Talk:List of religious slurs/Archive 1

Archive 1

Verifiability

Many of these are not cited, and sound like something made up after school one day. I would like to ask, that in good time, that these be cited. Or they may, eventually, be removed. Until(1 == 2) 13:10, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Have we become this terrified that all we can do is make fun of Christians? I'm all for it, but let's make sure fair is fair.

Kike and JAP

those are purely ethnic slurs, "Dosim" (דוסים) is the derogatory term in hebrew for religious people(mainly ultra-Orthodox jews) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Scarfac3 (talk • contribs) 09:06, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Due to all of the child molestation accusations towards the catholic church, could a special section noting that the term child molester and other terms like it are now used as religious slurs toward the catholic church? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.179.248.237 (talk) 17:58, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Another list that needs to go

Right up there with List of ethnic slurs, why are these lists of insults even included in an encyclopedia? --Susan118 (talk) 02:33, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Why not? Wikipedia is here to document common information, which includes these lists. It seems like you personally don't like the page... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.56.0.38 (talk) 20:02, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Fundie or Fundamental Christian

What about this? I've come across this several times. Similar to "Bible thumper", it seems to refer to an outspoken Christian that gets on other people's nerves or offends others with their fundamental beliefs. They might constantly quote Scripture, naming the book, chapter and verse, or merely refer to specific verses in a "it's just in there" kind of way.

I must say, I like these lists in Wikipedia. They need to be a part of some popular source, so everyone can see how hateful and/or harsh people can be. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.133.63.5 (talk) 13:55, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

English language

Surely there are myriad terms in all the world's languages to disparage other religious groups, but shouldn't we restrict this particular list to those slurs used in English-speaking regions of the world? Elizium23 (talk) 19:14, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Dhimmi

I am requesting sources and proof that 'Dhimmi' is an actual slur. Right now the article section concerning 'dhimmi' only lays down an unsourced assertion how non-muslims "had limited rights" and makes an uncitated claim about dhimmis' persecution. Vmp4523 (talk) 11:59, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

It seems that the 'kafir' -section has also received dubious and unsourced claims. I added a notification box about the weak state of citations in the general slur -section of the article. Vmp4523 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 08:52, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

No English

Should legitimate non English slurs be deleted? Messiaindarain (talk) 09:52, 11 February 2016 (UTC) If that is true, then any other localized discussion has no relevancy on this article.

This is the English-language Wikipedia. A comprehensive list of all slurs in all languages would be difficult to manage, especially in terms of verifiability. Nobody has put forth any reasoned argument for expanding the scope of this list. Elizium23 (talk) 14:58, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

See Talk:List of ethnic slurs/Archive 9#RFC: Change to inclusion criteria to include non-English slurs. Basically it is a form of censoringand pushing an English-speaking point of view. However the RFC doesn't apply to this page directly. But if we were to have it here, I do not see why it would go any different. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 08:22, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

List Errors?

Stumbled over this page when looking for some info and noticed what appears to be errors. Mormon for instance is listed as a slur, and yet it's the standard term for LDS folk. Papist is listed as a Northern Ireland\Scotland term, and yet it was used by all English speakers as a term for Catholic. I'm not sure it counts as a slur either. Mussie may be a corruption of the term Muslim, but how is that any different to Aussie as derived from Australian. Either both are slurs or neither are. Infidel is listed as a Christian slur but I only recall hearing it as an Islamic term - kill the infidel etc. Heathen and pagan are both listed as slurs and yet as far as I'm aware both are classifications not slurs. Seems like quite a few terms listed as slurs here shouldn't be! 人族 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 12:29, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

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Why are slurs added being denied publication?

