Talk:List of flatiron buildings

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On 19 March 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved from List of Flatiron buildings to List of flatiron buildings. The result of the discussion was moved.

NRHP ones[edit]

The NRHP ones include:

Flatiron Building (Auburn, New York), listed on the National Register of Historic Places in Cayuga County, New York
Flatiron Building (New York, New York), listed on the National Register of Historic Places in New York County, New York
Flatiron Building (Grand Forks, North Dakota), listed on the National Register of Historic Places in Grand Forks County, North Dakota
Flatiron Building (Portland, Oregon), listed on the National Register of Historic Places in Multnomah County, Oregon
Flatiron Building (Fort Worth, Texas), listed on the National Register of Historic Places in Tarrant County, Texas
Flatiron Building (Bellingham, Washington), listed on the National Register of Historic Places in Whatcom County, Washington

Currently the page shows some bluelink ones and some redlink ones without supporting bluelinks (which leaves them vulnerable to deletion by other editors). If NRHP ones are deleted, the complete entries as above should be added back. --doncram (talk) 00:14, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, dude! 13 years later, the above note allows me to discern that the Auburn, New York one was deleted from the list. I'll restore it now. --Doncram (talk,contribs) 03:16, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

SA&K Building, Syracuse, NY[edit]

There's a flatiron building at 201 East Washington St, Syracuse, NY, that you can see here https://www.loc.gov/resource/highsm.52246/ I can send photos if necessary. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shanahan3000 (talk • contribs) 23:39, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wedgewood Hotel[edit]

http://www.cardcow.com/9891/wedgewood-hotel-woodlawn-ave-at-sixty-fourth-st-chicago-illinois/ A 10 story flatiron building built in 1924 in Chicago and demolished in 1989 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.228.190.243 (talk) 18:56, 3 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

List article not DAB[edit]

I changed it to a list article per WP:SIA. This should help preserve content as desired above. Widefox; talk 16:55, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Don't really see the need for a TOC, normally I put it out the way on the right for DABs, but as not a DAB not so important. Widefox; talk 19:58, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Petoskey, MI[edit]

There's a Flatiron Building in downtown Petoskey. 68.51.193.141 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 18:53, 5 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

some open issues[edit]

User:Deor, you removed the identification of some questions from the article. I would rather you had converted them somehow to tags, perhaps using {{dubious}} or similar would have been technically more correct, with reference to further discussion here on the talk page. Your edits related to those seem less than constructive, IMHO.

About the identifications you removed, what do you think about the characterization of the Detroit one as a flatiron building? Or is it just a quadrilateral? I seriously invite you please to do any actual research or otherwise add value towards addressing that.

And what do you think about the characterization of the Portland Oregon one being billed as smallest building on west coast? And about it being Chicago school (architecture) in style, or not?

--Doncram (talk,contribs) 01:54, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have very little interest in "flatiron" buildings and was brought to this article (as in some other cases) only because one of your edits introduced a coordinate error that showed up in a maintenence category that I monitor from time to time. If you can cite reliable sources to assert that the Detroit building is considered a flatiron building or that the Portland one is the smallest building on the West Coast and an example of Chicago-school architecture, by all means do so. Just don't insert stuff that you yourself are unsure about into live articles. When you are sure, you can edit the articles accordingly. Deor (talk) 18:35, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 19 March 2024[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. – robertsky (talk) 14:55, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Flatiron buildings → List of flatiron buildings – The Flatiron Building is a specific building in New York. This is a list of buildings in that style but not necessarily with that name. In the article, the word "flatiron" is lowercase when referring to the general style of building on first reference. Mike Selinker (talk) 13:34, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I think the nomination makes sense, but I'd want to see first if it's backed by any usage in reliable sources. The searches I did myself weren't productive because they tend to return only the famous Flatiron Building in New York, not other buildings of similar shape. ╠╣uw [talk] 16:57, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support. This is a plural. It describes a type of building, not one particular building. It is not a proper noun. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 03:41, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It may be worth noticing that between February 2013 and February 2023, the name of this article was List of buildings named Flatiron Building – i.e., it asserted a name for these buildings rather than identifying a certain type of building. The introduction of this article says "The name 'Flatiron Building' may refer to many of the buildings listed below," so it is not asserting that the name "Flatiron Building" is actually used for all of these buildings. It may also be worth noticing that the article is identified as a WP:SETINDEX article. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 15:02, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Before we commit to a capitalization we should be sure that we are not committing a neologism. Do we have any referencing for referring to these in the collective as "flatiron buildings"? Mostly what I see is references that talk about some individual building as being like the Flatiron Building in NYC, and maybe calling that one building by the same name. If they are buildings named Flatiron Building then they are Flatiron Buildings (capital), just like multiple people with my first name (or multiple copies of the famous sculpture) would be Davids not davids. But if "flatiron building" is a reference-supported generic description, then we can consider lowercase. —David Eppstein (talk) 06:33, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support. This usage is a common-noun phrase, a general descriptive class. The "neologism" concern here runs the exact opposite direction from what Huwamanbeing and David Eppstein said above; calling them all "Flatiron Buildings" would be inventing a new collective alleged-proper-name out of nowhere, on the basis of zero evidence. Per MOS:CAPS, our default is always lower-case, absent concrete proof to the contrary that something is consistently capitalized in a substantial majority of independent reliable sources – for the exact term and meaning in question. The arguments above would turn this on its ear and require defaulting to capitalization absent a showing of a source preference for lower-case, and that's completely backwards what what we actually do. Remember that English is chock-full of common nouns, usually lower-cased, that are eponymously derived from proper names (just a handful of examples: sandwich, boycott, lynching, cardigan, argyle socks, afghan (garmet), china (porcelain), nicotine, french fries, diesel fuel/engine, saxophone and sousaphone, chauvinist, gerrymander, silhouette, luddite, algorithm, dunce, hooligan, guillotine, sadism, masochism, goth[ic] (subculture), etc.; plus numerous genericized former trademarks including zipper, jacuzzi, aspirin, escalator, hovercraft, teleprompter, trampoline, videotape, lanolin, dumpster, dry ice, yo-yo, laund[e]rette, laundromat, mimeograph, linoleum, kerosene, etc.). There is no 1:1 relationship (even one-way) in English between "derived from a proper name" and "conventionally capitalized". — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 09:30, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. A look into books shows the generic term is common, and commonly lowercase. Dicklyon (talk) 11:42, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Nemov (talk) 18:26, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support: This is a descriptive term and not a proper noun. We could have a list of basket-shaped buildings and we wouldn't capitalize basket. SchreiberBike | ⌨ 19:20, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Numbers in lists?[edit]

Does anyone know what the numbers in the first column of the list tables are meant to refer to? If they're just numbering the rows in the table then we can probably remove them, since (being sortable) the rows can be viewed in various different orders. The color key can presumably be moved to the name column. ╠╣uw [talk] 17:08, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]