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missing

How is Berkowitz not on this list?

MB 12-04-2007 18:59, 4 December 2007 (UTC)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Berdella should be added, 7 victims

Deletion debates

For a June 2005 deletion debate over this page see Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/List of serial killers by number of victims

You have got to be effin kidding me. The delete votes clearly strongly outpaced the keep votes. It's ridiculous things like keeping articles most people clearly thought deserved to be deleted that makes this place such a joke. A bunch of juveniles kiddies can come along and screw up VfDs by making nonsensical claims to keep a useless and craptastic article like this and then some admin who can;t count keeps the article. The lunatics are running the asylum here. DreamGuy 05:00, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)

Dreamguy, if you think it is a joke why are you so serious about POVs? The lunatics aren't running the asylum here, the lunatics are the ones who run around aggressively policing POV of others while enforcing the POV of oneself. --AI 02:15, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
The most clear cut case of lunacy in this case is you: Trusting a guy who believed that aliens landed as a reliable source and claiming that his opinions, which are highly disputed by experts in the fields in question, should be printed as factual with no sort of qualifying comments... and then jumping over to a completely unrelated article to whine and complain about it. Keep your nonsense to the appropriate articles, and read the Wikipedia:Neutral Point of View policy before you make more ridiculous complaints. DreamGuy 07:09, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)
DreamGuy,
  1. You're comments are uncalled for.
  2. Please review Wikipedia:No personal attacks.
--AI 18:21, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

New list

OK, first up this list seems rather ghoulish, but, OK, whatever. More importantly though, these sorts of things need to be verifiable, and the numbers you have up there certainly are not. And because of this list you decided to rename the main List of serial killers to List of serial killers by country? I really don't see the point of this at all. DreamGuy 09:23, Apr 22, 2005 (UTC)

I like it

I was looking for some reliable article with "serial killers by bodycount" and this page was the closest that I could get. However, I believe it can be cleaned up for easier vieweing or some sort --sin-man 03:18, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Ivan Milat

I suggest that Ivan Milat be added to this list. angela26 02:44, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

cho sueng hui

He killed all those people at virginia tech and hes not on here?

  • He's a mass/spree-killer (did it all at one time) rather than a serial killer who had time to think between murders which were spread out. See the above page.Malick78 13:11, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

These two examples are needed

This list must be heavily incomplete. For a start, we still need;

I think these should go in. Please comment. Lradrama 15:19, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

This has been seen to by me and someone else now. Lradrama 10:32, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
and also John Reginald Halliday Christie (8 victims) and Peter Sutcliffe (13 victims) Ghughesarch 13:35, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Robert Pickton

I suggest adding Robert Pickton. Although not yet convicted, the evidence says it all.

Sourgas 21:04, 12 July 2007 (UTC)


Oh yes, thanks very much for bringing that into light. Yes, being an unsolved crime doesn't matter, because we've got things like Jack the Ripper and the Suffolk Ripper who are yet to be fully solved. Yes, that needs to go in. Lradrama 08:20, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Yes, I've added that now. Spot him in the list, and see if there are any improvements that can be made. Lradrama 08:55, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Hardin

Hardin cannot really be called a serial killer. He was a gunslinger. I suggest he be removed from the serial killer listJustanotherguy 18:48, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

However, the introduction to both this article and the one for Serial killer defines a serial killer as thus: 'A serial killer is defined as a person who kills three or more people, in three or more separate events over a period of time'. That's what Hardin did. Could you please explain further? Lradrama 18:56, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Wikipedia shouldn't be a reference point for wikipedia articles Lradrama - it therefore matters very little if a gunslinger fits the profile of the Serial Killer article (which, btw, I contend is wrong - serial killers must have a psychological connection to their crimes (but that's beside the point)). Hence, find independent sources which describe theses gunslingers as serial killers, or let's remove Hardin and the others. Furthermore, if they are to be included, they should be lower down the list, since the list is in order of magnitude (worst killers at the top). Malick78 16:50, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Merge

Merger voting can be found at Talk:Most prolific murderers by number of victims#Merge --*momoricks* (talk) 08:29, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

There are these two articles (the other is a split and improvement of the murder sub-section at List of wars and disasters by death toll) which cover essentially the same ground. I know this one is just serial killers and the other is serial and spree killers, but I don't believe the distinction is notable enough to warrant two separate articles, particularly since one combined article can always summarise the differences in the introduction, with links to the parent articles. So I definitely think they should be merged. The question is which way: while this one is in table form, it is lacking any sources whatsoever, as is evidenced by some highly dubious information and estimates, plus it has some glaring omissions (though admittedly with an "incomplete" tag). Furthermore, if the two are going to be merged the other title covers the subject matter better, and most of the information in this article is duplicated there. So I think this article should be merged into the other one. Thoughts and ideas? I will do it on Sunday if there are no objections. Jdcooper 13:53, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

  • I would keep this article separate but improve it. The subject deserves its own page and has little in common with a page about wars and disasters.Malick78 15:19, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
It is not being merged with that page, it is being merged with Most prolific murderers by number of victims. Which is essentially the same subject. Jdcooper 13:16, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Given the high traffic of edits on this page, I am loathe to merge without at least one comment on the proposal (Malick78's comment apparently mistook the target of merge, and as such is not exactly what I mean by comment), so anyone who could support the proposal would be ace, or if you have seen these messages and disagree then please comment detailing why so as to get some discussion going? What I don't want to happen is for me to merge the two articles (which clearly discuss identical topics) and then get large amounts of flak for acting unilaterally. Cheers, Jdcooper 01:36, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
    • I agree with your reasons for merging, considering the duplicated information in this and Most prolific murderers by number of victims and the lack of any demonstrated need to distinguish serial killers from other prolific murderers when making a list like this. Thayvian 23:20, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
I too agree. There's a mechanism for list which enables user sorting, can be found at one of the List of presidents of UNited States articles, and also being discussed at List of elements by ... merge discussions. Rich Farmbrough, 12:41 8 February 2008 (GMT).

Countries

Is there any difference between United Kingdom and Great Britain or could only one be used ? Chris CII (talk) 13:27, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

There seem's to be no difference. Also, Harold Shipman is listed as England. I feel there should be a collective country agreed upon as there does not to seem to be a reasoning to the naming. For example, currently Steven Wright is listed as Great Britain, but he only killed in England. I would suggest all of the England and Great Britain killers be changed to United Kingdom, as this would correspond to them in the related article List of serial killers by country. If anyone has a reasonable objection to this please let me know. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 11:34, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
Seems fair. UK for everyone. Malick78 (talk) 19:43, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
Done! --87.194.223.126 (talk) 23:08, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Order

I am confused in regards to the order of the list. The title reads that it is organized "by number of victims," but this doesn't appear to be the case.

69.213.44.185 (talk) 19:05, 11 April 2008 (UTC)Amanda

I'll second that. At the moment the list has no apparent order. It needs to be decided whether it should be in order of confirmed victims or possible victims, so the list may be re-organised from there.
The state of this page puts it at high risk of deletion as there is already a well organised list of serial killers, List of serial killers by country. Tinkstar1985 13:18, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
I attempted at making the list/table better by putting the serial killers in order of the number of convicted murders. Hopefully this helps. - k|e|n|g - t | c - 17:21, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Ted Kaczynski

It is debatable if Ted Kaczynski is a serial killer.

This article states:

"A serial killer is a person who murders three or more people, in three or more separate events over a period of time, for primarily psychological reasons"

  • 1. It is not entirely clear that his murders were carried out for primarily psychological reasons. He had stated political objectives. One may disagree with his objectives and his means, but that is not the same as "primarily psychological reasons".
  • 2. His wikipedia entry (Theodore_Kaczynski)does not list him as a serial killer, if he is a serial killer then I think the case should first be made on his own article.
  • 3. Certainly he has been called a serial killer, but this is not a list of people that have been called serial killers, but a list of people that are serial killers. see Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons

This is representing a claim(likely false) as a fact. Ethyr (talk) 17:44, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Agree, Kaczynski is less serial killer and more domestic terrorist. RoyBatty42 (talk) 02:04, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Removed Kaczynski from the list Ethyr (talk) 17:41, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Charles Manson

What is the rational for including Manson on the list? Because if you enlarge the definition to make it those who have instructed others to kill in their name, well then you have put Hitler, Pol Pot, Staling and George W. Bush on the list as well. RoyBatty42 (talk) 05:55, 8 July 2008 (UTC)


It depends on the reason why they killed (if for mainly psychological reasons) not how. I think someone could be a serial killer and only order deaths, I do agree that Manson is not a serial killer nor is he named as serial killer on his article. In fact many of the people on this list really do not qualify. 18.103.14.83 (talk) 17:41, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Removed Manson Ethyr (talk) 17:41, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Beltway Snipers?

John Allen Muhammad and Lee Boyd Malvo should be on this list, no? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.22.236.230 (talk) 15:27, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Randy Steven Kraft

There is a conflict between this entry and his article (15 or 16 convicted murders). Also, he needs to be moved as his "proven" victims number only 15/16 and not 67. RoyBatty42 (talk) 01:23, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Peter Manuel

I would put this in but im not too good at creating sections so im wondering if anyone would add him to the list? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.235.7.43 (talk) 22:22, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

  • Your wish is my command... :) Malick78 (talk) 15:12, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

David Moor

What are people's views on this guy? David Moor was a doctor who admitted to the 'mercy-killing' of 300 patients over a 30 year period. Technically it's murder (though he was acquitted of 1 murder), and he was described as a 'serial killer' by tabloids in the UK. He doesn't seem like Shipman, but NPOV would suggest his inclusion. Thoughts? Malick78 (talk) 08:29, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

  • Hmm, I guess though he didn't kill them for psychological reasons. Perhaps he should be in a list of mass murderers then? Malick78 (talk) 12:56, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Pier Gerlofs Donia

This person was not a serial killer; he was a warlord. He does not belong on this list. Surely there is a warlords page he could be added to, but adding him to a page about serial killers makes no sense.66.142.149.135 (talk) 17:57, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Pier Gerlofs Donia decapitated multiple people with own sword. I know it was in times of war, but even some innocent ones had to suffer. I do not know the exact definition of "serial killer" but I thought he should be included. -The Bold Guy- (talk) 05:10, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Elizabeth Bathory and the Bernardos

99.231.197.137 (talk) 20:49, 26 October 2008 (UTC)


I just wanted to note two things........1; Elizabeth (Erszabet) Bathory was actually holed up in her bedroom in her castle- that was her punishment, under death penalty. She was not 'later executed' after being kept in her room, she actually met her fate there when they sealed the door on her and walled her in. 2; I am surprised that you did not list Paul Kenneth Bernardo as 'Paul Kenneth Bernardo AND Karla Homolka' like you did with every other killer couple mentioned. Ian AND Myra, Fred AND Rosemary... why not Paul AND Karla?

