. As I see it the argument would revolve around whether deaths at base camp count as climbing the mountain, whether this article is just about climbing deaths or not and whether any such mention is an attempt to use the sport to further political aims and if so whether that should happen, or not. What do you think? Britmax (talk) 07:53, 5 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

After a month or so with no reply I would assume that everyone is happy with the status quo. Britmax (talk) 08:40, 15 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry that I'm late with this reply; I simply missed this topic.

In the statistics of 8000ers.com the general rule of thumb is that all people who perish at or above BC are listed. Even when this is a "new category" of fatalities - and let's hope these are the last to fit this description - the fact that they were already climbing the mountain warrants their inclusion. Hope this helps.

Qwrk (talk) 09:16, 15 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that. No problem with not having seen this before, this place is a maze. Britmax (talk) 09:24, 15 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding this recent edit. My understanding is that the intent here is to list all deaths that have occurred while climbing the 14 peaks with summit elevations of 8000 m plus, regardless of the elevation of the fatality itself, with base camp being the cutoff. So we are including any fatality, whether it be from exposure, illness, avalanche, technical malfunction or gun shot, as long as the cause of death occurs at or above the elevation of the given mountain's base camp. Is this correct? --RacerX¹¹ Talk to me^{Stalk me} 22:04, 16 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

They were all in the process of climbing the mountain when these shootings occurred, so that's the rationale of including them. I could even go as far as suggesting to include all who died as a result from climbing an 8000er, because an Australian acquaintance - Mick Parker - died in 2009 of pulmonary oedema a couple of days after having returned from Makalu, while he was already back in KTM. Qwrk (talk) 05:26, 17 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Racer, thanks for framing a question for discussion. I think you understand the problem. I'd agree with the idea that, unfortunately, due to geopolitical realities, mountaineers face risks that might be seen by some as new and unprecedented. Frankly, in more than one historic expedition, there have been stories that might be interpreted as instances in which one or more climbers leave another for dead for little reason other than geopolitical issues. Or selfish issues of debatable political significance. Ultimately, the problem for us at WP is the question of whether we want to be digging through conflicting reliable sources for the appropriate article that reliably collects relevant evidence of circumstances and reliably analyzes that evidence to pronounce a cause of death that fits some criteria we might set. I don't think that would ever work. Lots of climbers have been left behind at high locations for remarkably dumb and perhaps political reasons. Some of those are left for good reasons that are unfairly seen as political. Some are refused some necessary assistance, be it first aid, sustenance, water, whatever. Some have their essential gear taken. WP should not be culling through "reliable sources" to decide whether that death was attributable to the conduct of others, let alone deciding whether that conduct rises to the level of homicide and therefore might not "count". My thought is that the criteria is whether a climber's death occurred at basecamp or above. Steveozone (talk) 06:24, 17 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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It does not seem that Nima Tshering Sherpa has died[edit]

I'm not certain if this is the place for it, but it seems that a source was used to provide evidence of the death of Nima Tshering Sherpa on Makalu on May 24 2019 with no cause of death noted. However, after doing further research, it seems that a successful GoFundMe was created by Marina Cortes in May/June of 2019 to support Nima Tshering Sherpa with his injuries and his family as he was unable to work. There are photos of Nima Tshering Sherpa collecting the money along with pictures of his recovery. You can find this information by typing in "Nima Tshering Sherpa" AND "gofundme" into google.

The source used in wiki seems to have been published on May 24, 2019 with unconfirmed information.

^[1]

I believe his name should be removed from this list for the time being and further investigation should be conducted, if possible.

Thank you!

172.116.146.250 (talk) 05:08, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

hi,

due to the update of the himalayan database (see several new topics on the TALK) this seems to be correct. Nima Tshering Sherpa disappeared from the Makalu record, instead the update shows Nima Tenji Sherpa (Makalu-Barun) to have died on 2019, 24 May (same date, but - different person? type-o in the name? different spelling/transcription of the name? I don't know ...). I couldn't figure that one aut explicitely, but pls enjoy the updates I gave below.

best wishes, Wolfgang. 2A02:8071:287:95E0:2CD4:8F77:E720:7AB0 (talk) 11:33, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Technical error: ==Mount Everest== heading is not appearing[edit]

Does anyone know what is the cause of this error? Nir007H (talk) 15:20, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Looks OK to me (desktop, chrome). How are you viewing the page? NekoKatsun (nyaa) 19:56, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Death toll on Kangch + secondary summit[edit]

† 10 Yalung Kang – Kangtsch

Peak Name Yr/Seas Date Time Citizenship Sex Age Oxy Smt Cause of Death

YALU Takao Matsuda 1973 Spr May 15 Japan M 31 Y Y Fall 8100 m

YALU Sergio Hugo Saldana Meneses 1980 Spr May 04 Mexico M 25 No Y Fall 8400 m

YALU Alfonso Medina Rubio 1980 Spr May 04 Mexico M 26 Y Fall 8400 m

YALU Borut Bergant 1985 Spr Apr 22 21:00 Yugoslavia M 30 No Y Fall 8300 m

YALU Kyo-Sup Jin 1989 Win Dec 20 16:15 S Korea M 26 Y Y Fall 8500 m

YALU Ang Dawa Sherpa (Solukhumbu) 1989 Win Dec 20 16:15 Nepal M 29 Y Y Fall 8500 m

YALU Tchiring Chumbi (Tchiring Thebe) Sherpa (Nupri (Gorkha), Gandaki Zone) 1989 Win Dec 20 16:15 Nepal M 36 Y Y Fall 8500 m

YALU Chhanda Gayen 2014 Spr May 20 13:30 India F 34 Y Fall 8200 m

YALU Dawa Wangchu Sherpa (Tamku-5, Makalu-Barun) 2014 Spr May 20 13:30 Nepal M 28 Y Fall 8200 m

