Talk:Llywelyn

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Origin[edit]

i always thought llewellyn meens lionsoul (llew =lion and ellyn= soul)

But the name is very old, and I don't think lions lived in Wales in the middle ages. Neil ╦ 14:41, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Worldwide?[edit]

Llewellyn includes "Llewellyn Publications". Would it be ok to change that to "Llewellyn Worldwide"? (since "Llewellyn Worldwide" is company name used at llewellyn.com) --EarthFurst 23:35, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, good catch. I haven't started that article yet, but LP can just be a redirect. -- nae'blis 19:06, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Llewellyn versus Llewelyn[edit]

The content of this article is reproduced in Llywelyn. Since the latter form is used throughout this article (which calls Llewellyn a bastardisation!) and since that is also the form used by the majority of individuals linked to in this article, I suggest making this article a redirect. garik 18:20, 10 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Personally, I would use the terms bastardization or blasphemization if the spelling was altered to created what was a less positive meaning than the original - and everything else an "acquired" meaning/definition/etymology. The person seems to be using the term for anything which makes the name less pure than the original (because the "ll" has a much different sound than "l" - one online source compared "ll" to the "cl/hl" sound we associate with hludwig).

Llewelyn seems to be the earlier form and llewellyn the modern one. Besides being the welsh form of lugobelenus (llew/Lleu the welsh form of Lug, lugh) and Belyn short for Belenus) - it has other possible etymologies. It could be that llewelyn is the welsh form of the name lugubelenus/lugobelinos just like Lewis/Louis are sometimes used as the english forms of llewelyn - or that it is what gave us the name llewelyn to begin with - or some combination of the two. Would feel better if there were more intermediate forms.

working on the various definitions for lugubelenus/lugobelinos.

LEADER - / - llewellyn=(orig) leader likeness, leader image, (later) ruling, ruler, leader, prince, (later) famous warrior, famed warrior, son of louis; - / - llewellyn (from) llewelyn (from) llywelyn (from) llyw eilyn, llyw eilun=(orig) steerer image, (later) leader image, leader likness, (later) leader, prince, mighty ruler, (later) like a lion, lion; / - llewelyn=(orig) leader likeness, leader image, (later) leader, ruler, prince, mighty ruler, (later) famous warrior; - (llyw) – llyw(wlsh)=(orig) helm, rudder, steering wheel, (later) leader, chieftain, steerer, ruler, prince, (later) lugus’s epithet, (later) lion; [see (lleu/lugh) in Name Elements]; - (eilun) - eilyn= image, likeness; - / - eilyn (from) eilun=image, form, shape, idol, icon, likeness; LION - / - llewellyn=(orig) lion likeness, (later) in the likeness of a lion, like a lion, lionlike, lion-like friend, lion; - / - llewellyn (from) llewelyn (from) lleweilyn (from) llew eilyn, llew eilun=lion likeness; - / - llewelyn=(orig) lion likeness, (later) in the likeness of a lion, like a lion, lionlike, lion-like friend;

- (lleu/lugh) - llew, lleu=(orig) light, lighted, bright, brightness, shining, (later) fair one, shining one, (later) lion; - / - llew (from) lleu (wlsh) (from) lugh (Ir) (from) lug (OI) (from) lugus (gaul) (from) lugos (from) luhs (OHG)=(org) shine, sparkle, sparkling, (later) lynx; - / - lugos=lynx; - / - lugus(gaul/celt)=(orig) bright, light, lightining, lightening flash, upsetting power, (later) shining one, (later) lynx; - / - lug=(orig) burn, enflame, (later) light, white, brilliant, brightness, lightning flash, (later) shining one, the shining one, (later) lynx; - / - lugh=(orig) light, bright, brightness, shining, (later) lynx; - / - lugh (from) loch, luach (OI)=bright, radiant, splendid, shining, glowing white, light; - / - lynx=cunning, vigilance, alertness, knowing smile; - / - lleu (wlsh) (from) llug (owlsh) (from) logi (ON) (from) loug, lauc (OHG)=fire, flame, blaze; - / - logi=(orig) flame, blaze, fire, flames, wildfire, (later) personification of fire, (later) norse fire giant who beat loki in eating contest; - / - llug (owlsh)=(orig) to throw, to dart, to break forth, (later) light, bright, gleam, glimmer, shining, dawning, blotch, (later) eyesight, perception; [see (lleu/lugh) in Name Elements]; (SHORT VERSION) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.77.37.48 (talk) 17:04, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a "standard" barbarized pronunciation? I mean, how do bearers of the name who don't do the hiss pronounce it, [lɛˈwɛlɪn]?--87.162.49.244 (talk) 12:19, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Split or merge to Llewellyn[edit]

There's far more articles for Llewellyn than Llywelyn and other spelling variants have their own articles rather than being lumped or redirected here, such as Llewellin.