Why are slurs not being added to the list to make it comprehensive? Edits are being rejected?! My slurs are as good as anyone else’s. What’s the point of censoring slurs? Who is in charge of this page? DEWnada (talk) 05:40, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Islame-cyst is a brilliant slur i made and use. bead-shooter is a classic catholic slur well known in mid-west usa, used by assembly,of god bigots. Both these were denied publication. Why? DEWnada (talk) 05:42, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

We do not list slurs without a citation from a reliable source that states it is a slur. Find it in a dictionary. See WP:UNSOURCED, WP:V AND WP:RS. A book about slurs or culture or a newspaper article will work. If you find one but you do not know how to add it to the article, just mention it here and I will add it. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 08:31, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

COI

Denise Kimber Buell is interested in "queer studies" and "sexuality". Editors and fake sources can have a conflict of interest. Denise seems to have had a lot of cosmetic dentistry done on her teeth. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.118.64.41 (talk) 07:24, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

The text you refer to is:

Historically, Catholics would label members of certain Christian churches (also certain non-Christian religions) by the names of their founders, either actual or purported. Such supposed founders were referred to as heresiarchs. This was done even when the party thus labeled viewed itself as belonging to the one true church. This allowed the Catholic party to claim that the other church was founded by the founder, while the Catholic church was founded by Christ. This was done intentionally in order to "produce the appearance of the fragmentation within Christianity"–a problem which the Catholic side would then attempt to remedy on its own terms.

References

And you want to change it to:

Historically, Catholics would label members of certain Christian churches (also certain non-Christian religions) by the names of their founders, either actual or purported. Such supposed founders were referred to as heresiarchs. This was done even when the party thus labeled viewed itself as belonging to or being the one true church.

You made this edit to do that, that I reverted. Denise Kimber Buell is a Professor of Religion at Williams College. WP:COI is about editors not sources. I also do not see what her teeth has to do with any of it or how you would know about it. If you know her then it is you who are COI. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 07:44, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

LDS / Mormonism

In seeking a neutral and concise heading for this category, I came across two possibilities: "Latter Day Saint movement" and "Mormonism". There is a distinction between the two terms but it is difficult to pin down. Needless to say, the latter term, especially used in this article, could be perceived as a slur. But Wikipedia is not censored, so does "Mormonism" fit the heading better than "Latter Day Saint movement"? Elizium23 (talk) 14:06, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

Christmas-and-Easter Christians

Would this be considered a slur? The term is well established in reliable sources (e.g. [1]). Pburka (talk) 00:22, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

It is pretty mild. Do the sources support it being called pejorative, derogatory, or insulting? Elizium23 (talk) 01:00, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

This title from The Christian Review suggests that it is pejorative: Let’s Stop Sneering at the “Christmas and Easter Catholics”. Pburka (talk) 03:04, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

No noun?

Why do we have here: "Christians"; "Muslims"; "Sikhs"' and even "Scientologists", but no "Jews"? Every religion rates it's own noun, except for Judaism, which is only allowed an adjective, Jewish?

Merriam-Webster says: "Jew -- 1 : a person belonging to a continuation through descent or conversion of the ancient Jewish people ; 2 : one whose religion is Judaism"

See also: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2016/05/03/jew-why-does-the-word-for-a-person-of-my-religion-sound-like-a-slur/ and: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/22/opinion/reclaiming-jew.html

I've fixed this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.95.43.253 (talk) 01:57, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

I agree, and I've updated the article accordingly. Thank you for bringing this to our attention. Elizium23 (talk) 02:03, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Irreligion

Since this list indeed includes slurs against the irreligious, it seems proper and appropriate that we mention that in the lede. Elizium23 (talk) 03:35, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 05:34, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

Missing a few

Hooknose and penny snatchers 2A04:4A43:41DF:E32B:992:C3E2:542:4512 (talk) 03:36, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 05:34, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

Possible Russian slurs for Jews

Recently [added] by Loew Galitz (talk · contribs) and [removed] by me:

In addition there are a number of pejorative epithets hinting at steretypical physical traits of the Jews: "kartavy" (see Harkavy for explanation), "parkhaty" ("scabby"), "peysaty" ("with peyot"), "pucheglazy" ("pop-eyed"), "gorbonosy" ("with a hooked nose"), etc., various phraseologisms: христопродавец ("Christ seller"), особая нация ("special nation"), космополит (cosmpolitan, esp. "rootless cosmopolitan"), etc., metonymic usage of "typical" Jewish names and surnames: Moyshe, Abtram, Shmul, Monya, as well as some ordinary Russian words borrowed from German pretending to be Jewish surnames: Schlagbaum, Schnitzel, etc.