YALU Temba Sherpa 2014 Spr May 20 13:30 Nepal M 24 Y Fall 8200 m

† 52 Kangtsch

Peak Name Yr/Seas Date Time Citizenship Sex Age Oxy Smt Cause of Death

KANG Unknown 1905 Sum Dec 31 Nepal/India? M No Fall 6100 m KANG Unknown 1905 Sum Sep 01 Nepal/India? M No Fall 6300 m KANG Unknown 1905 Sum Sep 01 Nepal/India? M No Fall 6300 m KANG Alexis A. Pache 1905 Sum Sep 01 Switzerland M No Fall 6300 m KANG Unknown 1905 Sum Sep 01 Nepal/India? M No Fall 6300 m KANG Edgar Francis Farmer 1929 Spr May 27 USA M No Disappearance 6000 m KANG Chettan Sherpa 1930 Spr May 08 Nepal M No Avalanche 6000 m KANG Babu Lall 1931 Sum Dec 31 Nepal M No Illness/non-AMS 4600 m KANG Lobsang 1931 Sum Dec 31 Nepal M No Illness/non-AMS 0 m KANG Pasang Sherpa 1931 Sum Aug 09 17:00 Nepal M No Avalanche 6100 m KANG Hermann (Xaverl) Schaller 1931 Sum Aug 09 17:00 Germany M 25 No Avalanche 6100 m KANG Pemi Dorje Sherpa 1955 Spr May 26 Nepal M No Illness/non-AMS 5485 m KANG Sukhvinder Singh 1977 Spr Apr 08 11:00 India M 31 No Fall 5900 m KANG Jean-Jacques Ricouard 1981 Aut Oct 15 15:30 France M 28 No Y Fall 8000 m KANG Chris Howard Chandler 1984 Win Jan 15 20:00 USA M 36 No AMS 7620 m KANG Andrzej (Leszek) Czok 1985 Win Jan 11 22:00 Poland M 37 No AMS 7250 m KANG Phu Dorjee Sherpa 1987 Spr May 25 India M 37 No Y Fall 8500 m KANG Choten Tsering 1987 Spr May 25 India M No Y Fall 8500 m KANG Phupu Bhotia 1987 Spr May 25 India M No Y Fall 8500 m KANG Chander Singh 1987 Spr May 31 13:30 India M No Y Fall 8500 m KANG Dil Bahadur Rai 1987 Win Dec 10 Nepal M 28 No AMS 5300 m KANG Sung-Ho Lee 1987 Win Dec 11 S Korea M 35 No Illness/non-AMS 1900 m KANG Sanjay Borole 1988 Spr May 17 19:30 India M 27 No Exhaustion 6300 m KANG Marija Frantar 1991 Spr May 03 20:00 Yugoslavia F 35 Y Fall 8000 m KANG Joze Rozman 1991 Spr May 03 20:00 Yugoslavia M 36 Y Fall 8000 m KANG Pasang Sherpa 1991 Spr May 16 14:10 India M 26 Y Fall 8400 m KANG Ang Dorje Sherpa 1992 Spr Apr 25 23:00 Nepal M Y Other 6600 m KANG Lhakpa Nuru Sherpa 1992 Spr Apr 25 23:00 Nepal M Y Other 6600 m KANG Wanda Rutkiewicz 1992 Spr May 12 Poland F 49 No Disappearance 8250 m KANG Ekaterina Ivanova 1994 Aut Oct 09 Russia F 32 No Avalanche 6700 m KANG Sergei Jvirbiva 1994 Aut Oct 09 Belarus M 34 No Avalanche 6700 m KANG Iordanka Ivanova Dimitrova 1994 Aut Oct 23 11:30 Bulgaria F 41 No Avalanche 8300 m KANG Sukaraj Limbu 1995 Aut Dec 31 Nepal M No AMS 0 m KANG Pierre Alain Royer 1995 Aut Oct 05 France M 41 No Fall 8500 m KANG Riku Sherpa (Makalu-Barun) 1995 Aut Oct 06 09:30 Nepal M 33 No Fall 8250 m KANG Benoit Chamoux 1995 Aut Oct 06 19:00 France M 34 No Fall 8350 m KANG Atsushi Shiina 1998 Spr May 16 03:00 Japan M 27 No Y AMS 8200 m KANG Kenzo Akasaka 1998 Spr May 16 09:30 Japan M 30 Y Y Fall 8000 m KANG Do-Kyu Han 1999 Aut Sep 14 10:30 S Korea M 34 No Avalanche 6600 m KANG Myeong-Kun Hyun 1999 Aut Sep 14 10:30 S Korea M 31 No Avalanche 6600 m KANG Ang Dawa (Dawa) Tamang (Lapcha, Gorakhani, Solukhumbu) 2000 Spr Apr 23 10:00 Nepal M 27 No Falling Rock/Ice 6900 m KANG Christopher Hugh (Chris) Grasswick 2002 Spr May 24 17:50 Canada M 39 No Y Fall 8400 m KANG Inigo De Pineda Blanc 2007 Spr May 24 10:00 Spain M 38 No Fall 8200 m KANG Zsolt Eross 2013 Spr May 20 Hungary M 45 No Y Exhaustion 8300 m KANG Peter Kiss 2013 Spr May 20 Hungary M 26 No Y Fall 8200 m KANG Bibas Gurung (Hatiya-7, Makalu-Barun) 2013 Spr May 20 Nepal M 24 No Y Fall 8300 m KANG Phu Dorchi Sherpa (Walung, Makalu-9, Makalu-Barun) 2013 Spr May 20 Nepal M 23 Y Y Fall 8000 m KANG Nam-Soo Park 2013 Spr May 20 S Korea M 46 Y Y Fall 7600 m KANG Rodrigo Francisco Vivanco Figueroa 2019 Spr May 15 18:00 Chile M 49 No Y Disappearance 8586 m KANG Biplab Baidya 2019 Spr May 16 India M 48 Y Y Exposure/Frostbite 8450 m KANG Kuntal Kanrar 2019 Spr May 16 India M 46 Y Exposure/Frostbite 8300 m KANG Narayanan Iyer 2022 Spr May 05 India M 52 Y AMS 8200 m

source: https://www.himalayandatabase.com/Online/peakdead.html

hope this helps! 2A02:8071:287:95E0:2CD4:8F77:E720:7AB0

(talk) 09:23, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

death toll on Lhotse + secondary summit[edit]

† 10 Lhotse II – Shar

Peak Name Yr/Seas Date Time Citizenship Sex Age Oxy Smt Cause of Death

LSHR Pierre Favez 1981 Aut Oct 16 Switzerland M 38 Y Fall 7100 m

LSHR Philippe Petten 1981 Aut Oct 16 Switzerland M 23 Y Fall 7100 m

LSHR Josef Fauchere 1981 Aut Oct 25 11:30 Switzerland M 35 No Fall 4700 m

LSHR Pedro Alonso Lopez 1986 Aut Oct 30 17:00 Spain M 30 No Fall 7390 m

LSHR Sergio Reinaldo Escalera Fernandez 1987 Aut Sep 27 Spain M 33 No Avalanche 7450 m

LSHR Antonio Quinones Torres 1987 Aut Sep 27 Spain M 26 No Avalanche 7450 m

LSHR Francisco Porras Cerda 1987 Aut Sep 27 Spain M 30 No Avalanche 7450 m

LSHR Antoni Sors Ferrer 1987 Aut Sep 27 Spain M 37 No Avalanche 7450 m

LSHR Sun-Dug Hwang 2003 Aut Oct 05 S Korea M 26 Y Avalanche 8250 m

LSHR Joo-Hoon Park 2003 Aut Oct 05 S Korea M 34 Y Avalanche 8250 m

† 22 Lhotse

Peak Name Yr/Seas Date Time Citizenship Sex Age Oxy Smt Cause of Death

LHOT Stanislaw Latallo 1974 Aut Dec 17 14:00 Poland M No Exhaustion 7000 m

LHOT Max Lutz 1977 Spr May 12 W Germany M 25 Y Y Fall 8000 m

LHOT Nicolas Jaeger 1980 Spr Apr 26 France M 33 No Disappearance 8000 m

LHOT Pasang Nima Sherpa (Phortse, Khumbu) 1980 Spr May 17 20:50 Nepal M Y Avalanche 7500 m

LHOT Rafal Cholda 1985 Aut Oct 25 Poland M 28 No Fall 8000 m

LHOT Czeslaw Jakiel 1987 Aut Sep 15 06:30 Poland M 38 No Avalanche 6200 m

LHOT Jerzy Kukuczka 1989 Aut Oct 24 09:00 Poland M 41 No Fall 8350 m

LHOT Vladimir Bachkirov 1997 Spr May 27 Russia M 45 No Y AMS 7900 m

LHOT Vladimir Bondarev 2000 Aut Sep 17 Russia M 34 No Avalanche 6500 m

LHOT Pavel Kalny 2006 Spr May 09 Czechia M 38 Y Fall 7800 m

LHOT Pemba Doma Thaktopa Sherpa (Namche Bazar, Khumbu) 2007 Spr May 21 13:30 Nepal F 36 Y Y Fall 8400 m

LHOT Sergei Samoilov 2009 Spr May 25 Kazakhstan M 51 No Fall 7600 m

LHOT Sergei Duganov 2010 Spr May 07 08:00 Russia M 43 No AMS 7800 m

LHOT Milan Sedlacek 2012 Spr May 19 Czechia M 50 No Y Exposure/Frostbite 8450 m

LHOT Temba Sherpa (Sedua, Makalu-Barun) 2012 Aut Oct 16 Nepal M 39 Y Fall 7900 m

LHOT Hsiao-Shih Lee 2013 Spr May 20 04:00 Taiwan M 57 Y Y AMS 7800 m

LHOT Asman Tamang (Sotang-9, Solukbumbu) 2014 Spr Apr 18 06:45 Nepal M 26 No Avalanche 5800 m

LHOT Zhen-Fang Ge 2015 Spr Apr 25 11:55 China M 43 No Avalanche 5350 m

LHOT Ang Phurba Sherpa (Phurte, Khumbu) 2016 Spr May 19 12:00 Nepal M 25 Y Fall 8500 m

LHOT Rustem Amirov 2018 Spr May 16 22:45 Russia M 40 No AMS 7000 m

LHOT Ivan Yuriev Tomov 2019 Spr May 17 13:30 Bulgaria M 35 Y Y AMS 7780 m

LHOT Khudam Bir Tamang (Jaleshwori-8, Khotang) 2022 Spr May 08 Nepal M 33 No Avalanche 6100 m

source: https://www.himalayandatabase.com/Online/peakdead.html

hope you find this useful. 2A02:8071:287:95E0:2CD4:8F77:E720:7AB0 (talk) 10:54, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Death toll on Makalu + secondary summit as of 2022[edit]

† 13 Makalu II Kangchungtse (!)