99.231.197.137 (talk) 20:49, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Vasili Blokhin doesn't qualify

Judging by this guy's bio, he doesn't fit the serial killer profile as described by Wikipedia: 

A serial killer is a person who murders usually three or more people over a period of more than 30 days 
with a "cooling off" period between each murder, whose motivation for killing is largely based on 
psychological gratification. There is often a sexual element to the murders. The murders may have 
been attempted or completed in a similar fashion and the victims may have had something in common, for 
example occupation, race or gender.

However, Vasili seems more of a war criminal than a serial killer. I vote we remove him from the list.

Columns

I'm not going to edit the text myself in case there's a reason for this (although I admit that I have no idea what it could be) but the first paragraph states "The second column in the table states the number of victims that were definitely assigned to that particular serial killer. The third column states the number of other possible victims that the killer could also have murdered."

This appears to be incorrect; column one - Name, column two - Country, column three - Proven victims, column four - Potential Victims.

Please review.

H Holmes

Confessed to 27 but how many were proven? Rich Farmbrough, 05:36 25 October 2008 (UTC).

Missing cases

Why haven't you got Giulia Tofana, Chang Shin Liao, Wang Qiang, Vasili Komaroff, Manuel Octavio Bermudez, Fernando Hernandez Leyva, Hu Wanlin, Julia Fazekas and Nicholas Trapishkin? 93.69.64.104 (talk) 12:39, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Headings

These surely smack of original research - who has defined these categories of serial killers, who had defined "modern" serial killers etc.? GiantSnowman 22:12, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Forensic psychiatrists. Really the only category that isn't based off of numbers or stated suspicion about the accuracy of the results or body counts is the grouping of medical murders. Medical murders are almost always the elderly or the incredibly young and are the result of non violent methods of murder i.e. overdose or passive drowning.
I used the term modern serial killers because society, psychologists, and police officers made that distinction themselves when the public was exposed to Ted Bundy [1]. It wouldn't make any sense to include Ted Bundy and everyone after him but no one before that because of a philosophical detail so I am forced to rely off of the popularity and understanding of what "modern" usually is which is (by definition of the english dictionary): "characteristic of present and recent time; contemporary; not antiquated or obsolete: modern viewpoints." A large percentage of serial killers pre-1900 were people in positions of socio-economic trust, never fully investigated, or accurately charged in any real way. Their crimes have little in common with the way in which most of science, criminology, or society relates to or refers to serial killers. So suffice to say I dont really see the point of your criticism. If you want to claim that separating violent from nonviolent, serial killers from the modern era {i.e. Late modern period aka 19th Century) and serial killers from before that, and serial murder that occurred at the hand of more than one person a majority of the time is in some way "original research" then go right ahead. - Rox Da Box (talk) 01:33, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
If you can provide links to these definitions - maybe in a little introduction to each section? - then that would be a good compromise. GiantSnowman 12:47, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Vasili Komaroff

Isn't Komaroff a serial killer? He strangled or killed with a hammer 33 victims in Moscow between 1921 and 1923. He was executed by firing squad on 18th June 1923. 109.118.27.122 (talk) 12:57, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Cartoon based on this article

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=294158133933106&set=a.229150380433882.78789.135354339813487&type=1&ref=nf -- Zanimum (talk) 14:35, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

LOL I hope people don't take it too literally. ^^ SpeakFree (talk) 13:57, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Anders Behring Breivik

Why is Anders Behring Breivik not in this list? With the number 77 he belongs to the top. S.I. Oliantigna (talk) 10:32, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

No, he is a Spree killer. Answered in Dutch WP (De Kroeg) by a colleague :) S.I. Oliantigna (talk) 12:25, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
Someone there said Tristan van der Vlis should be added to the list of spree killers. I added him months ago. SpeakFree (talk) 14:14, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Chris Benoit

Why exactly is he on this list? Is it because he killed 2 people?24.115.19.178 (talk) 13:44, 12 October 2011 (UTC) -On another note if that alone is the case for this there happens to be no reason to not include all spree killers or a mass murder. Well unless you are counting the relatively short time between each murder as a cooling off period but even then you are grasping at straws. 24.115.19.178 (talk) 13:48, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

beyond repair?

the article's a mess. in september, the former #1 on the list, dr harold shipman, vanished without explanation, to be replaced by an assortment of what appear to be faux entries. the edit text warns that entries without cites or linked to articles for those listed will be removed - but what about entries that belong that are now missing? it's a complete mess. should probably be deleted. Anastrophe (talk) 06:46, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Protection

Considering the long term repeated additions of unsourced names and more seriously some red-linked and unsourced names, I propose that this list is semi-protected for a year. Any counter opinions on protection for this current BLP violation? --Fæ (talk) 08:13, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Now protected and unsourced and unlinked names trimmed. --Fæ (talk) 05:02, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Disputed cases

Can someone explain the inclusion criteria for this section? There are obviously some disputed cases in there such as Henry Lee Lucas and Gerald Stano, but others seem less disputed such as David Parker Ray, Donald Henry Gaskins and so on. In the main section it includes many killers where is a discrepency between the number of murders they were convicted of and the number of murders they were suspected of, and other than a dispute about the total number of victims (as opposed to whether they killed anyone or not) I'm not seeing any real "dispute" for many of the people in the section. Can anyone explain please? Thanks. 2 lines of K303 12:11, 29 October 2011 (UTC)


Irony in conformity

Found this ironic image based on this article: http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lsioqvNO9T1qj2698o1_500.jpg

Consider perhaps changing this as a stylistic issue. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.79.65.238 (talk) 02:44, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Logical incoherence

  • A freely sortable list of serial-killers is not by number of victims, it is just a list of serial killers
  • possible victims defines a max, listing it as a range, seems to make little sense, the lower part of the range must be the confirmed killings.
  • People like "John Bodkin Adams" with 0 confirmed killings and "John Norman Collins" with 1 confirmed killing, maybe suspected serial killers, but clearly does not belong on a list of serial killers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sorenolin (talk • contribs) 12:43, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from , 30 October 2011

Please change: | Robert Hansen ||  United States || 1980 to 1983 || 15 || 21 || Prostitutes he kidnapped were released into the Alaskan wilderness for him to hunt down like animals. Based on discovered remains, police suspect him of six murders in addition to the 15 for which he was convicted. |-

to:

| Robert Hansen ||  United States || 1980 to 1983 || 15 || 21 || Known as the "Butcher Baker"Prostitutes he kidnapped were released into the Alaskan wilderness for him to hunt down like animals. Based on discovered remains, police suspect him of six murders in addition to the 15 for which he was convicted. |-

because this is the name he has been referenced by in Alaska since the early 80s. See http://chugachpics.tripod.com/hansen.html

Akredhat (talk) 17:40, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. The reference you have provided for the change isn't a reliable one, but if this information has been published elsewhere, please let us know. Thanks, Steven Zhang The clock is ticking.... 01:41, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Kampatimar Shankariya

You haven't listed Shankariya, an Indian born in Jaipur who killed in two years 70+ victims with a hammer. He was caught and executed in 1979, at the age of 27. 2.36.10.96 (talk) 16:36, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from , 12 November 2011

I belive Anders Behring Breivik should be added to the list of serial killers with more than 15 victims as he was the Perpetrator of the Norway attacks on 22nd of july 2011, setting off a bomb in oslo and opening fire on atendees of a norwegian labour party summer camp killing in total 77 people (oslo-8) (utoya-69)

Danzion94 (talk) 22:21, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

 Not done Provide a reliable source and request the edit again. CTJF83 23:12, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from , 14 November 2011

The entry for Norman Afsal Simons has the Apartheid era south african flag, File:Flag of South Africa 1928-1994.svg as opposed to the flag adopted just prior to the first democratic elections

Amashinga (talk) 07:03, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. Looks like the correct flag to me, be more specific. CTJF83 18:39, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from , 17 November 2011

List of serial killers is missing at least one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dayton_Leroy_Rogers

166.250.0.126 (talk) 21:05, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

 Done Baseball Watcher 01:17, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Lists of names

Lists of names in this article should be sourced in accordance with WP:BLP. As there is no way of constantly maintaining linked articles, this applies to names which have a Wikipedia article as well as those that do not. Any name listed with no verifiable citations should be removed. Refer to WP:NLIST for guidance. Fæ (talk) 08:01, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Missing Cases

You haven't listed Raman Raghav (23+ victims), Ramadan Mansour (30+ victims) and Wladyslaw Mazurkiewicz (30+ victims). I remember you haven't got Vasili Komaroff (33) and Kampatimar Shankariya (70+). 2.36.28.18 (talk) 13:56, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Peter Nirsch

You haven't listed Peter Nirsch, who killed 520 victims between 1570 and 1581; some of them were pregnant women. He also killed his pregnant wife. He was caught and executed on 16th September 1581. 2.36.239.95 (talk) 19:20, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Billy Gohl

Does anyone else find it weird that Billy Gohl's "proven victim" statistic is 2-40? 70.156.235.74 (talk) 05:40, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Missing:

Potentially Canada's most prolific serial killer Robert Pickton is missing. Convicted of the murders of 6 women, charged with the murders of 20 others, reportedly confessed to 49 murders to an undercover police officer posing as a cell-mate. Robert_Pickton — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.50.178.87 (talk) 04:27, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 23 December 2011

| Harold Shipman ||  United Kingdom || 1975 to 1998|| 15 || 15–218[1][2] || Harold Fredrick Shipman[1] (14 January 1946 – 13 January 2004) was an English doctor and one of the most prolific serial killers in recorded history with 218 murders being positively ascribed to him..Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page). |-

Bigtone79 (talk) 03:10, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Not done. He already appears at the top of the List of serial killers by number of victims#Medical professionals and quacksalvers section, and has done for some considerable time. 2 lines of K303 14:59, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 8 December 2011

James M.,killed around 7 in the UK,specifically London. Cause of death,suicide,bullet shot to the head.

95.33.124.145 (talk) 19:03, 8 December 2011 (UTC) Anders Behring Breivik, Norway, kills 77 people

Don't think he counts as a serial killer, more a terrorist--Jac16888 Talk 19:14, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

He counts as a rampage killer. -- Spazturtle !DERP/3/PiM Talk 23:17, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 10 January 2012

Bruce George Peter Lee (born Peter Dinsdale in Hull, East Yorkshire, UK July 31st 1960) known as Bruce Lee killed and was convicted of 26 counts of manslaughter through acts of Arson through the 1970's until he was caught aged 19 in 1980 in Hull, East Yorkshire, UK. His victims included young children and elderly men and women. He killed 3 sons (Charles 15, Paul 12 and Peter 8 of the known Hastie family and injured another son, Thomas and their mother, Edith, in an act of revenge on Charles Hastie and his family.

