Talk:Lloyd Alexander

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Hobbies[edit]

What are Lloyd's hobbies?
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.233.142.154 17:21 (talk • contribs) 9 February 2007‎ (UTC)

wikiquote[edit]

Could we get some wikiquotes? Mathiastck 18:08, 18 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How about this: "After all, how can we afford to be less than our dreams?" --Alabamaboy 19:50, 18 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
er, I should add that the quote is from Alexander, not me :-).--Alabamaboy 19:56, 18 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rating[edit]

Looks like a pretty good article to me. I don't feel confident in assigning a rating though. Capitalistroadster 00:37, 19 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In my opinion the B is reasonable, although many better ones need upgrade to B in my opinion. --P64 (talk) 23:59, 16 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Passing of Lloyd Alexander[edit]

I didn't want to believe the news of his death, and had to check it against other sources. I'm really sorry to see him go. I had always suspected he saw himself as Fflewddur Fflam. My son wrote him to ask him flat-out whether I were right. LA wrote back to my son: "Your father is right about the bard and his author!" He will be missed. To quote Alexander from The High King,

"Yet long afterward, when all had passed away into distant memory...only the bards knew the truth..." Xenophon777 03:00, 22 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
ITA. RIP Mr. Alexander. You are my favorite author. Vesperholly 08:40, 23 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'm saddened to learn of the death of Lloyd Alexander. His books brought me great enjoyment when I was little, and taught me many things. Just recently I decided to revisit his stories, including those I had never read. Even as an adult I find marvelous entertainment, humor, sadness and wisdom in these children's stories. The man was a dreamer and a poet, and the world is greyer for his passing, though he lives on in the tales he told. RIP Lloyd Alexander. Snarkibartfast 14:02, 29 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I just decided to re-read the Chronicles of Prydain, and was thinking I really ought to write to Mr Alexander before it's too late-- and here I find out that he's just passed away. :( I'm so deeply saddened. Thank you, Xenophon, for sharing that little story about writing to him-- I'd wondered about Fflewddur, too! I'm glad to know that Lloyd still lives on in the spiky-haired bard. RIP, Lloyd Alexander, and thank you for your wonderful stories which have meant so much to me for so many years. 71.134.252.124 23:09, 31 May 2007 (UTC)Dora M.[reply]

Cole and His White Pig[edit]

Don't forget this little gem of a book. 69.19.14.20 13:31, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

American Book Award[edit]

Should the reference to the American Book Award stay as is? From 1980 to 1986 the National Book Award was called the American Book Award. The award currently known as the American Book Award from the Before Columbus Foundation (and linked to from the article) never awarded anything to Westmark. Westmark won an American Book Award, but that award is again known as the National Book Award. I removed the reference once, but someone else re-added it and I don't want to get into an edit war. Suffice to say that the current reference to the American Book Award is misleading. TheKingRat (talk) 03:45, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, they aren't the same award. I don't know where you got that information but the NBA (1950) was founded three decades before the ABA (founded 1978). So the idea that the ABA is now the NBA is kind of rediculous. They are two seperate awards and always have been.Nrswanson (talk) 05:33, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Didn't say that the ABA is now the NBA. The NBA was the NBA from 1950 to 1979. From 1980 to 1987 they were the American Book Awards. Then they were renamed back to the National Book Awards in 1988 with the formation of the National Book Foundation. See National Book Award about us page, scroll down to the 4th paragraph that starts with "In 1980". If you look at the List of winners of the National Book Award in 1982, lo and behold, Westmark won a NBA in 1982 (when it was known as an American Book Award). The listing of winners of the American Book Award (the Before Columbus Founation version) for 1982 does not list Westmark. TheKingRat (talk) 06:47, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hmmm... it that is the case we might consider merging them into one article as to avoid confusion.Nrswanson (talk) 07:04, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've made the change in this article. However, I would strongly suggest adding this info the both the National Book Award and American Book Award articles. Thanks for explaining all this. Best,--SouthernNights (talk) 23:11, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've actually discovered that there are two different American Book Awards by two different organizations. See Talk:American Book Award.Nrswanson (talk) 06:20, 20 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Links[edit]