Peak Name Yr/Seas Date Time Citizenship Sex Age Oxy Smt Cause of Death

MAK2 Kunio Takagi 1971 Aut Oct 20 Japan M No AMS 7300 m

MAK2 Ewout Reynierse 1974 Aut Oct 15 Netherlands M 33 No Fall 7000 m

MAK2 Unknown 1976 Aut Sep 28 Nepal M No Unknown 5040 m

MAK2 Frank Alexander Merjenberg 1985 Aut Oct 16 Netherlands M 30 No Y Other 5500 m

MAK2 Walter Roos 1985 Aut Oct 16 Netherlands M 39 No Other 5500 m

MAK2 Pierre Demolombe 1985 Aut Nov 02 France M 47 No Exposure/Frostbite 7450 m

MAK2 Marcel Margaine 1985 Aut Nov 02 France M 26 No Exposure/Frostbite 7100 m

MAK2 Edwin Terrell 1986 Spr Apr 13 08:45 USA M 31 No AMS 5150 m

MAK2 Jacques Saint-Martin 1987 Aut Oct 19 France M 19 No Exhaustion 3700 m

MAK2 Dog Bahadur Bista 1987 Aut Oct 19 Nepal M No Exhaustion 3700 m

MAK2 Kamal Bahadur Bista 1987 Aut Oct 19 Nepal M No Exhaustion 3700 m

MAK2 Mark Miller 1992 Aut Sep 28 14:30 UK M 31 No Other 2225 m

MAK2 Victor Radvils 1992 Aut Sep 28 14:30 UK M No Other 2225 m

† 48 Makalu

Peak Name Yr/Seas Date Time Citizenship Sex Age Oxy Smt Cause of Death

MAKA Dilli Bahadur Verma 1954 Aut Dec 31 Nepal M No Illness/non-AMS 4700 m MAKA Jan Kounicky 1973 Spr May 21 10:00 Czechoslovakia M 33 Y Fall 8010 m MAKA Karel Schubert 1976 Spr May 24 Czechoslovakia M 34 Y Y Exposure/Frostbite 7800 m MAKA Andrzej Mlynarczyk 1978 Aut Oct 06 04:00 Poland M 30 No Avalanche 4850 m MAKA Tadeusz Szulc 1982 Aut Sep 26 Poland M 47 No Illness/non-AMS 6800 m MAKA Unknown 1983 Spr Dec 31 Nepal M No Unknown MAKA Matthew William (Bill) Denz 1983 Aut Oct 03 14:00 New Zealand M 32 No Avalanche 6500 m MAKA Mark Peter Moorhead 1983 Aut Oct 15 10:45 Australia M 23 No Fall 6900 m MAKA Ram Bahadur Shrestha 1984 Aut Sep 13 Nepal M No AMS 5350 m MAKA Kancha Gurung 1986 Aut Dec 31 Nepal M No AMS 4500 m MAKA Marcel Ruedi 1986 Aut Sep 25 Switzerland M 47 No Y AMS 8100 m MAKA Ryszard Kolakowski 1988 Aut Oct 14 20:30 Poland M 33 No Y Fall 8400 m MAKA Manu Badiola Otegi 1991 Aut Oct 02 12:30 Spain M 37 No Y Fall 8300 m MAKA Takumi Ishizaka 1991 Aut Oct 08 Japan M 26 Y Y Exposure/Frostbite 7900 m MAKA David Victor Hume 1995 Spr May 08 20:00 Australia M 33 No Y Fall 8300 m MAKA Anatoli Chlekht 1996 Spr May 14 17:30 Russia M 37 No Fall 7900 m MAKA Salavat Khabibulin 1997 Spr May 21 Russia M 35 No Exhaustion 8200 m MAKA Igor Bougatshevski 1997 Spr May 24 Russia M 35 Y Y Falling Rock/Ice 6800 m MAKA Per Lyhne 1997 Aut Oct 12 Denmark M 31 No Illness/non-AMS 6100 m MAKA Michael Knakkergaard-Jørgensen 1999 Spr Apr 30 16:00 Denmark M 31 No Y Fall 8000 m MAKA Sange Pemba Sherpa (Phortse, Khumbu) 1999 Aut Oct 11 14:30 Nepal M 26 No Fall 7200 m MAKA Bernd Mehnert 2000 Spr May 16 10:00 Germany M 33 No Y AMS 7700 m MAKA Erich Resch 2001 Spr May 14 Austria M 39 No Fall 8400 m MAKA Raymond David Caughron 2002 Spr Apr 25 USA M 58 No Exposure/Frostbite 7200 m MAKA Nima Dorje Tamang (Pirangding, Kerung, Solukhumbu) 2002 Spr May 31 Nepal M No Other MAKA Sarki Sherpa 2002 Spr May 31 Nepal M No Other MAKA Ongchhu Sherpa (Lakhu, Waku, Solukhumbu) 2002 Spr May 31 Nepal M 33 No Other MAKA Prakash Kundip Karki 2002 Spr May 31 Nepal M No Other MAKA Karma Wangchu Sherpa 2002 Spr May 31 Nepal M No Other MAKA Pramod Sunar 2002 Spr May 31 Nepal M No Other MAKA Vladislav Terzyul 2004 Spr May 17 Ukraine M 50 No Y Disappearance 8400 m MAKA Jay Sieger 2004 Spr May 18 USA M 45 No Y Fall 8300 m MAKA Sumba Sherpa (Junbesi, Beni-8, Solukhumbu) 2005 Spr May 15 Nepal M 42 No AMS 5400 m MAKA Jean-Christophe Lafaille 2005 Win Jan 27 France M 40 No Crevasse 7700 m MAKA Drabey Bahadur Rajan Magar 2008 Spr Apr 24 Nepal M 44 No Falling Rock/Ice 5500 m MAKA Nil Prasad Gurung (Sardikhola-2, Khandarjung, Kaski) 2008 Spr May 20 Nepal M 33 Y Y AMS 7400 m MAKA Sangat Ram Thakur 2009 Spr May 01 India M 35 No Fall 7100 m MAKA Zaharias Kiriakakis 2010 Spr May 26 Greece M 44 Y Y Disappearance 8200 m MAKA Joelle Catherine Brupbacher 2011 Spr May 22 23:30 Switzerland F 32 No AMS 7400 m MAKA Xiang-Yang Liu 2013 Spr Apr 23 China M 45 Y Fall 7600 m MAKA Yannick Claude Sylvain Gagneret 2014 Spr May 02 16:00 France M 39 Y AMS 7350 m MAKA Lhakpa Ongyal (Lhakpa Wangel) Sherpa (Nurbugaon, Makalu-Barun) 2016 Spr May 10 Nepal M 49 No Illness/non-AMS 6600 m MAKA Da Tenji Sherpa (Kharikhola, Solukhumbu) 2016 Spr May 10 Nepal M 39 No Illness/non-AMS 6600 m MAKA Ang Dawa Sherpa (Kerung-2, Solukhumbu) 2018 Spr May 15 02:00 Nepal M 31 Y Y Illness/non-AMS 5700 m MAKA Richard Leopoldo Hidalgo Jara 2019 Spr May 08 Peru M 52 No AMS 6700 m MAKA Dipankar Ghosh 2019 Spr May 16 India M 53 Y Y Exhaustion 8200 m MAKA Narayan Singh 2019 Spr May 16 India M 34 Y Y Exhaustion 8200 m MAKA Nima Tenji Sherpa (Makalu-Barun) 2019 Spr May 24 Nepal M No AMS 6400 m

same source as before.

hope this helps! 2A02:8071:287:95E0:2CD4:8F77:E720:7AB0 (talk) 10:59, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Death toll on Dhaulagiri + secondary summits as of 2022[edit]