Trinityz75 (talk) 03:12, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Isn't he a serial arsonist, not a serial killer? Except for the Selby Street fire, it looks like the deaths were incidental to his pyromania. — Bility (talk) 19:23, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 Not done, unless a source can be given which defines him as a serial killer--Jac16888 Talk 15:51, 23 January 2012 (UTC)`

Michel Fourniret

Michel Fourniret could indeed be added to this list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.70.0.136 (talk) 19:05, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Done. — Bility (talk) 19:38, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Jack the Ripper

You forgot Jack the Ripper! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.82.160.153 (talk) 21:41, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 1 February, 2012

If I just missed it, I apologize. I scanned the list several times. Dean Corll appears to be missing, possibly along with his two youthful accomplices David Brooks and Elmer Wayne Henley. The latter two are still in prison while Corll was killed by Henley just before the murders came to light. Corll, the main perpetrator of the Houston Mass Murders of boys and young men in the early seventies, is confirmed to have killed at least 28, and possibly several more. He is responsible for all the murders, with Henley implicated in some. Brooks claims he never actually murdered anyone, but admits to luring several to Corll’s various residences knowing full well what their intended fates would be.

There are Wiki articles for Corll and Henley (both sadists as well as murderers). Here is the link for Corll’s which includes a link for Henley’s:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean_Corll

Thank you.HistoryBuff14 (talk) 21:14, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Requires edit for grammar

"He killed his victims with guns, rocks a knife and a hammer" Requires additional commas. Unless of course the killer was in fact rocking a knife and a hammer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.164.30.15 (talk) 22:14, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

I have noticed nurse Beverley Allitt not on this list of murderers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.185.138.240 (talk) 20:04, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 19 December 2011

Andrew Hussie United States unknown confirmed victims unknown suspected victims

OMG THEY ARE MONTERS! WHY YOU DEDICATE A WHOLE ARTICLE, THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.58.4.31 (talk) 11:50, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

76.232.189.240 (talk) 04:00, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Any sources, or is this someone you know personally? --Fæ (talk) 10:39, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 26 February 2012

Wladyslaw Mazurkiewicz (serial killer) (30+ victims), Ramadan Mansour (30+ victims), Stephan Letter (29+ victims) Vasili Komaroff (33 victims), Fernando Hernandez Leyva (33+ victims), David Thabo Simelane (28-34+ victims), Hadj Mohammed Mesfewi (36 victims) and Kampatimar Shankariya (70+ victims) are missing. 2.35.125.138 (talk) 11:46, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Gerard Schaefer

Gerard John Schaefer is missing. He was a policeman who may have killed up to 30 girls. 2.35.125.138 (talk) 19:48, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

This still hasn't been fixed. He at times laid claim to a death toll of over 80. He was sentenced for
Two of them when the other bodies had not yet been found. The count mounted soon after that, and his collection of victim "souvenirs", his writings, and much other evidence connected him irrefutably to at least 6 others. Some investigators put him at 11 definite murders, with his "probable" total usually stated in the vicinity of 30. His murders occurred mainly in South Florida, but he seems to have ranged out of state for some of them. 2601:589:8401:3D40:3487:E9EB:AD95:7299 (talk) 19:54, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

serial killers

The article sais "A serial killer is a person who murders two or more people". I do belive that it should be "three or more". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.228.184.187 (talk) 10:30, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

serial killer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_George_Haigh — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.228.184.187 (talk) 10:35, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

H. H. Holmes?

His years active is given as 1886 - Should he not be in the pre-1900 list? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.165.120.51 (talk) 00:37, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Just a small typo

"Nurse who she killed five elderly patients using sedatives and opiates in Finland." -> "Nurse who killed five elderly patients using sedatives and opiates in Finland."

 Fixed, thanks. Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 14:05, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Why not Bathory ?

Where's Elizabeth Bathory ? Why is she not in the list`? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.5.184.243 (talk) 14:48, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

I must agree, she was convicted for murdering 80 people. Asarelah (talk) 23:07, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Ted Bundy

I am 99% sure I know the answer to this question, but it does provide me an opportunity for clarification on the acceptance of information made by direct personal knowledge, but not external citation. I presume the defining requirement is the ability to prove with an outside source, but are there ever instances, if one were willing to submit information with their name and circumstances to support, that personal information would be allowable? On the night Ted Bundy was executed I was with his long time girlfriend (identified in his article as Stephanie Brooks (which incidentally, is a pseudonym and not identified as such, though she has always asked to be not identified to protect her young daughter who bore a devastating resemblance to his one child victim Kimberly Leach). She took a phone call from him hours before the execution, during which she asked/begged him to tell her truthfully how many women he actually murdered and he answered, "Triple digits, I lost count." Is there any way that information is valid for use by terms of Wiki standards. I doubt it, but curious in that there are other instances where I have personal information about local residents (though nothing that sensational). Thanks for your time, it all helps me improve my skills as an Editor and I value very much doing my best and maintaining Wiki standards. OneHappyHusky (talk) 17:52, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

The "triple digits" story is detailed in other sources, but not attributed to a phone-call to his ex-girlfriend, it can be seen here. That section is a bit confusing due to the "Years later he told attorney Polly Nelson that the common estimate of 35 was accurate" part when I've always thought the "one digit" quote was said shortly before his execution, but Ann Rule seems to be attributing it to a conversation with a Florida detective shortly after his arrest (although this appears to disagree on when it was said). Sources tend be divided on what, if anything, he really meant by the "add one digit" claim, whether he was just playing with the investigators or whether he means 37 (36+1) or a triple digit total. I'd have to look at the sources to get you a more detailed answer. 2 lines of K303 09:01, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Anders Behring Breivik

Anders should be added with 69 confirmed. http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/witnesses-tell-court-of-norwegian-mass-murderers-island-shooting-spree-that-killed-69/2012/05/03/gIQAnrMayT_story.html (----) — Preceding unsigned comment added by DRGShaggy (talk • contribs) 17:36, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

He is not a serial killer. 2 lines of K303 17:38, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 13 May 2012

The pig farmer in Canada who killed a lot of prostitutes. 50.113.154.118 (talk) 05:23, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Robert Pickton is already listed in Disputed cases, as the correct number may never be known. Dru of Id (talk) 07:05, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

EDIT REQUEST Anders Hansson link is wrong

The link for the serial killer Anders Hansson leads to a page for Anders Hansson the politician. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.82.204.107 (talk) 13:55, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

 Fixed It appears there is no article yet, but I've disambiguated with 'serial killer', used in other individual article titles on the page, and in the description of the crimes. Dru of Id (talk) 14:27, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 20 May 2012

Serial killer groups and couples 2nd line of the table (Susi Olah & Julia Fazekas), last column (Miscellaneous information): "Poisoned their victims in the Tiszaug area."

Please change "Tiszaug" to "Tiszazug", because there is no Tiszaug area in Hungary.

In this page references the name of the area is correct: Susi Olah & Julia Fazekas (Bodó, Béla (2002). "The poisoning women of Tiszazug".)

Olivaw4254 (talk) 13:13, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

 Not done See Tiszaug, which is suggest corrected from Tiszazug. Dru of Id (talk) 14:34, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

German Reich vs. Germany

Karl Denke (1900-1924) is listed unter German Reich whereas Fritz Haarmann (1919-1924) is listed under Germany. Which one would be correct? --DSGalaktos (talk) 14:04, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

  • Both is correct. Since the official name of Germany is "Bundesrepublik Deutschland" ("Federal Republic of Germany") today, simply referring to "Germany" sounds like a good solution to me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.204.137.26 (talk) 12:15, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Pedro Filho

The bodycount of Pedro Rodrigues Filho is not 75, but 71 confirmed victims. 2.35.125.138 (talk) 19:54, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Hey wait, 2.35.125.138 traces to the Rodrigues compound. Nice try, Peter! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.89.177.212 (talk) 18:23, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Really...?

I'm just going to leave this here... http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/demotivational-posters-challenge-accepted.jpg --121.73.99.102 (talk) 10:30, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Indeed. My friends and I were just talking about that over Ventrilo just now! :D Jesse V. (talk) 06:40, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
It seems to have been amended to say "Please do not expand the list by killing people." Well done! 108.193.106.181 (talk) 04:17, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
And now someone's removed that :-( XinaNicole (talk) 01:09, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
I think it should be added again. A little humour won't kill anyone
It killed my audience when I mentioned it at The Improv! [1]

It might actively prevent people from being killed.

sereos pepel pls( cue dolan) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.141.75.230 (talk) 23:38, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Please? http://cheezburger.com/6275202304?siteId=19365 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.161.152.55 (talk) 06:17, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Sort not working

The sort options on the page are not working properly. The killers with three-digit counts are placed near the bottom of the list when it is sorted in descending order. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.159.111.111 (talk) 20:10, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Can we please include this inside it? I personally think it would be honerable to memebase users and the meme ingeneral

What I want included. Im sorry if you disagree. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.161.152.55 (talk) 06:13, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

This is Wikipedia, not Æ. Ctrlaltdecimate (talk) 20:37, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Medical professionals as distinct from serial killers?

The term "serial killers" is objective. It doesn't judge the morality, and thus medical professionals should be included in the main list, even if there might be a case for some of their killings being categorised as "mercy killings". I have no idea why there is a separate list for couples, and feel that both differentiations unfairly prejudice prolific English serial killers' positions in the chart. Thus the lists should be merged. DavidFarmbrough (talk) 21:19, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

  • The term serial killer denotes a certain form of murder that medical killings have little in common with. The nature of the crimes have vastly different motives. Originally I had this list organized as Violent, Medical, Group so as to provide a more insightful organization. Someone changed it to /just/ serial killers thereby throwing off the point of splitting sections up. I've changed some things to hopefully keep the location of the medical professionals in the center of the article so as to not bury their notoriety. PROTIP: Aside from Shipman none of the English serial killers managed to crack 15 victims. So your criticism that the list is somehow unfair to England is a bit wrong. The lists are fine as they are. There are too many names and topics going on in these cases to put them back into one singular list. - Rox Da Box (talk) 18:23, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 29 June 2012

The past tense of 'to hang' (in terms of execution) is 'hanged - and not 'hung' as used in this article. 86.180.81.240 (talk) 20:24, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Done Ryan Vesey Review me! 17:27, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

Disputed Cases?