References

This was appended to the reference for the last entry on the list, which is the wrong place for this.

Most of these are not slurs in of themselves, but intensifiers. Saying "hooked-nosed kike" does not make "hook-nosed" a religious slur. Now that I think about it "kike" might not belong on the list because it has nothing to do with religion, but I guess that is different discussion. Citations 1-3 seems to be Russian synonym lists and not a proper definitions that says "this is a slur". I do not see them as usable as citations. The term "христопродавец" ("Christ seller") refers to the Jewish deicide and we already have "Christ killer". While it is not a direct translation it seems like the same thing. The phrase "особая нация" ("special nation") referring to Jewish chosenness has potential, but we need citation for it that says specifically it is a slur commonly used. But is it a slur? Would a Jew be insulted if this were said casually or does context only make it insulting? I have added "rootless cosmopolitan" with a citation taken from the article and added it to List of ethnic slurs as well. Thanks for bringing that to our attention. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 06:47, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

"not slurs, but intensifiers" - if these intensifiers are used in a derogatory manner, especially exclusively derogatory, then it is a slur.

The lede says "or to refer to them in a derogatory (critical or disrespectful), pejorative (disapproving or contemptuous), or insulting manner." The list is about slurs targeting a particular religion. Jews is a special case, because it denotes both a religion and ethnicity. Anyway, to avoid this nitpicking, I will follow the example of List of terms used for Germans, I will make List of terms used for Jews. Loew Galitz (talk) 16:42, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

I think a more inclusive article should be fine. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 05:46, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

Proposed merger with "List of ethnic slurs"

I'd propose that this list be merged with the List of ethnic slurs to make a single "List of ethnic and religious slurs". There is too much overlap to have separate lists. Many of the listed terms there are religious slurs in part or whole. Kyke, goy, Haji, and Kafir (just to name a few) and the like are all religious or partly religious in nature. Likewise on the this page Jewish American Princess, Kike, and Hun plainly have ethnic components, and Mackeral Snapper and Papist in the U.S. in the past were usually used primarily towards Irish and Italian immigrants and in the U.K. were usually used with reference to Irish.Mamalujo (talk) 23:31, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

I disagree. Ethnic slurs and religious slurs are completely different things. Ethnic slurs are based on stereotypes or commonality on a particular evoloutionary exterior environmental/regional adaptation (skin pigmentation, height etc) which exists, and religious slurs are based on beliefs from various mythologies which have a very high likelyhood of not existing. Furthermore, it's curious that one can insult something that very probably doesn't exist. So perhaps 'slurs' is a clumsy term.70.75.21.118 (talk) 22:19, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

There should be single page under which different categories can be mentioned किस. मा. (talk) 04:48, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

Heretic?

Is the Native English Dictionary unreliable? From said dictionary, I have this: "In 1785, Friedrich Heinrich Jacobi published a condemnation of Spinoza's pantheism, after Gotthold Ephraim Lessing was thought to have confessed on his deathbed to being a " Spinozist ", which was the equivalent in his time of being called a heretic." Source: [[2]]

For Heretic being an insult, I've got: [[3]] "What Does it Really Mean to Be a Heretic? It’s an age-old insult. Although the word itself technically continued to mean “to choose,” heresy meant that a person had chosen wrong."

Know Einstein (talk) 15:21, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Slams - a derogatory term used against Muslims in South Africa

Daniels, Tasneem. "Om 'n Malay Muslim meisie in die 21ste eeu te wees: 'n Mengelmoes van identiteite." LitNet, 26 November 2019, https://www.litnet.co.za/om-n-malay-muslim-meisie-in-die-21ste-eeu-te-wees-n-mengelmoes-van-identiteite/. Accessed 27 February 2023.

Regarding the term "slams," the article's glossary defines it as a derogatory term for Muslims used in South Africa. The term is considered derogatory because it is a slur that reduces an entire religious community to a simplistic label, and it has historically been used to marginalize and discriminate against Muslims. As such, it should be included on Wikipedia's list of religious slurs as an example of a term that is used to denigrate and insult Muslims. Trissieo (talk) 02:27, 27 February 2023 (UTC)