† 4 West Dhaulagiri Churen Himal

Peak Name Yr/Seas Date Time Citizenship Sex Age Oxy Smt Cause of Death

CHRW R. B. Rana 1975 Aut Dec 31 Nepal M 37 No Unknown 0 m

CHRW Amar Singh Tendal 1978 Spr Mar 10 Nepal M ? No AMS 2100 m

CHRW Hans Peter Hamm 1983 Aut Oct 12 W Germany M 24 No Avalanche 5800 m

CHRW Christoph Hawlitschek 1983 Aut Oct 12 W Germany M 22 No Avalanche 5800 m

† 4 Dhaulagiri V

Peak Name Yr/Seas Date Time Citizenship Sex Age Oxy Smt Cause of Death

DHA5 Kenichi Aoki 1971 Spr May 04 Japan M ? No Fall 7000 m

DHA5 Hidenobu Tezuka 1971 Spr May 04 Japan M ? No Fall 7000 m

DHA5 Toshiumi Yanagisawa 1971 Spr May 04 Japan M ? No Fall 7000 m

DHA5 Fukashi Chijiwa 1971 Aut Oct 05 Japan M ? No Avalanche 5950 m

† 14 Dhaulagiri IV

Peak Name Yr/Seas Date Time Citizenship Sex Age Oxy Smt Cause of Death

DHA4 Kurt Ring 1969 Aut Nov 10 Austria M 36 No Disappearance 6900 m

DHA4 Richard Hoyer 1969 Aut Nov 10 Austria M 26 No Disappearance 6900 m

DHA4 Tenzing Nindra Sherpa 1969 Aut Nov 10 Nepal M ? No Disappearance 6900 m

DHA4 Peter Lavicka 1969 Aut Nov 10 Austria M 28 No Disappearance 6900 m

DHA4 Peter Nemec 1969 Aut Nov 10 Austria M 26 No Disappearance 6900 m

DHA4 Kurt Reha 1969 Aut Nov 10 Austria M 20 No Disappearance 6900 m

DHA4 Takajuro Matsui 1972 Spr Apr 30 12:45 Japan M 34 No AMS 6200 m

DHA4 Alan Dewison 1973 Aut Nov 19 16:00 UK M 26 No Fall 6300 m

DHA4 Kancha Sherpa 1973 Aut Nov 23 Nepal M ? No Avalanche 4300 m

DHA4 Ang Tshering Sherpa 1974 Spr Apr 14 09:15 Nepal M ? No Avalanche 4890 m

DHA4 Dawa Tenzing Sherpa 1974 Spr Apr 14 09:15 Nepal M ? No Avalanche 4890 m

DHA4 Kami Sarki Sherpa 1974 Spr Apr 14 09:15 Nepal M ? No Avalanche 4890 m

DHA4 Shiro Kawazu 1975 Spr May 10 Japan M 31 No Y Fall 7400 m

DHA4 Etsuro Yasuda 1975 Spr May 10 Japan M 26 No Y Fall 7400 m

† 4 Dhaulagiri II

Peak Name Yr/Seas Date Time Citizenship Sex Age Oxy Smt Cause of Death

DHA2 Lhakpa Gelbu Sherpa 1965 Spr Mar 28 Nepal M 24 No Avalanche 5300 m

DHA2 Mingma Tenzing Sherpa 1965 Spr Mar 28 Nepal M 28 No Avalanche 5300 m

DHA2 Sung-Gyu Kim 1986 Spr May 12 19:30 S Korea M 23 No Y Fall 7300 m

DHA2 Farman Tamang (Nuwakot) 2007 Aut Sep 20 Nepal M 26 No Falling Rock/Ice 0 m

† 86 Dhaulagiri

Peak Name Yr/Seas Date Time Citizenship Sex Age Oxy Smt Cause of Death

DHA1 Francisco Geronimo (Paco) Ibanez 1954 Spr Jun 30 Argentina M 26 No Exposure/Frostbite 7500 m DHA1 Bal Bahadur 1956 Spr Dec 31 Nepal M ? No Avalanche 5300 m DHA1 Heinrich (Heini) Roiss 1959 Spr Apr 29 13:30 Austria M 31 No Crevasse 5700 m DHA1 Boyd Nixon Everett Jr. 1969 Spr Apr 28 12:00 USA M 35 No Avalanche 5335 m DHA1 John Vincent Hoeman 1969 Spr Apr 28 12:00 USA M 25 No Avalanche 5335 m DHA1 William B. Ross 1969 Spr Apr 28 12:00 USA M 30 No Avalanche 5335 m DHA1 David A. Seidman 1969 Spr Apr 28 12:00 USA M 22 No Avalanche 5335 m DHA1 Tenzing Sherpa (Pangboche, Khumbu) 1969 Spr Apr 28 12:00 Nepal M 32 No Avalanche 5335 m DHA1 Pemba Phutar Sherpa (Monjo, Khumbu) 1969 Spr Apr 28 12:00 Nepal M ? No Avalanche 5335 m DHA1 Paul Alexander Gerhard 1969 Spr Apr 28 12:00 USA M 26 No Avalanche 5335 m DHA1 Yoshitada Numao 1975 Spr Mar 26 01:00 Japan M 25 No Avalanche 4500 m DHA1 Tetsu Imura 1975 Spr Mar 26 01:00 Japan M 23 No Avalanche 4500 m DHA1 Dorje Sherpa 1975 Spr Mar 26 01:00 Nepal M ? No Avalanche 4500 m DHA1 Dakiya Sherpa 1975 Spr Mar 26 01:00 Nepal M ? No Avalanche 4500 m DHA1 Pasang Kami Sherpa 1975 Spr Mar 26 01:00 Nepal M ? No Avalanche 4500 m DHA1 Katsumi Naganuma 1978 Spr Apr 21 Japan M 33 No Fall 6500 m DHA1 Hiroshi Akuzawa 1978 Aut Sep 23 Japan M 35 No Avalanche 6500 m DHA1 Kiyoshi Kobayashi 1978 Aut Sep 23 Japan M 28 No Avalanche 6500 m DHA1 Yujiro Fukasawa 1978 Aut Sep 23 Japan M 28 No Avalanche 6500 m DHA1 Katsuyoshi Kogure 1978 Aut Oct 20 08:30 Japan M 35 No Fall 6450 m DHA1 Jean-Louis Sabarly 1979 Spr May 13 France M 28 No Avalanche 7600 m DHA1 Pemba Sherpa 1979 Spr May 13 Nepal M ? No Other 7600 m DHA1 Eric Poumailloux 1979 Spr May 14 France M 26 No Exhaustion 0 m DHA1 Lynette Griffith 1980 Aut Oct 07 14:15 Australia F 27 No Avalanche 5900 m DHA1 Alberto Mario Serrano 1981 Spr May 24 Argentina M 34 Y Exposure/Frostbite 7400 m DHA1 Chikahiro Chin 1983 Aut Nov 07 China M 29 No Illness/non-AMS) 4500 m DHA1 Jan Simon 1984 Aut Oct 23 Czechoslovakia M 25 No Y Fall 8000 m DHA1 Franz Müllender 1986 Aut Sep 21 20:30 Austria M 24 No Illness/non-AMS) 3700 m DHA1 Kami Sarki Sherpa (Namche Bazar, Khumbu) 1989 Aut Sep 25 Nepal M 20 No Avalanche 6900 m DHA1 Ajiwa Sherpa (Thami, Khumbu) 1989 Aut Sep 25 Nepal M 36 No Avalanche 6900 m DHA1 Francesc (Quico) Dalmases Cunill 1989 Aut Oct 09 Spain M 32 No Disappearance 7600 m DHA1 Unknown 1989 Win Nov 28 Nepal M 17 No Avalanche 4500 m DHA1 Scott William McGrath 1989 Win Dec 25 USA M 33 No Avalanche 6400 m DHA1 Nuru Wangchuk Sherpa 1989 Win Dec 25 Nepal M 30 No Avalanche 6400 m DHA1 Gregory Barber 1989 Win Dec 25 USA M 20 No Avalanche 6400 m DHA1 Wangel (Ongel) Sherpa (Solukhumbu) 1990 Spr Apr 29 Nepal M 35 No Avalanche 6700 m DHA1 Dainius Makauskas 1990 Aut Oct 31 17:00 USSR M 51 No Y Disappearance 8000 m DHA1 Hubert Weinzerle (Weinzierl?) 