While some of these cases (involving unidentified killers or questionable confessions) raise some doubts, there are others (like Holmes or Gaskins) that seem no different from the criminals on your larger lists. The number of victims might be in question but that is true for many of the killers on your lists. 68.197.234.170 (talk) 23:23, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

I made the same point at Talk:List of serial killers by number of victims/Archive 1#Disputed cases and never got a reply. Unless someone is prepared to justify the inclusion of individual people in that section, I'm going to move the ones apparently not in dispute into the main section(s) of the article. 2 lines of K303 09:03, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 11 July 2012

The description for the "Serial killers with 30 victims or less" says "This part of the list contains all serial killers with at least 15 proven victims that acted alone and were neither medical professionals nor contract killers". Shouldn't the description say "This part of the list contains all serial killers with at least 30 proven victims that acted alone and were neither medical professionals nor contract killers"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.44.135.28 (talk) 13:32, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 12 July 2012

Just a small note, but I feel that the "Moors Murderers" (Ian Brady and Myra Hindley) are in the wrong section since they are a couple. I also believe that Ray and Faye Copeland should also be added to the couples and group section. Vektrix (talk) 08:27, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

isn't hitler a serial killer?

He fits all the requirements so why isn't he? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alpha11579 (talk • contribs) 12:54, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

He didn't directly kill anyone, maybe? Gk007 (talk) 00:02, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

He would be a mass murderer if anything. Danestaples13 (talk) 16:17, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

Bruno Ludke

Is there a reason as to why this man isn't on the list? There's a page for him on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruno_Ludke — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.10.228.122 (talk) 21:44, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

He is on this list under the "Disputed cases" section. —KuyaBriBriTalk 14:44, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 27 September 2012

The 'Groups and Couples' category should include Raymond Fernandez and Martha Beck aka The Lonely Heart Killers. They were believed to have killed 20 women and were executed on March 8, 1951 by electric chair. Janette 22:28, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Done —KuyaBriBriTalk 15:29, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 5 October 2012

  1. 1 Adolf Hitler: Germany and all over western europe, late 1930's-1945, confirmed kills over 9,000.

Lonewolfryan33 (talk) 10:02, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Not done: By definition, "mass murderer" and "serial killer" are not the same thing. —KuyaBriBriTalk 14:32, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Michel Fourniret

He has confessed 9 murders and was condemned for 8 I think. Saying he has 16 proven victims seems inaccurate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.156.82.52 (talk) 01:39, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Javed Iqbal

Javed Iqbal is a confirmed serial killer. More than 74+ children were proven to be killed by him. He should not be in the list of disputed killers. There is a 120 minutes documentary made in Pakistani media (GEO News) over facts and incidents surrounding the killings. He made the record of all his killings by snapping photos and collecting clothes of his victims. I could not find the digital reference of this documentary. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Afzalwaseem (talk • contribs) 16:18, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Jack The Ripper

How is he not on here?

Granted, he didn't kill as many people as a lot of the people on this list. But he is one of the most famous serial killers of all time. And all the other people on this list who have been nicknamed "the such-and-such ripper" have likely been named after this one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.148.183.5 (talk) 17:14, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Possibly because there's some debate whether he even existed at all? Atypicaloracle (talk) 21:57, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Oh he existed allright. There are pictures of the prostitutes cadavers, descriptions, his medical knowledge and his methodology(organ removal) are his signature, there are letters he wrote to the police ( "dear Boss ") describing his next murders... The problem isn't if he existed or not but where does the legend starts and end. There was so much hypothesis, extrapolation or fiction built around Jack the Ripper, it is now almost impossible to get a global view of the whole thing without getting it polluted by asbtractive things. Nicolasticot (talk) 23:11, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Colombia

I'm concerned that the top three on this list are Colombian - surely unlikely statistically speaking. How verifiable are each of these three? - 11:25, 23 August 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.191.144.209 (talk)

Think about it. South America has been an incredibly lawless region that rarely erupts in full on war. We are talking about Colombia the nation that allows its wealthy to hire death squads to cull the homeless. Soviet Russia was similar and out popped Chikatilo. Also, most of the South American serial killers targeted children. IM TOLD, that children arent known for fighting murderous adults. Just a theory. I wouldnt be surprised if China, India, and Brazil all see a sudden surge of serial murder themselves. - Rox Da Box (talk) 16:40, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
It's not "allowed" at all, quite the opposite, "Rox Da Box". And what you call "wealthy people" is mainly against it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JoacoCanal (talk • contribs) 23:43, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
What I think is unlikely is the fact there are only 3 serial killers in this region. Child abuse is rampant in Colombia [3] and domestic violence is the norm, both of which are apparently a contributing factor [4] to the psychopathies associated with serial killers. Thousands of people still disappear (or are murdered) every year and law enforcement doesn't have the technical or financial resources nor any real political backing from the government to truly investigate and solve most cases. People get away with murder easily in this latitudes. So, to summarize, we have a place where a sizable portion of the population has directly experienced violence in their family, an endemic culture of indifference and an inefficient system of law and justice. I don't think it is illogical to conclude that these 3 cases are more than just a simple statistical anomaly. There must be many more serial killers on the loose in Colombia.186.180.153.7 (talk) 05:46, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Bloody Countess Elizabeth Báthory / Gilles de Rais / Thug Behram.

Elizabeth_Báthory / Gilles_de_Rais / Thug_Behram Those 3 people should be in the tables. They had a social standing that made them able to be the most prolific serial killers ever (2 nobles and 1 guru). They can not be categorized with mass murderer because they did not murder nor delegate murder to assure their power or political standing but the opposite: they used their connections/position to nurture and assure their bloody needs. The first one liked to bath in blood, the second was a satanic serial killer and the third simply had a fetish for strangulation.

The countess trial and conviction was about 200 young virgin murders. 80 bodies found. Suspected victims: 650+ (the latest number maybe influenced by politics). Gilles de Rais. More than 200 children - real number unknown. Thug Behram confessed 125 first degree murders + 150 other murders. The real number may be up to 931 victims. ~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nicolasticot (talk • contribs) 20:15, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

You're not very good at doing research, are you? Elizabeth Báthory: No evidence that she ever bathed in blood. From what I've read, the number of her victims is almost certainly greatly exaggerated. Gilles de Rais: If the real number is unknown, than how can it be over 200? You said it yourself. Thug Behram: To quote the man in question, "I may have strangled with my own hands about 125 men, and I may have seen strangled 150 more." 931 victims? lol 68.100.138.56 (talk) 01:33, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

I have added a section that links to the other article - its in the lead (with an explanation) but I guess some miss it ...s0 section link.Moxy (talk) 21:20, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 16 December 2012

I have one to add to this list. I was the police detective that caught him and have personal knowledge of his crimes. His name is Joseph Weldon Brown, and he is currently in the Westville Correctional Unit in Indiana. He was convicted of murdering Ginger Gasaway in 2000 in Evansville, Indiana and confessed to 13 other murders that were unproven. While serving a sentence of life without parole he strangled his cellmate in Miami Correctional Facility in Bunker Hill, Indiana. He had warned the judge and police earlier that if he got the chance to kill again, he would do so. Check this one out. My name is Rick Reed. My email is rick@rickreedbooks.com. I wrote a book about him titled, Blood Trail.[2]Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 12:40, 18 December 2012 (UTC)Rick Reed/ Reference] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.70.157.61 (talk) 16:53, 16 December 2012‎ (UTC)

Not done for now: generally we only include people who have their own Wikipedia article, or are notable per WP:CRIMINAL. If you would like to write an article about him I suggest you create an account (though you don't have too) and use the article wizard. If you don't want to write an article have a look at the types of entries already on the page and find some news articles which show that he is notable according to our guidelines. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 12:40, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

This suggestion is a little bit disturbing

"This list is incomplete; you can help by expanding it." Mammux (talk) 13:34, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/578231_390729200962444_480925846_n.jpg :) capmo (talk) 00:17, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
You shouldn't link to a picture from Facebook, since you can use it to find your profile. Just a heads up (also now I know who you are...).Jfc12 (talk) 18:47, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
It'd be advisable to never tag serial killer pages in this manner. Some people are crazy enough to not take it as a joke: http://ragecollection.com/15102 --Anon 68.10.142.54 (talk) 15:16, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

On a somewhat related note, the first section after the introduction is called "The Top 15 Serial Killers" (slightly paraphrased). I do not think we should have a serial killer leaderboard. It sends the wrong message. 68.100.138.56 (talk) 00:58, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

It's not something for Wikipedia to concern itself with. Standard Wikipedia policy, as I understand it, suggests having this note on lists in need of work. If we stop and make special cases for the wording of this, then we start changing the wording on other things, and all of a sudden we're no longer an encyclopedia but a massive edit war. It's assumed no one will go and kill people to meet Wikipedia's notability requirements, but Wikipedia, in my opinion, is about providing factual information to all. As for the joke, I am not against related humor in articles, but in this case, it's not really relevant, or informative. Really, if anyone's going to go out to become a serial killer in order to get on this Wikipedia page, a disclaimer isn't going to help. The purpose of a disclaimer is to prevent legal liability, not the actual act. There's no real risk of legal liability for this at Wikipedia. As for naming a list 'Top 15 Serial Killers', I'm sure we can find better wording for that. -Padenton (talk) 21:10, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

I renamed the list to "Serial killers with the highest known victim count", couldn't think of anything better. -Padenton (talk) 21:17, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

All the jokes aside, the template is probably one of the sections of the article that consistently gets editing attention. We've had it substituted with the wording changed, and recently we've had it transcluded as normal. I suggest that future changes be discussed here first.

Myself, I'd rather see it transcluded, firstly for the reason that it's meant to be transcluded, and secondly per the arguments listed by User:Padenton above: it is unlikely anyone will feel compelled to murder people become of WP's hatnote, and so changes to wording would only serve as a way of stepping around a joke. — daranz [ t ] 20:08, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 18 January 2013

Two serial killers not on list at all (that I could find) and I think should be added. Americans: 1) Carl Eugene Watts...confessed to 40 but stopped confessing simply because he didn't want to be considered a mass murderer. He was suspected in killing 90 <--one of the most prolific killers in America 2) Wayne Williams killing 23 also suspected in more

These two accounts were easy to validate.