Joanna (yesterday's editor),

I am not familiar with linked persondata, nor with the use of persondata.
Thanks for {{official}}.
I have wondered about The Chronicles of Prydain, the titles of six Prydain books, and the names of characters or elements of the Prydain universe. How often should they be linked in articles where they are repeated? Including the infoboxen: should everything linked from the Infobox also be linked once from the article? The latter terms commonly include such as USA/America(n), Pennyslvania, Holt, Children's literature, Fantasy, Novel. --P64 (talk) 19:01, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Linking within persondata is not necessary, but can be done. I leave it sometimes, other times, I take it out, especially if there's not an article there to be linked. See WP:PERSON for more info about that.
As for overlinking/repeat linking, See WP:MOSLINK. It gives the style guide for wikilinking.
Basic rule of thumb, wikilinks can appear in infobox and then also generally only needed once in the article proper (unless the article runs on a really long time, then you can link it again further on down the page). I'd only link them once, then if anyone else things they needed to be wikilinked lower down on the page, they could wikilink them later. Thank you. -- JoannaSerah (talk) 19:34, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Translations[edit]

In front endpapers of The Iron Ring (novel) (1997 first ed.) publisher Dutton lists four translations among the "Books by Lloyd Alexander" (all publishers)

Nausea, by Jean-Paul Sartre
The Wall, by Sartre
The Sea Rose, by Paul Vialar (List of French language authors#1890-1899)
Uninterrupted Poetry, by Paul Éluard

--P64 (talk) 19:24, 27 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I had seen something similar to that before, but just haven't been able to find it again to reference. Good find. I don't know if that would be considered a reliable source or not, but have no objection to putting it in. If anyone else objects, we can just try to hunt another source down again. Will keep an eye out for anything as well. -- JoannaSerah (talk) 02:57, 28 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Just to note, my copy of Fifty Years in the Doghouse (1964 ed.) shows Paul Eluard: Selected Writings. I think I have seen it listed as Uninterrupted Poetry at different places online. Perhaps one is a subtitle? or else, it was renamed in subsequent editions, kind of like it appears that Nausea was done. Most every place I look says Nausea, but I have seen it listed as The Diary of Antoine Roquentin and the article currently lists it as Diary.... Thank you. -- JoannaSerah (talk) 03:47, 28 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Subtitles[edit]

I suspect there is often no fact of the matter regarding subtitles. Authors and continuing publishers may vary their usage regarding "T", "T:S", and even "S:T" (where T and S are title and subtitle), not to mention database compilers and new publishers. Certainly the listings in endpapers of an author's other works are unreliable in this. Perhaps in USA a publisher officially gives either "T" or "T:S" as the title when it files with the Library of Congress?

Now I am looking at the first edition of Alexander's Sebastian (Dutton, 1970). The title page gives "The Marvelous Misadventures of Sebastian" in large size and "A Grand Extravaganza, Including a Performance by the Entire Cast of the Gallimaufry-Theatricus" small size. The first expanded edition of the Prydain short stories (Dutton, 1999) title page gives "The Foundling" large; "and Other Tales of Prydain" small.
For me now, google august bondi border hawk returns three "August Bondi: Border Hawk" and six "Border Hawk: August Bondi" on the first page of ten hits, while border hawk august bondi returns one AB:BH and eight BH:AB. The cover shows Border Hawk first and smaller, August Bondi second and larger. --P64 (talk) 20:16, 28 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Resources[edit]

As I post "more listings", six weeks after the first of these five items, I collect them under a common heading --P64

Scholastic interview[edit]

Lloyd Alexander Interview Transcript (1999)[interview date evidently 1999-01-26: "I will be 75 in another four days"]. Interview with Scholastic students. Scholastic Inc.

It's a long interview with multiple exchanges on Prydain, Westmark, Time Cat, and general matters. Some other stories are mentioned once. --P64 (talk) 20:38, 17 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

References[edit]

Struggle to provide very specific references has great impact on phrasing. --P64 (talk) 01:55, 23 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, that's typical for most things on Wikipedia. Just the nature of the beast. I have started to delve into this article before as well, but keep getting side-tracked. My only suggestion is to be BOLD and write something you think is correct. Others will change the article/reference if they oppose it or think it could be worded better. Not to say that you should just put anything in you want, but go ahead and try to improve the article. I'll see if I can find any other sources as well. Thank you. -- JoannaSerah (talk) 05:58, 23 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the encouragement. Here I will note a few points that are not supported by the sources I am able to consult, nor clearly sourced by the given references (some of which are deadlinks). So far I have retained "Looking for adventure,". --with some discomfort. He looked for adventure in WWII service? Could he leave Haverford and avoid service? The current implication that he selected either combat intelligence or training in Wales for adventure owes to my clumsy writing.