1992 Spr May 02 05:00 Germany M 37 No Illness/non-AMS) 7000 m DHA1 Sandita Isaila 1992 Spr May 11 Romania F 42 No Disappearance 6500 m DHA1 Taina Coliban 1992 Spr May 11 Romania F 48 No Disappearance 6500 m DHA1 Gary Ian Ball 1993 Aut Oct 06 15:00 New Zealand M 40 Y AMS 6500 m DHA1 Robert Baehler 1994 Aut Sep 26 Switzerland M 45 No Fall 7500 m DHA1 Galina Tchekanova 1994 Aut Oct 13 19:00 Ukraine F 35 No Y Fall 7400 m DHA1 Albrecht Hammann 1995 Spr May 19 16:00 Germany M 45 No Y Exposure/Frostbite 8150 m DHA1 Hisayoshi Tawaraya 1995 Aut Oct 06 Japan M 44 Y Y Fall 7500 m DHA1 Nikos Papandreou 1998 Spr May 01 Greece M 44 No Fall 7500 m DHA1 Chantal Mauduit 1998 Spr May 11 France F 34 No Falling Rock/Ice 6550 m DHA1 Ang Tshering Sherpa (Thami, Khumbu) 1998 Spr May 11 Nepal M 41 No Falling Rock/Ice 6550 m DHA1 Charalampos (Babis) Tsoupras 1998 Aut Oct 02 16:00 Greece M 36 No Fall 8100 m DHA1 Dawa Dorje Sherpa (Makalu-Barun) 1999 Aut Oct 24 09:00 Nepal M ? No Avalanche 6750 m DHA1 Ginette Lesley Harrison 1999 Aut Oct 24 09:00 UK F 41 No Avalanche 6750 m DHA1 Soo-Ho Lee 2000 Aut Sep 29 08:20 S Korea M 35 No Avalanche 5600 m DHA1 Chuldim Gyalzen Sherpa (Namche Bazar, Khumbu) 2000 Aut Oct 02 Nepal M 36 No Avalanche 6600 m DHA1 Jose Antonio (Pepe) Garces Galindo 2001 Aut Oct 12 Spain M 44 No Fall 7800 m DHA1 Ryushi Hoshino 2001 Aut Oct 14 Japan M 33 No Fall 6500 m DHA1 Masashi Fukumoto 2001 Aut Oct 14 Japan M 27 No Fall 6500 m DHA1 Yukihiko Shinagawa 2001 Aut Oct 14 Japan M 33 No Fall 6500 m DHA1 Joze Sepic 2004 Spr May 19 Slovenia M 56 Y Fall 4700 m DHA1 Sergio Dalla Longa 2007 Spr Apr 29 Italy M 48 No Fall 8160 m DHA1 Santiago Sagaste Ayesa 2007 Spr May 13 08:50 Spain M 33 No Avalanche 6700 m DHA1 Ricardo Valencia Martinez 2007 Spr Aug 13 08:50 Spain M 47 No Avalanche 6700 m DHA1 Dario Alejandro Bracali 2008 Spr May 02 Argentina M 35 No Disappearance 0 m DHA1 Rafael Guillen 2008 Spr May 02 16:00 Spain M 35 No Fall 6800 m DHA1 Piotr Jerzy Morawski 2009 Spr Apr 08 09:00 Poland M 32 No Crevasse 5500 m DHA1 Mehdi Etemadfar 2009 Spr May 01 16:30 Iran M 53 No Fall 8050 m DHA1 Liang Zhao 2010 Spr May 13 China M 34 Y Y Fall 7400 m DHA1 Bin Li 2010 Spr May 13 China M 47 Y Y Exhaustion 7600 m DHA1 Xin Han 2010 Spr May 13 China M 40 Y Y Fall 7400 m DHA1 Osamu Tanabe 2010 Aut Sep 28 10:00 Japan M 49 No Avalanche 5300 m DHA1 Toshio Yamamoto 2010 Aut Sep 28 10:00 Japan M 36 No Avalanche 5400 m DHA1 Daisuke Honda 2010 Aut Sep 28 10:00 Japan M 32 No Avalanche 5200 m DHA1 Pasang Gelu Sherpa (Dhimbul, Gudel, Solukhumbu) 2010 Aut Sep 28 10:00 Nepal M 46 No Avalanche 6700 m DHA1 Juan Jose (Juanjo) Garra Lorenzo 2013 Spr May 23 Spain M 49 No Fall 8000 m DHA1 Dawa Sherpa (Damdi, Tapting, Solukhumbu) 2013 Spr May 23 Nepal M 41 Y Fall 7500 m DHA1 Chizuko Kono 2013 Spr May 23 Japan F 66 Y AMS 7700 m DHA1 Dorje Sherpa (Jubing-2, Solukhumbu) 2014 Aut Oct 14 22:30 Nepal M ? No Avalanche 4750 m DHA1 Gopal Rai 2014 Aut Oct 14 22:30 Nepal M ? No Avalanche 4750 m DHA1 Bhoj Kumar Rai 2014 Aut Oct 14 22:30 Nepal M ? No Avalanche 4750 m DHA1 Vladimir Svancar 2014 Aut Oct 14 22:30 Slovakia M 59 No Avalanche 4750 m DHA1 Jan Matlak 2014 Aut Oct 14 22:30 Slovakia M 60 No Avalanche 4750 m DHA1 Christiaan Johan Wilson 2016 Spr Dec 31 Netherlands M 35 No Disappearance 0 m DHA1 Rajib Bhattarcharya 2016 Spr May 19 India M 42 No AMS 6600 m DHA1 Ang Ngima Sherpa (Chaurikharka-3, Khumbu) 2017 Spr May 20 Nepal M 33 Y Y Exposure/Frostbite 7900 m DHA1 Simone La Terra 2018 Spr Apr 29 16:00 Italy M 36 No Fall 6976 m DHA1 Dawa Gyaljen (Ang Dawa) Sherpa (Makalu-5, Makalu-Barun) 2018 Aut Sep 19 Nepal M 24 No Avalanche 6600 m DHA1 Antonios Sykaris 2022 Spr Apr 12 04:00 Greece M 59 Y Y Exhaustion 7400 m

same source as before.

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Death toll on Manaslu + secondary Peak as of 2022[edit]

Table:

† 13 Main Himalchuli (East P, Mansiri Himal)

Peak Name Yr/Seas Date Time Citizenship Sex Age Oxy Smt Cause of Death

HIME Herbert Maddock 1953 Spr Jun 21 UK M 23 No Other

HIME Arthur Herbert Firman 1955 Spr May 16 UK M 42 No Falling Rock/Ice

HIME Nima Tenzing Sherpa 1959 Spr May 04 Nepal M Y AMS 5790 m

HIME Kazi Sherpa 1960 Spr May 03 05:00 Nepal M No Falling Rock/Ice 5180 m

HIME Yoshiharu Kondo 1977 Spr May 13 Japan M 33 No Falling Rock/Ice 7400 m

HIME Lhakpa Norbu Sherpa (Thami, Khumbu) 1978 Spr Apr 11 Nepal M 38 No Other 0 m

HIME Masayuki Fujita 1983 Aut Oct 06 09:10 Japan M 31 No Fall 6300 m

HIME Nobuhiro Hase 1983 Aut Oct 06 09:10 Japan M 27 No Fall 6300 m

HIME Peter Greskovits 1985 Spr May 16 15:00 Hungary M 33 No Fall 6500 m

HIME Sandor Csanadi 1985 Spr May 16 15:00 Hungary M 36 No Fall 6500 m

HIME Hizuru Nakamura 1986 Aut Oct 26 Japan M 31 Y Y Fall 7800 m

HIME Jacek (Jerzy) Klincewicz 1986 Win Dec 30 12:00 Poland M 34 No Fall 4700 m

HIME Chai-Hong Chung 1989 Aut Sep 14 S Korea M 62 Y AMS 4950 m

  † 90	Manaslu

Peak Name Yr/Seas Date Time Citizenship Sex Age Oxy Smt Cause of Death

MANA Ki-Sup Kim 1971 Spr May 04 S Korea M 25 Y Crevasse 7600 m

MANA Karki 1972 Spr Apr 04 Nepal M No Disappearance 4300 m

MANA Ang Rita Sherpa (Phaplu, Solukhumbu (?)) 1972 Spr Apr 10 03:15 Nepal M No Avalanche 6500 m

MANA Ang Tendi (Ang Dawa) Sherpa (Thami, Khumbu) 1972 Spr Apr 10 03:15 Nepal M No Avalanche 6500 m

MANA Gyalze Sherpa (Phaplu, Solukhumbu (?)) 1972 Spr Apr 10 03:15 Nepal M No Avalanche 6500 m

MANA Ang Mingma Sherpa (Phaplu, Solukhumbu (?)) 1972 Spr Apr 10 03:15 Nepal M 37 No Avalanche 6500 m