Analysst (talk) 15:52, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Done as both have extant Wikipedia articles. —KuyaBriBriTalk 19:06, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
Could we get some refs for them - not sure the best ones to use from the main article? As per WP:Source list even list that go to other articles need to have sources for them on any page that makes claims.Moxy (talk) 19:12, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
 Done —KuyaBriBriTalk 19:20, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

The Baseline Killer

killed 9 in Phoenix, Az; not currently on the list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Qbande (talk • contribs) 07:52, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 3 February 2013

Hu Wanlin was an active serial killer between 1997 - 1998 (Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/index.html?curid=12336618) Emmal27 (talk) 03:04, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Question: Where are you looking to have this in the article? --Jnorton7558 (talk) 21:24, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

where is Randy Kraft on this list? He murdered over 60 young men?

Where is Randy Kraft on this list? That loser is still on death row waiting for execution. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.75.110.99 (talk) 23:28, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Robert Andrew "Bob" Berdella should be on this list.

Robert Andrew "Bob" Berdella (January 31, 1949 – October 8, 1992) was an American serial killer in Kansas City, Missouri who raped, tortured and killed at least six men between 1984 and 1987. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nap1600 (talk • contribs) 21:10, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

 Done. We have an article already, so I went ahead and added him.  — daranz [ t ] 21:33, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Abortion is not murder

In the entry for Delfina & María de Jesús González, it states that the couple killed 'several fetuses'. I have a problem with that for a number of reasons, but if we're going to take fetuses into account, I'd have expected scored of doctors in this list. That a fetus can be murdered is a contentious issue and I think it would be best to omit it. 129.234.235.108 (talk) 21:07, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

The victim count listed in this list only takes into account persons who were killed under the legal definition of murder in the jurisdiction where it happened. "At least" 80 women + 11 men = 91+. The fact that they killed several fetuses is deplorable in my book, but it is only mentioned as a side note and is not a factor in their status as serial killers or the number of "confirmed" or "possible" victims listed in this list. —KuyaBriBriTalk 15:38, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

What about the Norwegian Anders Behring Breivik

This guy killed 77 people in one day, why he is not in this list? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.19.106.66 (talk) 10:57, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Please see the definition of "serial killer" at the top of this article. Mr. Breivik's actions do not qualify him as a "serial killer" but they do qualify as a "mass murder" or "rampage killing", and he is listed at the article List of rampage killers. —KuyaBriBriTalk 14:18, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Where is Richard Kuklinski?

"He claimed to have murdered over 100, or possibly 250 men (his recollections varied) between 1948 and 1986" Here link to the paga about him on Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Kuklinski — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.76.244.226 (talk) 12:41, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Remove it

I cannot believe this article. Is this for real? Having a top X0 of the best (worst) serial killers of all time? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.53.186.250 (talk) 10:56, 31 March 2013 (UTC) Yeah, enjoy it! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.210.129.254 (talk) 18:22, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Nicolai Bonner

can you add Nicolai Bonner?

he kill 4 adults and has been called "Israel's first serial killer" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dvir01 (talk • contribs) 06:40, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Ruza Jelic

She murder 1555 people, but possibel number of victims are 7. If you undrstend croatian http://doznajemo.com/2012/03/05/lede-krv-u-zilama-popis-najgorih-zlocina-u-bih-koje-su-pocinile-pomahnitale-ubice/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ivo.krle (talk • contribs) 22:11, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

 Not done. Individual does not have a Wikipedia article. —KuyaBriBriTalk 14:50, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Robledo Puch should be added to this list

Robledo Puch was convicted for 11 murders commited in an aproximately 2 years span. Therefore he qualifies to be added to this list. I also suggest moving his article to Carlos Eduardo Robledo Puch, his actual full name; "Robledo Puch" being only his two surnames. Last but not least, the spanish version of his article contains many details missing in the english version; I encourage someone witha good command of the spanish language to translate that article for the english-speaking readers. 银天鹅 (talk) 12:53, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

 Done. As for your request to move the article, that needs to be done in accordance with WP:RM. 14:48, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Jack the Stripper?

Can someone change "Jack the Stripper" to "Jack the Ripper" since he wasn't a stripper. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.39.50.39 (talk) 07:09, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Jack the Ripper and Jack the Stripper are two different people. —KuyaBriBriTalk 14:50, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Should this list include the Oakland County Child Killer?

The killer was never arrested, but the Wikipedia page on the killings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oakland_County_Child_Killer) says he had four confirmed victims in 1976 and 1977. That seems worthy of inclusion to me, especially in light of the list's inclusion of the Zodiac Killer, who was also never apprehended.

Thanks!

sf — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.9.95.25 (talk) 22:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Michael Gargiulo

Please edit Michael Gargiulo's entry to reflect the fact that Ellerin was Kutcher's girlfriend at the time of her murder. Also, add punctuation. 81.153.170.80 (talk) 17:07, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

John Christie?

8 victims identified (7 of them he admitted/confirmed himself, only denied killing the baby), at least one more unknown victim, based on his pubic hair collection. I believe all of this is on his very own Wiki page, but if not, you'll find the rest at TruTV's website. JohnEmilList (talk) 23:37, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Where is Kermit Gosnell?

Being prosecuted for 8 murders. Suspected of 100. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.38.133.14 (talk) 21:41, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

He has been accused. If he is found guilty then maybe he should be included. --Racklever (talk) 15:45, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
Convicted of 3 murders, testimony of hundreds more. Gaijin42 (talk) 20:55, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Death of Richard Ramirez

Should be noted on this page. From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Ramirez : Ramirez died of complications secondary to B-cell lymphoma at Marin General Hospital in Greenbrae, California, on June 7, 2013.[51][52][53] 24.251.52.156 (talk) 04:11, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

where is Rayia & Sakina of egypt

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raya_and_Sakina http://evilladies.com/serial-killers/raya-and-sakina-egypts-most-infamous-female-serial-killers/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.234.34.29 (talk) 20:20, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

The linked articles seem light on references, but as its from the 20s its unlikely that there are BLP issues. Feel free to add it. Gaijin42 (talk) 20:31, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

It's good you changed the template

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1044165_414025095378090_1170572676_n.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by ThorRune (talk • contribs) 08:04, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

what about Caligula

he killed more then 400 people

Sourcing is likely apocryphal, and executions etc do not really meet the defenition of serial killer. Gaijin42 (talk) 02:13, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Where is Jeffrey Dahmer?

Why isn't Jeffrey Dahmer on the list? He killed 17 people between 1978 and 1991.--Death Bredon (talk) 18:01, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

He is on the list. in the 30 or fewer section. Gaijin42 (talk) 18:03, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Can I suggest Robert Picton?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Pickton would be a good addition. This creep murdered 49 by his admission to the Crown, though he was only prosecuted and convicted of 7. The Crown stayed the remaining 27 charges of murder against him as they could not actually add to his sentence by further prosecution (which would come at great expense) KC Gustafson (talk) 20:27, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

What about Anders Behring Breivik?

I think it was 69 people on a shoting and 8 with a bomb. And everything happend in just a couple of hours. Brevik is a mass-murderer, not a serial killer.74.138.45.132 (talk) 05:49, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Hu Wanlin

Article names him likely guilty of murdering at least 146 people, but says that he was imprisoned for medical malpractice. Does that mean he has "zero" proven murders?--Menah the Great (talk) 15:00, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Thomas Quick

I guess Thomas Quick can be taken off the list now, he likely hasn't killed anyone (though not for not trying), since all convictions have been overturned as of July 2013, as per the article on him. 83.241.192.2 (talk) 07:10, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Escorts?

The entry on Gary Ridgway states that most of his victims were "escorts". They weren't escorts in any way that the word is currently used, rather they were street-walking prostitutes.74.138.45.132 (talk) 05:51, 24 July 2013 (UTC) Should be sex workers, not escorts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nbethholt (talk • contribs) 14:12, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Change Jack the Stripper

Obviously some sort of joke. Please change Jack the Stripper to Jack the Ripper. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.189.98.171 (talk) 14:33, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

The name is of course inspired by the original Jack the Ripper, but this is a different person almost a hundred years later, as per the linked article. 83.241.192.2 (talk) 11:03, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

What About H. H. Holmes?

What about H. H. Holmes, possibly America's most prolific serial killer? He has 9 confirmed murders, 27 confessed, and, given he built a building for the killing and disposal of his victims, may have killed 200 or more.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._H._Holmes

71.80.77.121 (talk) 22:56, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

In th years he lived in utah.

The years don't may not make sence. When he joins the millitary in 1998. Also He killed animals growing up as a child in utah and raped a girl at 12. He says he wont say if he killed her or not. There is also ten years where there is no acount of him from his young twentys to to young thirty's besides 3 years in the military. whee they never serverd over seas so he was most likely seen onece a weekend a month. then, 2001 he gets a honrable discharge. which I believe he had ten of his young twentys to learn how to figure out how to kill and never have questions asked.. bundy was here aound that same time. And lived around the same part.. There is a lot more to this story then I thought. He could seen a killing.. I have seen and have a Picture Bundy drew in a tree of seven girls names.. in gunn utah. Untold story unless we can tell it.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.49.129.28 (talk) 00:10, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Donato Bilancia wasn't actually a burglar

Donato Bilancia wasn't really a burglar in the common acception of the term: in fact, although he committed two of his killings during home burglaries (a card game's operator and his wife in October 1997 and, some days later, a jeweler and his wife), these were direct consequences of his gambling habit. Italian newspapers at the time actually called him a compulsive gambler: he was a somehow shady carachter that made a life betting, gaining and spending money in legal and illegal card games, casinos, horse races, etc. Source: Italian and English Wikipedia voices about Donato Bilancia.

79.46.3.153 (talk) 12:29, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Serial killers - groups addition to top spot

The section that says groups/couples - I think there is a candidate for the top spot. The notorious Dandupalya Gang of India. They have commited over 500 murders and rapes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dandupalya#The_Dandupalya_Gang — Preceding unsigned comment added by Navrev (talk • contribs) 19:01, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Robert Hansen years active

Incorrect -- should be changed from 1980-1983 to 1971-1983 (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Hansen) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.74.50.227 (talk) 21:27, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Amelia Dyer

Amelia Dyer should be in here somewhere - probably under the 'quacksalvers' section? 6 definitely attributed victims, but suspect of anything up to 400 in total, as she was only apprehended late in life after several decades of activity. Carpsio (talk) 09:03, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

That woman died in 1896. There is a sub-article for serial killers active only before 1900 where she should be included.--Menah the Great (talk) 03:00, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

column has an obvious error

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_serial_killers_by_number_of_victims near the bottom of the list in section "serial killers with less than 15 proven victims" look at: name and years active columns vincent jahnso 1999-2000 william mcdonald 1961-1962 i can only assume years active refers to the years active in their murders. but then take a look at thomas dillon located between these two names. years active - 1950 to 2011. if you click on thomas dillon's name, you will find he was born in 1950 and died in 2011. are we to assume that he began his killing upon the year he was born or that the other serial killers, as previously mentioned above only lived for one year? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.58.236.236 (talk) 08:32, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

This is now corrected. If you see other errors in the future you can correct them yourself too, you know.--Menah the Great (talk) 03:03, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

Ronald Janssen

Ronald Janssen is a Belgian killer. He confessed to the murder of 3 people: one in 2007 and two in 2010. Psychiatrists say he has the profile of a serial killer. He got a life sentence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ankemaes (talk • contribs) 08:58, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Feel free to add that information if you have a reliable source handy. --Geniac (talk) 23:12, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Pakistani serial killer who murdered some 100 boys.