  • (list anticipated but may be impossible before -12-27 or so) --P64 (talk) 18:50, 23 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that the looking for adventure statement sounds strange. I always thought it might have been tongue-in-cheek, but couldn't really say. I mean, I suppose that some people actually do go to war "looking for adventure". Along the same lines, I started looking into his military service and found this: "Electronic Army Serial Number Merged File, ca. 1938 - 1946". Access to Archival Databases. The U.S. National Archives and Records Administration. Retrieved 23 December 2011. Not sure how it could be used in the article, but wanted to post it for possible reference. But take heart, you've done pretty well editing it and other LA books so far, it appears. -- JoannaSerah (talk) 20:18, 23 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I have rewritten the leads at Westmark (novel), The Kestrel, The Beggar Queen (and tweaked Infoboxes, articles now Start class); and inserted in the former a new section, Series. All three include complete references to two reviews that may be useful here. --P64 (talk) 21:32, 23 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The official site at Henry Holt Books for Young Readers presently includes a short Q&A about The Golden Dream, his last book.[1] --P64 (talk) 17:24, 24 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Another possible reference found through a Google archives search, although, not extremely fact-filled, it is interesting: Tivy, Patrick (13 September 1979). "The human being amid the bookshelves". The Calgary Herald. Retrieved 28 December 2011.
  • I added a paragraph about his being author-in-residence at Temple University. The reference for the quote has other information that might be useful. Both for this and possibly for the Prydain series. I took from an article Alexander wrote, but immediately following his article is an article by the book's editor Helen Painter which is a bio.
Painter, Helen W., ed. (1971). Reaching Children and Young People Through Literature (PDF). Newark, DE: International Reading Associaton. p. 19-29. Retrieved 29 December 2011.
I'm going to see if I can work any of that in as well. -- JoannaSerah (talk) 16:14, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Author's notes, About the author[edit]

So far I have compared 1973 first and 1999 expanded editions of The Foundling and Other Tales of Prydain. The preface or "Author's Note" is not revised; only edited to eliminate all semicolons and many commas, with corresponding tweaks in helper words such as "so" and "and". Substantially, the expanded Henry Holt editions (hard 1999, paper 2006) have the original Author's Note.

There are minor differences "About the author" ([p88] untitled in 1973). --P64 (talk) 19:01, 23 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Quid plura? reviews[edit]

quote: "Quid plura?" is the blog of Jeff Sypeck, a writer in Washington, D.C.

Sypeck review of Border Hawk, "the latest in an ongoing series of reviews of all of Lloyd Alexander's non-Prydain books." ... In closing, "Adults who grew up reading Lloyd Alexander will find Border Hawk a revelation, not only because the author handles non-mythological subject matter so deftly, but because the book shows that the heroes of Prydain and Westmark have Jewish-American roots."

By the way he calls Border Hawk "fictionalized biography" and "Alexander's first book for children".

This is a serious review. Just now I can't investigate the series further. --P64 (talk) 20:16, 28 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

more listings[edit]

  • Fox, Margalit. Lloyd Alexander, Author of Fantasy Novels, Is Dead at 83. New York Times 19 May 2007: C10.

Influenced: Cassandra Clare[edit]

Pursuing the {{dead link}} at Internet Archive i find no mention of Lloyd Alexander. One of many archived pages, and not the one we cite, is Cassandra Clare Revealed (at S&S, via IA). Alexander doesn't make her five favorite authors or five favorite books, favorite fict. hero or villain, nor any allusion. There is no clear ID of influences.

Another editor may be happy to poke around that archive or poke around Cassandra Clare at S&S (current).

--P64 (talk) 01:43, 19 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Jewish ancestry[edit]

Alexander's father was Jewish. His birth was registered with the Amalgamated Jewish Congregation of Kingston, Jamaica. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.178.29.81 (talk) 20:14, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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