MANA Pasang Nima Sherpa (Phaplu, Solukhumbu (?)) 1972 Spr Apr 10 03:15 Nepal M No Avalanche 6500 m

MANA Pemba Rinji (Nawang Chultim) Sherpa (Jorsale, Khumbu) 1972 Spr Apr 10 03:15 Nepal M No Avalanche 6500 m

MANA Phurba Tenzing Sherpa (Phaplu, Solukhumbu (?)) 1972 Spr Apr 10 03:15 Nepal M No Avalanche 6500 m

MANA Rinsing Ongyal (Rinji Wangel) Sherpa (Phaplu, Solukhumbu) 1972 Spr Apr 10 03:15 Nepal M 33 No Avalanche 6500 m

MANA Wangel Sherpa (Phaplu, Solukhumbu (?)) 1972 Spr Apr 10 03:15 Nepal M No Avalanche 6500 m

MANA Joon-Haeng Song 1972 Spr Apr 10 03:15 S Korea M 30 No Avalanche 6500 m

MANA Sae-Keun Oh 1972 Spr Apr 10 03:15 S Korea M 26 No Avalanche 6500 m

MANA Ho-Sup Kim 15 † 1972 Spr Apr 10 03:15 S Korea M 27 No Avalanche 6500 m

MANA Ang Mingma Sherpa (Phaplu, Solukhumbu (?)) 1972 Spr Apr 10 03:15 Nepal M 28 No Avalanche 6500 m

MANA Chang-Hee Park 1972 Spr Apr 10 03:30 S Korea M 39 No Avalanche 6500 m

MANA Kazunari Yasuhisa 1972 Spr Apr 10 03:30 Japan M 33 No Avalanche 6500 m

MANA Andi Schlick 1972 Spr Apr 25 Austria M 27 No Fall 7400 m

MANA Franz Jäger 1972 Spr Apr 25 Austria M 29 No Fall 7400 m

MANA Teiko Suzuki 1974 Spr May 04 Japan F 30 Y Fall 7600 m

MANA Edgardo Jose Porcellana 1979 Aut Oct 08 Argentina M 28 No Avalanche 5700 m

MANA Pere Aymerich 1982 Spr May 11 Spain M 30 No Avalanche 7400 m

MANA Enric Font Lloret 1982 Spr May 11 Spain M 37 No Avalanche 7400 m

MANA Takashi Sakuma 1982 Win Dec 18 10:25 Japan M 32 Y Fall 7550 m

MANA Ante Bucan 1983 Spr Apr 24 Yugoslavia M 32 No Avalanche 4500 m

MANA Jernej (Nejc) Zaplotnik 1983 Spr Apr 24 Yugoslavia M 31 No Avalanche 4500 m

MANA Stanislaw Jaworski 1983 Win Dec 11 Poland M 37 No Fall 5600 m

MANA Thomas Juen 1985 Spr May 04 Austria M 27 No Avalanche 7000 m

MANA Nima Norbu Sherpa 1985 Aut Oct 25 Nepal M 25 No Avalanche 6400 m

MANA Wilhelm Klaiber 1986 Spr May 03 W Germany M 48 No Fall 7000 m

MANA Dieter Oberbichler 1986 Spr May 04 Austria M 44 No Fall 6400 m

MANA Ichigi Kudo 1987 Aut Oct 28 Japan M 43 No AMS 4400 m

MANA Santiago Suarez 1989 Spr May 07 13:30 Spain M 35 No Fall 7100 m

MANA Charles (Chuck) Schertz 1990 Spr Mar 27 09:00 USA M 35 No Avalanche 4700 m

MANA Wangchu (Nima Wangchu) Sherpa (Chumoa, Khumbu) 1990 Spr Mar 27 09:00 Nepal M No Avalanche 4700 m

MANA Nancy Jackson 1990 Spr Mar 27 09:00 USA F 34 No Avalanche 4700 m

MANA Zijnur Khalitov 1990 Aut Oct 07 USSR M 38 No Fall 7200 m

MANA Murat Galiev 1990 Aut Oct 07 USSR M 29 No Fall 7200 m

MANA Grigori Luniakov 1990 Aut Oct 07 USSR M 35 No Fall 7200 m

MANA Karl Grossrubatscher 1991 Spr May 10 09:00 Italy M 28 No Fall 7000 m

MANA Gottfried (Friedl) Mutschlechner 1991 Spr May 10 16:00 Italy M 41 No Other 5700 m

MANA Sylwia Dmowska 1992 Aut Oct 02 18:00 Poland F 22 No Fall 7200 m

MANA Sven Vermeiren 1992 Aut Oct 03 10:30 Belgium M 23 No Fall 6800 m

MANA Igor Khmiliar 1993 Aut Oct 21 Russia M 35 No Y Fall 7300 m

MANA Sergei Jadrychnikov 1993 Aut Oct 22 04:00 Russia M 37 No Avalanche 6200 m

MANA Jörg Starke 1995 Spr May 06 Germany M 31 No Fall 7000 m

MANA Michael Zunk 1995 Spr May 07 16:00 Germany M 35 No Y Fall 7750 m

MANA Masatsugu Konishi 1996 Aut Oct 01 Japan M 57 Y Y Disappearance 7800 m

MANA Juraj Kardhordo 1997 Aut Oct 08 18:00 Slovakia M 31 No Fall 8000 m

MANA Miroslav Rybansky 1997 Aut Oct 09 11:00 Slovakia M 41 No Y Other 7300 m

MANA Lennin Granados 1998 Aut Oct 26 13:30 Colombia M 31 No Avalanche 6300 m

MANA Hristo Stantchev 1998 Aut Oct 30 Bulgaria M 38 No Fall 6900 m

MANA Isao Kurihara 2001 Aut Oct 13 02:40 Japan M 42 Y AMS 6600 m

MANA Susan Erica (Sue) Fear 2006 Spr May 28 12:00 Australia F 43 No Y Crevasse 7800 m

MANA Hasta Bahadur Gurung (Sitalpati, Makalu-Barun) 2008 Spr May 13 21:00 Nepal M 49 Y Illness/non-AMS) 6750 m

MANA Daniel Goulevitch 2008 Aut Oct 05 05:00 France M 49 Y AMS 7400 m

MANA Giuseppe Antonelli 2009 Spr Apr 28 Italy M 38 No Illness/non-AMS) 6308 m

MANA Szabo Levente 2009 Spr May 19 16:00 Hungary M 39 No Fall 7300 m

MANA Franc Oderlap 2009 Aut Oct 03 11:00 Slovenia M 50 Y Falling Rock/Ice 5850 m

MANA Haeng-Su Park 2010 Spr Apr 23 S Korea M 26 No Exhaustion 7600 m

MANA Chi-Won Yun 2010 Spr Apr 23 20:00 S Korea M 39 No Disappearance 7600 m

MANA Nobuaki Kuwabara 2010 Aut Sep 25 Japan M 60 No Illness/non-AMS) 4700 m

MANA Eisa Mir-Shekari 2011 Spr Apr 30 Iran M 27 No AMS 7000 m

MANA Tashi Chhiring Sherpa (Rolwaling, Dolakha) 2011 Spr May 11 Nepal M 32 Y Disappearance 0 m

MANA Alain Pierre Marie Laurens 2011 Spr May 11 France M 57 Y Disappearance 0 m

MANA Bernard Jean Francois Milian 2011 Spr May 11 France M 52 Y Disappearance 0 m

MANA Jafar Naseri 2012 Spr May 10 21:30 Iran M 34 No Y Fall 7900 m

MANA Philippe Lucien Bos 2012 Aut Sep 23 04:30 France M 55 No Avalanche 7300 m

MANA Ludovic Paul Nicolas Challeat 2012 Aut Sep 23 04:30 France M 42 No Avalanche 7300 m

MANA Dominique Ouimet 2012 Aut Sep 23 04:30 Canada M 48 No Avalanche 7300 m

MANA Catherine Marie Andree Ricard 2012 Aut Sep 23 04:30 France F 48 Y Avalanche 7300 m

MANA Fabrice Priez 2012 Aut Sep 23 04:30 France M 45 No Avalanche 7300 m

MANA Dawa Dorje Sherpa (Pangboche, Khumbu) 2012 Aut Sep 23 04:45 Nepal M 29 No Avalanche 6700 m