Javed Iqbal, (born 1961? , Pakistan—died Oct. 9, 2001 , Lahore), Pakistani serial killer who murdered some 100 boys. His case attracted international attention not only because he was one of the deadliest serial killers in history but because, upon his conviction, he was sentenced to die in a manner similar to that in which he had tortured and killed his victims.

Little is known about Iqbal’s early life. Although complaints of sodomy were lodged against him in 1985 and 1990, he was never convicted of any of the charges. Iqbal surrendered to Pakistani authorities in 1999 after confessing to 100 murders during a six-month period. According to his confession, he had lured the boys, mostly beggars and street children between the ages of 6 and 16, to his home in Lahore, where he sexually assaulted them, strangled them to death, dismembered their bodies, and disposed of the pieces in a vat of acid. Iqbal claimed that his crimes were undertaken as an act of revenge against the police, who, he said, had assaulted him following an arrest. Iqbal kept detailed records of his victims, including their names, ages, and photographs.

Although he later denied his guilt, Iqbal was given 100 death sentences; the court also ordered that he be executed with the same chain he used to strangle his victims and that his body be cut into 100 pieces and dissolved in acid. Before the execution could take place, however, Iqbal and a young accomplice, who also had been convicted, were found dead in their prison cells. Despite indications of foul play, their deaths were officially ruled suicides. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.212.189.243 (talk) 09:16, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Feel free to add that information if you have a reliable source handy. --Geniac (talk) 23:12, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Robert Pickton

Robert Pickton should be included. He killed mostly sex workers in British Columbia Canada. Charged with the first degree murders of 26 women; allegedly confessed to 49 murders; convicted December 9, 2007 of six counts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.156.120.109 (talk) 15:16, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 January 2014

Jack the Stripper should be translate to Jack the Ripper 78.133.35.112 (talk) 13:35, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. I'm not clear what you are asking - Jack the Stripper was a serial killer in 1964-65. Jack the Ripper is not in the table but looking back in the archives this may be because it is impossible to tell the truth from the legend - if he really existed. Arjayay (talk) 19:03, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

chris benoit

was not a serial killer. does not fit definition. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.29.52.11 (talk) 05:23, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

I fully agree, and have removed Chris Benoit from the list.
The list criteria are "a person who murders two or more people, in two or more separate events over a period of time". Benoit murdered his wife and son on the same day, before committing suicide. This does not make him a serial killer by the list criteria, and the list would be swamped with names if the criteria were changed to include such family tragedies. - Arjayay (talk) 09:25, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

san deigo ca 1979 to 1984

David Allen Lucas carpet cleaner in spring valley ca check it out!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.20.110.242 (talk) 09:39, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Not done: Not mentioned anywhere in Wikipedia, and you have not cited any reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to any article. - Arjayay (talk) 10:42, 21 January 2014 (UTC)


David Lucas is well known in the San Diego Community for three murders he committed on 2 separate occasions(http://www.topix.com/forum/san-diego/TOEAIS3I2NBIDGPCA) I think he committed the murders a month apart though - and I would not really consider that a "cooling off period". The FBI appear to have revised their previous definition of serial killer from 3 murders in three separate incidents with a significant cooling off period in between (around 3-6 months) so although Lucas is very real - I don't think he necessarily fits the category "Serial Killer" 207.8.52.234 (talk) 22:26, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

additional convicted serial killers

Where are Charles Raider, (BTK) and Richard Cottingham? They are much worse than some listed here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.7.191.130 (talk) 20:08, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Dennis Rader and Cottingham are both there, you can find stuff faster if you press ctrl+f in case you didn't know AndySherwood (talk) 21:29, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Medical professionals and quacks

The list in the "Medical professionals and quacks" section doesn't have the headings that one can click to sort the killers. (e.g. by years active, by number of proven victims, etc.) I don't know how to convert the table to have those headers, but if someone who does were to convert it, the table would have sortable headings like the rest of the sections have. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Matzo3 (talk • contribs) 16:00, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Executioners

Shouldn't executioners of various oppressive regimes be included in this list? At times those individuals continued their crimes for decades. Prime example being Vasili Blokhin with his circa 20 000 executions. At the very least there should be a reference to Category:Genocide perpetrators in "See also" -section. --Zaelot (talk) 21:24, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

This is an article about serial killers not about those who carries out a death sentence ordered by the state. -- Moxy (talk) 21:27, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

List of Serial Killers (Cases unsolved) on the run as of 2014 ( New Section)

Maybe you guys could add some recent cases for review and study for the public to review. There has to be something somewhere going on. Search some cases like the drowning's in Minn. Seems fishy. Plus many more. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.194.145.17 (talk) 02:26, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Could you list some?WikiOriginal-9 (talk)

The "incomplete list, which may never be able..." thing

I feel it is important to have it as such because this is not an 100% accurate list of things. There are many others that have articles on other language Wikipedias but not here and ones that don't have an article anywhere on Wikipedia. Many of them may not be notable enough for an article but honestly I doubt any would be deleted because people see "serial killer" and automatically assume that it's notable. I just don't want this to be seen as an 100% accurate representation of things. There is also debate about the term serial killer, like if it's two or three victims and the time needed between crimes to be called a serial killer and not spree killer or whatever. Example, Alton Coleman, some may regard him as a serial killer but others say he's a spree killer. So if anyone ever came up with an 100% verified definition of a serial killer there might be other people on the list. Of course, there's also debate about the number of victims in many cases.WikiOriginal-9 (talk)

Serial killer groups and couples

What about the Beltway snipers around the DC area? I believe they are accreted with around 17 killings around the country. Up and down the East coast and out West. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.55.93.111 (talk) 23:27, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

People say they are spree killers, They are kind of both in reality though. They were serial-spree killers, They had victims way over a month's time and had victim's in a shorter amount of time as well.WikiOriginal-9 (talk)
I added them, I see no reason why they aren't serial killers. There is no rule stating that someone cannot be both spree and serial. They fits the qualifications for both. They killed 17 people from February to October 2002. That's not just a spree. Yes, the Beltway sniper attacks was a spree but adding it with the earlier crimes then it is serial as well.WikiOriginal-9 (talk)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 May 2014

Very Idham Henyansyah

Very Idham Henyansyah (born 1 February 1978), also known as Ryan, is an Indonesian convicted serial killer.[1] Very confessed to killing 11 people and was sentenced to death by the Indonesia criminal court. Very is awaiting execution at Kesambi Penitentiary in Cirebon. He was arrested in 2008.[1]

202.62.24.120 (talk) 10:37, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Already done He is already listed under the section #Serial killers with fewer than 15 proven victims. If that was not what you intended then please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format.···Vanischenu (mc/talk) 13:55, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

ADD THE BAY HARBOR BUTCHER

|- | Dexter Morgan ||  United States || 2006 to 2013 || 37 || 190–500+ || Bloodstain pattern analyst (worked at Miami metro police department. The United States' most prolific serial killer; also known as the Bay Harbor Butcher. He almost exclusively targeted Murderers from Florida. Suspected of killing over 500 victims, confessed to 190, convicted of 78. 2A02:1811:888F:7300:ECCA:8A47:CAC5:B084 (talk) 14:45, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

 Not done you seem to be confusing fiction with reality. - Arjayay (talk) 15:03, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 July 2014

<You forgot Robert Picton, a Canadian farmer from BC who killed over 60 prostitues and fed them to his pigs.

He's at under 15 with 6 proven. You can press ctrl+f to find stuff faster WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 21:36, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Baby killer from Oulu, Finland

There's an ongoing investigation about a woman who has assumedly killed five of her newborn children. She had kept the corpses for years in the refrigerated storage of the building she lived in, and they were found shortly after she moved to a building with no such facility. It is not yet sure what comes out of the investigation and if there are more casualties, or if all of them were murders. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2648581/Mother-35-arrested-police-bodies-five-babies-Finland-basement-10-years.html

80.222.212.104 (talk) 20:13, 14 July 2014 (UTC) Jussi

Harold Shipman

Harold Shipman is listed as a serial killer on his own Wikipedia page, why is he only listed under medics and not in the main list? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nonstickst (talk • contribs) 12:18, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Because he was a doctor and medical serial killers have their own category. Not sure why but it is.--Menah the Great (talk) 00:33, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Jack the what?

Jack The Ripper has been renamed to Jack the stripper by some idiot. please someone change it back. thank you

6/29/2014

That's actually a different entry WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 03:14, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
Jack the Stripper is a real serial killer from the 1960s. Jack the Ripper is in the list of serial killers before 1900 subarticle.--Menah the Great (talk) 00:47, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Belle Gunness

Can we consider the 42 killings attributed to Belle Gunness by Ray Lamphere her accepted number of victims? If so, she'd be one of the most prolific non-medical serial killers ever. And certainly the deadliest woman in the 20th century.--Menah the Great (talk) 00:51, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Belle Gunness listed twice

Here is the version of the page with both [3]. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 20:49, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Domenico Antonio Mancuso Hoyos

In these days Colombian drug lord and right-wing paramilitary chief Domenico Antonio Mancuso Hoyos has been arrested in Italy. He was wanted for more than 130 murders (source). Shall we add him to the list? --Martin Mystère (talk) 18:00, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Only if an English Wikipedia article on Mancuso exists or is created first.--Menah the Great (talk) 13:31, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
OK, but in this article there are The Hernández Brothers Sect and José Pedro Guedes, and the articles about them don't exist. --Martin Mystère (talk) 16:44, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
Actually, there never has been a rule about having to have an article. I just moved the one's that didn't to a user page a couple months ago. Also the Hernandez Sect is now linked and Guedes is discussed in the Lisbon ripper article that's linked on his notes. Also, I do not think that we include like gang or drug related killings. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 17:57, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
You're right, thanks. --Martin Mystère (talk) 18:51, 16 August 2014 (UTC)


Kira like this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.44.42.97 (talk) 17:13, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 August 2014

Request to remove the word 'male' from infront of each reference to 'male' nurse. Political correctness dictates that gender should not be specified for men and disregarded for women in the case of nurses, as with any other profession. It is also redundant in a list where gender can be identified by the name of the individual. Either refer to all nurses as female nurse or male nurse or remove gender from the description. Kaetor (talk) 01:14, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Done I have removed the "female", someone else had already removed the "male" Cannolis (talk) 13:31, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 September 2014

The Zodiac Killer's period of activity was 1968 - 1974. In 1968 he committed his first proven murder and in 1974 he wrote his last official letter.