MANA Remy George Lecluse 2012 Aut Sep 23 04:45 France M 48 No Avalanche 6800 m

MANA Marti Gasull Roig 2012 Aut Sep 23 04:45 Spain M 43 No Avalanche 6800 m

MANA Alberto Magliano 2012 Aut Sep 23 04:45 Italy M 66 No Avalanche 6700 m

MANA Christian Mittermeyer 2012 Aut Sep 23 04:45 Germany M 42 No Avalanche 6730 m

MANA Gregory Ugo Costa 2012 Aut Sep 23 04:45 France M 27 No Avalanche 6800 m

MANA Victor Manuel Correa Perez 2012 Aut Oct 03 Colombia M 34 No Disappearance 6270 m

MANA Yoshimasa Sasaki 2014 Aut Sep 24 Japan M 59 Y Fall 7300 m

MANA Zoltan Benedek 2015 Aut Oct 02 01:00 Austria M 51 No Y AMS 7450 m

MANA Hirotaka Onodera 2016 Aut Oct 07 Japan M 23 Y Y Fall 8150 m

MANA Philip Joseph Harvey 2017 Aut Sep 25 08:30 UK M 46 Y AMS 6700 m

MANA Hiromi Komatsu 2018 Aut Sep 08 Japan M 67 No Other 0 m

MANA Roman Hlavko 2018 Aut Sep 29 Czechia M 43 No Y Fall 7000 m

MANA Rita Donata Bladyko 2019 Aut Sep 28 Poland F 50 Y Exhaustion 6800 m

MANA Brent Seal 2021 Aut Sep 28 Canada M 37 Y Illness/non-AMS) 7885 m

MANA Anup Rai 2022 Aut Sep 26 Nepal M 34 No Avalanche 7000 m

MANA Hilaree Janet O'Neill Nelson 2022 Aut Sep 26 11:40 USA F 49 Y Y Fall 8150 m

MANA Dawa Chhiring Sherpa (Lelep-8, Taplejung) 2022 Aut Oct 02 Nepal M 33 No Avalanche 6000 m

same source as before.

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Death toll on Annapurna + secondary summits as of 2022[edit]

† 3 Annapurna Middle Peak

Peak Name Yr/Seas Date Time Citizenship Sex Age Oxy Smt Cause of Death

ANNM Winfried Trinkle 1980 Aut Oct 04 08:00 W Germany M 44 No Fall 7100 m

ANNM Keepa Sherpa 1984 Win Dec 07 16:30 Nepal M No Y Fall 7800 m

ANNM Pasang Norbu Sherpa (Solukhumbu) 1984 Win Dec 07 16:30 Nepal M No Y Fall 7800 m

† 5 Annapurna IV

Peak Name Yr/Seas Date Time Citizenship Sex Age Oxy Smt Cause of Death

ANN4 Pasang Dawa Sherpa 1985 Aut Oct 17 Nepal M No Exposure/Frostbite 4000 m

ANN4 Tenzing Lama 1995 Spr Mar 26 Nepal M No Avalanche 3100 m

ANN4 Richard (Rich) Davidson 1996 Aut Oct 04 05:00 USA M 46 No Avalanche 5400 m

ANN4 Deborah (Debbie) Marshall 1996 Aut Oct 04 05:00 USA F 32 No Avalanche 5400 m

ANN4 Alois Erich Schiempfössl 2005 Aut Oct 11 13:00 Austria M 60 No AMS 6300 m

† 9 Annapurna III

Peak Name Yr/Seas Date Time Citizenship Sex Age Oxy Smt Cause of Death

ANN3 Luigino Henry 1977 Aut Oct 23 20:00 Italy M 36 No Y Crevasse 6000 m

ANN3 Stafford James Morse 1980 Spr Mar 30 Australia M 24 No Avalanche 5030 m

ANN3 Nicholas David Reeves 1980 Spr Mar 30 Australia M 26 No Avalanche 5030 m

ANN3 Richard John Schmidt 1980 Spr Mar 30 Australia M 34 No Avalanche 5030 m

ANN3 Masami Okabe 1982 Spr Apr 24 13:30 Japan M 30 No Avalanche 6800 m

ANN3 Robert Grant Uttley 1983 Aut Oct 14 UK M 21 No Exposure/Frostbite 6300 m

ANN3 Massimo Caslini 1986 Aut Sep 26 Italy M 28 No Falling Rock/Ice 6000 m

ANN3 Unknown 1988 Aut Sep 10 00:00 Nepal M No AMS 3000 m

ANN3 Beno Dolinsek 1994 Aut Oct 16 Slovenia M 25 No Fall 6750 m

† 6 Annapurna II

Peak Name Yr/Seas Date Time Citizenship Sex Age Oxy Smt Cause of Death

ANN2 Masatoshi Sato 1971 Spr May 04 Japan M 22 No Fall 7500 m

ANN2 Ikuo Tanabe 1980 Spr Apr 26 20:00 Japan M 36 No Fall 6700 m

ANN2 Kyoichi Ichikawa 1981 Aut Oct 11 12:30 Japan M 29 No Fall 7400 m

ANN2 Klaus Schlamberger 1983 Spr May 05 Austria M No Fall 7300 m

ANN2 Kab-Young Jeong 1989 Aut Sep 21 S Korea M 26 No Y Fall 0 m

ANN2 Young-Kyu Kim 1989 Aut Sep 21 S Korea M 27 No Y Fall 0 m

† 72 Annapurna

Peak Name Yr/Seas Date Time Citizenship Sex Age Oxy Smt Cause of Death

ANN1 Ian Stewart Clough 1970 Spr May 30 09:45 UK M 32 No Falling Rock/Ice 5300 m

ANN1 Kazumi Katagiri 1973 Spr May 18 11:30 Japan M 23 No Avalanche 6700 m

ANN1 Masanori Hama 1973 Spr May 18 11:30 Japan M 36 No Avalanche 6700 m

ANN1 Sadatoshi Takahashi 1973 Spr May 18 11:30 Japan M 37 No Avalanche 6700 m

ANN1 Chong Rinji Sherpa (Junbesi, Solukhumbu) 1973 Spr May 18 14:40 Nepal M Y Avalanche 6300 m

ANN1 Tadashi Ushigoe 1973 Spr May 18 14:40 Japan M 30 No Avalanche 6300 m

ANN1 Miller Rava 1973 Aut Sep 26 21:00 Italy M 26 No Avalanche 5750 m

ANN1 Leonardo Cerruti 1973 Aut Sep 26 21:00 Italy M 34 No Avalanche 5750 m

ANN1 Franz Tegischer 1975 Spr Apr 15 00:30 Austria M 27 No Avalanche 5500 m

ANN1 Vera Watson 1978 Aut Oct 17 18:00 UK F 45 No Fall 7300 m

ANN1 Alison Chadwick-Onyszkiewicz 1978 Aut Oct 17 18:00 UK F 36 No Fall 7300 m

ANN1 Unknown 1979 Spr Dec 31 Nepal M No Unknown 0 m

ANN1 Yves Morin 1979 Spr May 01 France M 33 No Y Other 6600 m

ANN1 Eric Roberts 1979 Aut Sep 19 10:30 UK M 33 No Avalanche 6500 m

ANN1 Gilbert V. (Gil) Harder 1979 Aut Sep 19 10:30 USA M 34 No Avalanche 6500 m

ANN1 Maynard Cohick 1979 Aut Sep 19 10:30 USA M 41 No Avalanche 6500 m

ANN1 Pemba Tshering Sherpa 1981 Aut Sep 28 Nepal M No Avalanche 5650 m

ANN1 Ang Nima Sherpa 1981 Aut Sep 28 Nepal M No Avalanche 5650 m

ANN1 Yves Favre 1981 Aut Sep 28 10:40 France M 35 No Avalanche 5100 m

ANN1 Andre Durieux 1981 Aut Sep 28 10:40 France M 27 No Avalanche 5100 m

ANN1 Yasuji Kato 1981 Aut Oct 31 09:30 Japan M 32 No Fall 7700 m

ANN1 Werner Bürkli 1982 Spr May 04 18:30 Switzerland M 42 No Y Illness/non-AMS 7100 m

ANN1 Shanti Rai 1982 Spr May 12 Nepal M No Fall 6000 m

ANN1 Alexander (Alex) MacIntyre 1982 Aut Oct 17 10:30 UK M 28 No Falling Rock/Ice 6000 m

ANN1 Susumu Akamatsu 1982 Aut Oct 18 04:00 Japan M 29 No Avalanche 5400 m

ANN1 Mikio Ono 1982 Aut Oct 18 04:00 Japan M 30 No Avalanche 5400 m

ANN1 Tika Ram Magar 1983 Aut Sep 24 07:15 Nepal M No Avalanche 5500 m

ANN1 Maila Magar 1983 Aut Sep 24 07:15 Nepal M No Avalanche 5500 m

ANN1 Yang-Keun Chung 1983 Aut Sep 24 07:15 S Korea M 27 No Avalanche 5500 m

ANN1 Patrick Taglianut 1984 Spr Apr 21 France M 28 No Avalanche 6100 m

ANN1 Philippe Dumas 1984 Spr Apr 21 France M 32 No Avalanche 6100 m

ANN1 Benoit Grison 1986 Aut Sep 23 France M 23 No Fall 6000 m

ANN1 Andres Ferrer 1987 Spr May 24 Spain M 29 No Fall 6500 m

ANN1 Toshiyuki Kobayashi 1987 Win Dec 20 17:00 Japan M 22 No Y Fall 7900 m

ANN1 Yasuhira Saito 1987 Win Dec 20 19:00 Japan M 34 No Y Fall 7420 m

ANN1 Ang Dawa Sherpa 1988 Aut Sep 29 19:15 Nepal M 27 No Falling Rock/Ice 5000 m

ANN1 Akihiko Mori 1988 Aut Sep 29 19:15 Japan M 43 No Falling Rock/Ice 5000 m

ANN1 Jiri Pelikan 1988 Aut Oct 01 Czechoslovakia M 36 No Fall 8000 m

ANN1 Ognian Stoykov 1989 Aut Oct 28 16:15 Bulgaria M 29 No Y Fall 7000 m

ANN1 Milen Metkov 1989 Aut Oct 28 16:15 Bulgaria M 25 No Fall 7000 m

ANN1 Seong-Jee Lee 1991 Aut Sep 19 S Korea M 25 No Avalanche 7500 m

ANN1 Tenzing Sherpa 1991 Aut Sep 19 Nepal M No Avalanche 7500 m

ANN1 Sang-Gu Lee 1991 Aut Sep 19 S Korea M 27 No Avalanche 7500 m

ANN1 Jangbu Sherpa 1991 Aut Sep 19 Nepal M No Avalanche 7500 m

ANN1 Lhakpa Tendi Sherpa 1991 Aut Sep 19 Nepal M No Avalanche 7500 m

ANN1 Dawa Sange Sherpa (Ghat, Khumbu) 1991 Aut Sep 19 Nepal M 26 No Avalanche 7500 m

ANN1 Gabriel Denamur 1991 Aut Oct 20 Belgium M 28 No Y Fall 7700 m

ANN1 Pierre Beghin 1992 Aut Oct 11 09:00 France M 41 No Fall 7100 m

ANN1 Suk-Byun Jun 1994 Win Dec 05 S Korea M 36 No Fall 4300 m

ANN1 Ngati Sherpa (Phortse, Khumbu) 1997 Spr Mar 23 Nepal M 28 No Crevasse 5300 m

ANN1 Dmitri Sobolev 1997 Win Dec 25 12:15 Kazakhstan M 36 No Avalanche 5700 m

ANN1 Anatoli Boukreev 1997 Win Dec 25 12:15 Kazakhstan M 39 No Avalanche 5900 m

ANN1 Ang Tshering Sherpa 1998 Spr Apr 25 Nepal M No Avalanche 6050 m

ANN1 Kami Dorchi (Kami Dorje) Sherpa (Kerung, Solukhumbu) 1999 Spr Apr 29 Nepal M 33 No Y Fall 7600 m

ANN1 Hyung-Ok Ji 1999 Spr Apr 29 S Korea F 38 No Y Fall 7600 m

ANN1 Michio Sato 2004 Aut Oct 10 11:00 Japan M 43 No Avalanche 6000 m

ANN1 Hideji Nazuka 2004 Aut Oct 10 11:00 Japan M 49 No Avalanche 6000 m

ANN1 Christian Kuntner 2005 Spr May 18 08:30 Italy M 43 No Avalanche 6300 m

ANN1 Lhakpa Rita Sherpa (Phortse, Khumbu) 2006 Aut Oct 22 09:20 Nepal M 35 No Icefall Collapse 6220 m

ANN1 Udhav Prasad Khanal 2007 Spr Apr 22 Nepal M 46 No Unknown 0 m

ANN1 Ignacio (Inaki) Ochoa de Olza Seguin 2008 Spr May 23 12:10 Spain M 40 No AMS 7400 m

ANN1 Martin Minarik 2009 Spr Apr 22 Czechia M 41 No Disappearance 6700 m

ANN1 Bartolome (Tolo) Calafat Marcus 2010 Spr Apr 28 Spain M 39 No Y Exhaustion 7600 m

ANN1 Dong-Min Shin 2011 Aut Oct 18 S Korea M 37 No Crevasse 6300 m

ANN1 Young-Seok Park 2011 Aut Oct 18 S Korea M 47 No Crevasse 6300 m

ANN1 Ki-Seok Kang 2011 Aut Oct 18 S Korea M 33 No Crevasse 6300 m

ANN1 Tibor Horvath 2012 Spr May 05 16:00 Hungary M 33 No Avalanche 6000 m

ANN1 Ivan Lobanov 2012 Aut Oct 07 14:53 Uzbekistan M 51 No Avalanche 5700 m

ANN1 Ilyas Tukhvatullin 2012 Aut Oct 07 14:53 Uzbekistan M 54 No Avalanche 5700 m

ANN1 Samuli (Mika) Mansikka 2015 Spr Mar 25 03:00 Finland M 36 No Y Fall 7400 m

ANN1 Pema Chhiring/Pemba Sherpa (Makalu-5, Makalu-Barun) 2015 Spr Mar 25 03:00 Nepal M 35 Y Y Fall 7400 m

ANN1 Wui Kin Chin 2019 Spr May 23 Malaysia M 48 Y Y AMS 7550 m

same source as before.

Hop this is useful!

2A02:8071:287:95E0:2CD4:8F77:E720:7AB0 (talk) 11:23, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

total death toll on Himal 8000ers by successful ascents as of 2022[edit]

Mountain 2022 succ † †/succ †secP %

Everest 11341 333 2.94%

K2 96

Nanga Parbat 86 86

Manaslu 2841 90 3.17% 13 103 3.63

Dhaulagiri 647 86 13.29% 26 112 17.31

Annapurna 395 72 18.23% 23 95 24.05

Kangchenjunga 532 52 9.77% 10 62 11.65

Cho Oyu 3923 52 52 1.33

Makalu 647 48 7.42% 13 61 9.43

Gasherbrum I 34 7 41

Broad Peak 37 37

Shishapangma 31 31

Lhotse 1089 23 2.11% 10 33 3.03

Gasherbrum II 24 24

TOTAL 21415 1064 4.97% 102 1166 5.44

The table: col1 Summit (name), col2 successful ascents, col3 fatalities, col4 fatals/ascents in %, col5 fatals on secondary peaks, col6 Percentage of total fatals/ascents. Clearly, Annapurna, Dhaulagiri and the famous "Kangch" are the most dangerous mountains in these terms. Only in very recent years the fatality rate of Annapurna dropped below 20%, but including the fatals on the secondary summits runs her again to a ratio of nearly 1:4 - one dead body by 4 ascents.

Unfortunately I do not have access to the figures of total ascents in Karakorum (K2, Nanga Parbat etc). But this might be added by one of you guys.

Adding up all given figures you can see an average rate of roughly 1 death by 20 ascents (~5 - 5,5%) with the Karakorum data missing. You might take a look at the sources of the 8000er page here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight-thousander - but ist's accurate only up to 2012, and the "Kangch" is completely missing (strange! One of the most interesting ones - just gone!!). I couldn't figure it out by now, but I'm still working on it.

Enjoy! Best regards, Wolfgang. 176.199.208.85 (talk) 14:00, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

shishapangma deaths need an update[edit]

https://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/everest/shishapangma-death-toll-four/

Four people died on Shishapangma in October due to some commercial madness, but it still lists Boyan Petrov as the most recent death on Shishapangma Dancewiththeyeti (talk) 14:44, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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[1] ttp://www.everestnews.com/stories2011/deathoneverest05042011.htm

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