Doc zia (talk) 09:26, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to any article. - Arjayay (talk) 12:21, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 October 2014

Missing in the LIST, MAX GUFLER Austria 4 convicted women murders and but possible up to 18.

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Gufler

Alfred Hoeld a.hoeld@yahoo.de

27.55.219.115 (talk) 16:42, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Done. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 19:35, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 May 2014

98.217.95.36 (talk) 00:56, 27 May 2014 (UTC) you forgot to add one serial killer who probably beat the one on the top of the list, some one who has killed so many people but for different reasons then most serial killers have killed for. and that is "Richard Kuklinski" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Kuklinski Richard Leonard "The Iceman" Kuklinski


Kuklinski took part in a number of interviews during which he claimed to have murdered from over 100[3] to 250 men (his recollections varied) between 1948 and 1986. Three documentaries, two biographies and a feature film have been produced on Kuklinski based on his interviews and the results of the task force that brought Kuklinski to justice. His claims have not been substantiated and crime family members dispute his role in any contract killings

Not done for now: How many proven victims are there? Which category would he go under? Please be very clear in where and how you want this added and provide reliable sources for the proven victim count. Thank you. — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 14:08, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Where is Anders Behring Breivik?

I think killing 77 people qualifies Anders Behring Breivik for this list, or isn't he a a serial killer, rather a terrorist? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.231.37.88 (talk) 13:35, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

This individual is not a serial killer. He is a mass murderer/spree killer. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 13:50, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 November 2014

National Socialist Underground,group of German neo-nazis who,in the period between 2000 and 2007,killed 10 people in what is known as the Bosphorus serial murders. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Underground http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosphorus_serial_murders 87.246.57.239 (talk) 14:36, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

 Not done: a serial killer is a single person who commits three or more murders. This is a group, so therefore ineligible. G S Palmer (talk • contribs) 15:29, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 November 2014

National Socialist Underground,group of German neo-nazis who,in the period between 2000 and 2007,killed 10 people in what is known as the Bosphorus serial murders. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Underground http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosphorus_serial_murders 87.246.57.239 (talk) 14:36, 14 November 2014 (UTC) There is a section about groups of serial killers. 87.246.57.239 (talk) 16:24, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

Fair enough,  Done: [4]. G S Palmer (talk • contribs) 17:10, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

82.69.112.161 (talk) 02:32, 17 November 2014 (UTC)Angus Sinclair

What about Angus Sinclair? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World%27s_End_Murders)

We have people on this list who have only killed two people, likely because their crimes are unusual, but normally the minimum is three murders. Also, the article you listed took place in less than a month. The article serial killer says "over a period of more than a month, with down time (a "cooling off period") between the murders". This person may be more of a spree killer. It also looks like the two victims were killed at the same time. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 16:00, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Steven Massof

I suggest removing Steven Massof on the principle that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Do a web search on his name. This is the worst mass murderer in the US, and nobody noticed? 88.112.50.121 (talk) 02:01, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 03:18, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
I thought Wikipedia rules state that unsourced (or in this case poorly sourced) material is inadmissible. Does this not apply to edit protected pages, and one editor can simply veto such deletions?
Okay then, let's try consensus. Can anyone find genuine reliable sources that describe this guy as the absolutely worst mass murderer in US history? 88.112.50.121 (talk) 02:03, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 December 2014

Ainsworthfitch (talk) 19:56, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

no request Cannolis (talk) 20:33, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 December 2014

Jack The Stripper should read Jack The Ripper Carborulz (talk) 04:07, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Not done: Jack the Stripper is correct. — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 06:25, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Where the heck is Herman Webster Mudgett ?!!!

Where the heck is Herman Webster Mudgett ?!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.73.12.10 (talk) 00:21, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

If you actually read the article, you would find List of serial killers before 1900. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 00:27, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Medical professionals etc.

This topic was briefly discussed earlier, but I'd like to revisit it.

What is the justification for having a separate section for medical professionals etc.? The article itself defines a serial killer as a multiple murderer, with no distinction made for medical professionals, so why are we making such a distinction. I'd suggest that we merge that list in with the main lists. Guinness2702 (talk) 10:08, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

I said before that the term "serial killers" is objective. It doesn't judge the morality or motives, and thus medical professionals should be included in the main list, even if there might be a case for some of their killings being categorised as "mercy killings". I have no idea why there is a separate list for couples. The lists should be merged. DavidFarmbrough (talk) 13:08, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Number of victims mistake

Page is protected, can't edit myself. But in "Serial killers with 30 victims or fewer" header, "at least 15 proven victims" is mentioned, numbers don't match. Semplar (talk) 11:53, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 February 2015

There are 2 errors on in this article specifically regarding the paragraph and citation listed for serial killer Pedro Lopez.

First Issue: Inaccurate Citation. The reference cited for the information on Pedro Lopez (currently reference #4 on the page) is cited as "All About Pedro Lopez, David Lorh", which is not the title of the article linked. The link actually leads to an article titled "Horrid Revelations - Pedro Lopez: The Monster of The Andes" at a website called "crimelibrary" (http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/notorious/pedro_lopez/4.html). The author cited, David Lorh, is correct.

Second Issue: Misinformation. Regarding serial killer Pedro Lopez, this article states, "Though he may be the most prolific serial killer of the 20th century, he was released in 1998. Current whereabouts unknown." This is an egregious error. The reference that is linked for this alleged information does not state this. Instead, the linked reference states in Chapter 6 "As of this writing, Pedro is still in prison in Ecuador, and may get a chance for parole. However, if released he will be required to stand additional trials in Colombia and Peru."

Biography.com, which is a reputable and reliable resource, indicates the same, that Mr. Lopez was sentenced to life in prison. see here: http://www.biography.com/people/pedro-alonso-lopez-12103226#profile

There is no evidence from a RELIABLE RESOURCE that I can find online that Mr. Lopez has ever been released from prison. Please correct this article.

The only reason I caught this error was logically questioning "How could a country release from prison a serial killer who confessed to 110+ murders?" Thankfully, the article is wrong and should be updated.

Thank you, - Dwesthoff

Dwesthoff (talk) 05:39, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Not done for now: Apparently there is no consensus to make the change as it stands or the request wasn't clear enough either in what needed to be replaced, what the replacement text should be, or why it is beneficial to the encyclopedia to make the change as requested. Feel free to reopen this request when all of the criteria have been met. Thank you, — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 21:25, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Moninder Singh Pandher and Surinder Koli

They were convicted on the 12th of February 2009. The article about the 2006 Noida serial murders indicates that Moninder Singh Pandher was acquitted on the 10th of September 2009, while Surinder Koli has since been given another four(!) death sentences. Assuming that that article is correct, someone should remove Moninder Singh Pandher’s name entirely and move Surinder Koli to the appropriate table.

Sorry for having to foist this off on somebody else, I’d do the verification and edits myself had I but the time, but given my schedule it’s a certainty that I’ll forget all about this before I get the opportunity. –Xoid 17:55, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

Tommy Lynn Sells

His victim count has been confirmed to be at least 22. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:89:4000:D2E7:9D13:F2F9:E10F:39B2 (talk) 05:57, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

Kermit Gosnell

Should he be included? --41.151.3.155 (talk) 20:11, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

H.H. Holems

Should be included, since he has 9–200+ Victims (9 confirmed, 27 confessed, over 200 estimated) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.18.210.70 (talk) 17:41, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

See List of serial killers before 1900. It is at the top of the current article too. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 17:45, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 August 2015

2602:306:8052:1B90:7C2C:9EDB:8CCE:3534 (talk) 10:10, 17 August 2015 (UTC) joel rifkin. united states. 17 confirmed murders. very popular and well known serial killer. i was surprised he wasnt listed.

Already done He is already listed under the Serial killers with fewer than 15 proven victims. Per his own Wikipedia page, he has 9 proven murders with up to 17 possible. Cannolis (talk) 12:15, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 August 2015

70.162.136.50 (talk) 06:29, 19 August 2015 (UTC) I did not find Richard Speck who killed 8 nursing girls in Chicago in the 1960's on this list. He belongs on the list.

70.162.136.50 (talk) 06:29, 19 August 2015 (UTC) Source WWikipedia

Not done: - Richard Speck was a mass murderer, not a serial killer. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 14:31, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 September 2015

Harold Shipman needs adding to this list, he's killed over 250+ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.132.228.137 (talk) 23:20, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

He's on the list "Medical". WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 23:22, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Ronald Gene Simmons and Marcus Wesson

How about those two? The first one killed 16 people and was executed by lethal injection. The second one killed 9 people and is currently on death row. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.235.245.16 (talk) 20:06, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

They're spree killers, a week isn't long enough to meet the serial killer criteria. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 20:08, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

Edit request on October 1 2015

Cody Legebokoff's section says that he is accused of committing four murders from 2009 to 2010. However, considering that he has been convicted (Source: http://www.princegeorgecitizen.com/news/legebokoff-trial/legebokoff-guilty-1.1353904) and sentenced (Source: http://www.vancouversun.com/touch/story.html?id=10208581), shouldn't the article say that he did commit the murders rather than that he is accused of committing them? Also, about the Walter E. Ellis-section: Clicking on his name on the part that links to his article on the left side of this article links to the "Milwaukee North Side Strangler"-article, which redirects to the "Walter E. Ellis"-article anyway. Wouldn't it be better if his name in this article linked directly to the Walter E. Ellis-article rather than redirecting from Milwaukee North Side Strangler? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.23.43.88 (talk) 14:23, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

 Done. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 17:37, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 October 2015

Harold Shipman 250 victims 124.150.41.9 (talk) 05:53, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

124.150.41.9, Shipman is already on the list. Cheers! ...Checkingfax ( Talk ) 07:50, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

Edit request on October 15 2015

Kendall Francois' section says that he denies involvement with the disappearance of a ninth prostitute. However, considering that he has died (Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/13/nyregion/man-who-dismembered-eight-women-in-the-90s-dies-in-prison.html?ref=topics&_r=0), Shouldn't his section say that he denied involvement with the disappearance of a ninth prostitute (i.e: past tense)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.23.43.88 (talk) 19:21, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

Should Richard Kuklinski a.k.a. the Iceman, not be included in this list ?

Let me start with a link to his Wikipedia entry :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Kuklinski

I mean yes, he was a Mafia Hitman, but I would argue he belongs on this list. First and foremost did he start killing for fun and pleasure long before he ever became a contract killer. In his interviews he does admit that killing was way more to him then a profession, it was a part of him. He loved the thrill of the hunt most of all, stalking his victims, the feeling of power etc.etc. if you listen to his interviews and listen to the interviews of other serial killers, there are just way too many commonalities. I am convinced that he simply found the perfect gig for a serial killer, and made his hobby his main profession. He also clearly admit the urge to kill that all serial killers have. I freely admit it is a strange case, but we should at least consider including him here, and he would earn a quite prolific spot btw, with well over 100 kills which he admitted to professionally, and dozens more for sports, to have something to do, to try something out, or simply because he was insulted/slighted by someone. One more point really speaking for him being on that list : at one point in his career he could no longer work as an assassin for Roy DeMeo, his mafia employer basically. But he simply could not stop, he had to keep killing. For a while he just killed for sports, then found again employment. He NEEDED this ! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Feyn137 (talk • contribs) 04:30, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

He's on the list, please press ctrl+f and type in his name to easily find it so you can save time by not having to writing all of this. This has been asked several times in the past. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 15:17, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 October 2015

please change the victims to they`re names in the upper right hand section: Unknown (5 canonical). this "fact" is wrong the victims do have names so please list them

Nate.ricker (talk) 23:27, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

Not done for now: I'm not sure who you're referring to. Which serial killer? Stickee (talk) 23:50, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 November 2015

173.180.61.14 (talk) 08:39, 1 November 2015 (UTC) Richard Kuklinski over 100 to possibly 200+ murders

He's on the list. People ask this everyday. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 14:28, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

Why most of them are American?

What is the social cause? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E35:8A8D:FE80:CC5B:3CEF:3CCA:A6C (talk) 02:22, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

I believe most of the SKs here are not American, perhaps around 43% are American. This was my method:
1) I right-clicked on the main page, clicked View Source to get the source HTML code, then I copied the entire page into OpenOffice Writer
2) I batch replaced the text title="United States">United States, which appears once in each US SK's section and in only one or two other places. Writer told me it had made 265 replacements.
3) I batch-replaced td><a href="/wiki/ and Writer told me it had made 613 replacements (the text only appears in the page in association with linking to the main page for each individual SK, and virtually all the SKs appear to have their own page). So USA seems to make up around 265 out of 613 SKs on the page, a crude estimate that perhaps could be bettered by other techniques.
As for why USA with around 5% of the world's population has around 43% of this page's serial killers, I put this down to 1) the known US-centric nature of Wikipedia, leading to more Americans being talked about in general by default; 2) USA's high level of media reporting about SKs leading to more of them being known about; 3) USA's advanced police investigations into SKs leading to more being discovered. Many nations don't have the police resources to identify serial killers as often as Western natons do, leading to over-representation of USA and other Western nations in this type of page.David191912921912291 (talk) 12:33, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

About Charles Cullen's section

Charles Cullen's section lists 18-29 as his proven victims, but his "Miscellaneous information" says that he murdered at least 29 patients. If he murdered at least 29 patients, why does his section then list 18-29 as his proven victims? Shouldn't it list his proven victims as at least 29? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.23.43.88 (talk) 20:52, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 21 January 2016

Czech Republic - Petr Kramný - 2 victims (Wife and daughter) in 2013. Sentenced to 28 years of prison in January 2016. 188.175.191.210 (talk) 08:57, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

 Not done - we don't have an article on Petr Kramný and even if we did have the article starts "A serial killer is a person who murders three or more people, in two or more separate events" so 2 victims is insufficient. - Arjayay (talk) 17:52, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
Arjayay, although some definitions of "serial killer" include at least two murders, as stated in the lead of the Serial killer article, I agree with you not granting the IP's wish. There is more to serial killing than just the number of bodies, and that is also made clear in the Serial killer article. A person can have murdered three people, such as due to a gang affiliation, and still not be a serial killer. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 22:26, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 January 2016

Please add Albert Fish, since he was a serial killer with at least 3 confirmed victims. 67.3.169.176 (talk) 14:49, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Already done He's listed under the "Serial killers with fewer than 5 proven victims" section Cannolis (talk) 15:10, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

donald harvey higher than ted bundy

Even wiki claims 37-51, he confessed to 81, numbers were 100 or higher according to FBI, but lacked evidence. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Harvey 

Mycool69 (talk) 19:08, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

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About Ali Kaya's section

Ali Kaya's section says that he is currently on the run and cites this (www.hurriyet.com.tr/gundem/25504130.asp) as its source. However, Ali Kaya's article both mentions that escape and cites that same source for that claim, but also says that he was subsequently captured and cites this (http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/serial-murderer-nicknamed-baby-faced-killer-escapes-from-prison-in-gaziantep.aspx?pageID=238&nID=60612&NewsCatID=341) and this (www.hurriyet.com.tr/gundem/25931349.asp) as sources for that claim. So shouldn't this article also mention that he was captured rather than say that he is "currently on the run"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.167.173.189 (talk) 00:55, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

You are correct. I have updated the information and the referance. Mingus79 (talk) 12:27, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 February 2016

There was a Swedish Serial killer active in the 70's that i thought you should add In swedish: https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morden_p%C3%A5_Malm%C3%B6_%C3%96stra_Sjukhus In english https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malm%C3%B6_%C3%96stra_hospital_murders Joachimvemm (talk) 19:55, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

Not done: This is already on the list. RudolfRed (talk) 21:23, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

The Manchester Canal Serial Killer?

?????????????Thursby16 (talk) 23:07, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

It isn't known if such a person even exists or whether all the people who drowned fell in while plastered. So no we can't add the person. Evern if they did exist the perpetrator is unknown, so no info about number of victims.--82.19.19.125 (talk) 11:02, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 April 2016

Delfina & María de Jesús González should be changed to Delfina and María de Jesús González, because 'and' is preferred over an ampersand (see MOS:AMP). Purrshtalk 15:29, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

 Done and another redirect as well - Arjayay (talk) 16:00, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Albert Fish and H.H. Holmes?

Two US American Serial Killers with a high number of victims are not mention Albert Fish and H.H. Holmes. Albert Fish perhabs killed 116 people and H.H. Holmes maybe killed 200 people.--Jonathan Cornwall (talk) 17:38, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

Albert Fish is mentioned within the "Serial killers with fewer than 5 proven victims"-section and H.H. Holmes is not mentioned in this article because, as it says at the top of this article, "This list does not include serial killers before the year 1900". H.H. Holmes is mentioned within the "List of serial killers before 1900"-article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.167.173.189 (talk) 21:36, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

The number of the possible victims of Albert Fish are much higher than only 9.--141.19.228.15 (talk) 18:38, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
Citation needed.--Menah the Great (talk) 07:33, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

Edit request on June 5 2016

Michael Madison's section says (at the time of this writing) "Suspected American serial killer from East Cleveland, Ohio who is currently being held in custody as a suspect in at least three murders". However, considering that he has been convicted (Source: [5]) and sentenced (Source: [6]), shouldn't his section say that he is a serial killer (rather than a "suspected serial killer") and that he did commit the murders (rather than that he is "currently being held in custody as a suspect in at least three murders")? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.111.69.45 (talk) 18:58, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 July 2016


The S167889101726 (talk) 16:37, 7 July 2016 (UTC) Moses Sithole was sentenced to 78 years not 2140...

No references used.

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.  B E C K Y S A Y L E S  18:21, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

Non-medical?

The intro to the list says they must be "non-medical". The highest entry is Harold Shipman (a medical doctor). One of these has to go. Which? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.136.136.137 (talk) 06:03, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

Jake Hill

The information isn't given in a proper sentence. It states "eleven were substantiated and he suspected in the rest". Someone needs to fix it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.127.225.170 (talk) 21:11, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

Javed Iqbal, 26 children

Javed Iqbal's note says that 26 children were found alive, but I can't found it in the source(crime library). Where is it written? I just overlooked? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2402:6B00:3885:1700:705A:4B75:AFF5:E8C6 (talk) 19:42, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

Sid Ahmed Rezala

Please add Sid Ahmed Rezala, a French serial killer. Thank you.--Sar13579 (talk) 10:17, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

Marcus Vyrax

Marcus Vyrax, Also known as the Madrigal Vampire. Originating from Amadora in portugal. He killed almost 40 people, in the early 17s. He usually found random people at night, luring them in dark alleys, while singing and then he proceeded to bleed them out in the same dark alley. His modus operandi changed a couple of time, and it's also the reason he didn't got caught earlier. He was often described as a long blond haired man, wearing really small round glasses, and a long dark reddish coat. Usually wearing nothing on his feet. He also used to bleed his target with a small dagger, some story say that he used to call this dagger love. 74.59.50.45 (talk) 03:33, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cannolis (talk) 00:07, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

Add Hilary Clinton

Can we add Hilary Clinton since she has had people killed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.85.167.17 (talk) 03:55, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Even if you can find content that satisfies WP:VERIFY and doesn't just come from a pundit's conspiracy theories, "[having] people killed" does not make someone a serial killer. LostCause231 (talk) 12:55, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 September 2016

What about Wikipedia's own page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Arthur_massacre_(Australia) 121.208.95.68 (talk) 05:10, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Not done: "in two or more separate events over a period of time": Doesn't satisfy this criterion. Stickee (talk) 05:45, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

José Ramos, the killer from arvoredo street

Happened in 1864 in Porto Alegre, Rio Grande do Sul state in Brazil, a killer with the help of his wife, responsible for the killing of 87 people and he used to make sausages from the bodies and sell to a huge market making 50% of the population of Porto Alegre city canibals.


https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimes_da_Rua_do_Arvoredo

here's a link to him, if you need help with the translations from portuguese to english, i can help with that.

thank you.

  1. ^ [www.murderuk.com/serial_dr_harold_shipman.html "Murder in the UK"]. {{cite web}}: Check |url= value (help)
  2. ^ http://http://www.crimeandinvestigation.co.uk/crime-files/harold-shipman/biography.html;jsessionid=D1FC3DA35102A7423DC75B972470CB40. {{cite web}}: Check |url= value (help); Missing or empty |title= (help)
  3. ^ http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://www.semana.com/on-line/aumenta-explotacion-abuso-sexual-ninos-colombia/104535-3.aspx&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dabuso%2Binfantil%2Ben%2BColombia%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DE9v%26tbo%3Dd%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official&sa=X&ei=c6C1UMLxGo629gS6voEw&ved=0CEcQ7gEwAg
  4. ^ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_killer#Development
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