Talk:Lochaber

Committee area as article subject

I note the article is defined currently as being primarily about a Highland Council committee area, which seems to be a somewhat emphemeral concept, unlikely to survive long in its current form. I understand these committee areas have no legislative definition and are purely Highland Council inventions, defined in terms of lists of wards. The council can not control the development of ward boundaries and the relevant Boundaries Commision is not constrained to respect committee area boundaries. Boundaries are expected to change dramatically in 2007 (to create new multi-member wards). Therefore committee areas are likely to have then quite different shapes, and perhaps also different names. Seems to me it would be better to focus on the historic district. Laurel Bush 11:09, 17 January 2006 (UTC).

Pre Highland-region Lochaber

Am I right in thinking the district created in 1975 was composed of an area of Argyll and an area of Inverness-shire? Laurel Bush 13:01, 2 February 2006 (UTC).

Originally the border between Argyll and Inverness-shire ran through Kinlochleven which meant that Kinlochleven had two police stations. The border moved to Rannoch Moor when Highland Region was formed.

Historically Ardnamurchan and Morvern were part of Argyll but I am not sure when that border moved. --jmb 11:13, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

I am seeing no mention of Argyll in the article. I am seeing a mysterious reference to some historic (pre-county) system of districts, and no link to article about this system. Laurel Bush 09:56, 15 June 2006 (UTC).

From Local Government (Scotland) Act 1973:

District	Composed of
Lochaber	In the county of Argyll—the district of Ardnamurchan; the electoral divisions of Ballachulish, Kinlochleven. In the county of Inverness—the burgh of Fort William; the district of Lochaber.

Laurel Bush 09:44, 20 July 2006 (UTC).

I would say the page on the Local Goverment Act is poorly written though might well be copied from an official document. It defines the "District" of Lochaber (meaning presumably the old Lochaber District Council and modern Lochaber Council area) as including the "district" of Lochaber (presumably meaning the historic area of Lochaber). This seems very ambiguous to me. The old District Council area and present Lochaber Council area include Mallaig and other areas which were not part of the historic area of Lochaber. The map labelled "Map of Scotland showing the historic district of Lochaber" is incorrect, it actually shows the area of the modern Lochaber Council. --jmb 16:40, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

No. The 'included' Lochaber will be a district of the county of Inverness defined under earlier local government legislation (and may well have had its own district council for some purposes). Also, there is a much earlier sense of a Lochaber district going back centuries, much earlier than the creation of county councils under 1889 legislation, and probably earlier than the creation of recognisable counties, but whether the map gives a reliable definition of boundaries is another issue, which I am not equipped to address. Laurel Bush 10:36, 21 July 2006 (UTC).

District Councils came in at the same time as Regional Councils which broke up the old counties. I have never heard of a Lochaber District Council before that time but I have only lived there 30+ years. There was Fort William (Town? Burgh?) Council and Inverness-shire County Council (which I think was responsible for the area outside the town). When I see a reference to historic Lochaber I presume it means the old areas like Lochaber, Morvern, Moidart which I don't think had defined boundaries as they just referred to an area. The only fixed subdivisions would be parishs but they could overlap county boundaries. --jmb 11:51, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Hydro scheme - separate article?

Any objection to moving the info on the hydro scheme to a separate article, eg Lochaber hydro-electric scheme. It looks a bit out of place here, seeing as the rest of the article is about the area / district. Also it would be more consistent with other schemes eg Galloway hydro-electric power scheme. It could be linked to from this article in a "See also" section. --Vclaw 21:55, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Seems reasonable to me. You might like to add that there are stories that the original plan was to extend the hydro scheme at Kinlochleven but the local MP(?) objected to Inverness-shire water providing jobs in Argyll or something like that. I can't find an absolute reference for the quote but seen it mentioned in various places. --jmb 22:29, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

I wrote much of the original hydro-scheme article (and the one about the Kinlochleven scheme). At the time, there were few articles about any aspect of Lochaber - now that the article has grown, it makes sense to create it as a separate piece, I think. Paul W 12:24, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

I have just forced a table of contents, to make the hydro scheme section more evident. Not sure the existing length of the article is such that it really needs splitting. Laurel Bush 15:26, 3 August 2006 (UTC).

Lochaber hydroelectric scheme

The water catchment area is extended by an aqueduct running alongside the side of the A86 through Strath Mashie, it runs at least as far as the River Mashie at NN 587 910 but sure if it goes any further. --jmb 14:17, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

The catchment area extends beyond the River Mashie to the River Spey. The headwaters of the Spey are caught at the Spey Dam, NN583935, thence by tunnel to Loch Laggan, Loch Treig and thus to the Lochaber Power Station that drives the Aluminium Smelter at Fort William. (Source: Lochaber Water Power Acts 1921 & 1930 and Lochaber Water Power Confirmation Acts, 1938, 1940 & 1984) Iain MacUisdein (talk) 12:14, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

North Lorne

¿Alguien puede escribir un articulo sobre North Lorne? Someone can do write an article over North Lorne, please? Anselmocisneros 07:34, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

History?

I'm astonished that an area as steeped in history, and as typically "Highland" as Lochaber has nothing about any other aspect of its history than local government! Which, lets face it, is likely to be of interest to a tiny minority. Sadly, this is true of many pages about parts of the Highlands - you'd think the composition and history of the local councils were the only things of interest that had ever happened here. I hate to think what impression that gives. Lianachan (talk) 12:04, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps there should be two pages? One about the council administrative area called Lochaber and another for the historic area with its history, geology etc. I think there have been discussions in the past about what is included in Lochaber. The council area has fixed borders though they might change over the years with different flavours of government. The historic area of Lochaber will probably have vaguer borders and they will not be the same as the council area. It seems better to keep administrative areas separate because of the way they change frequently. --jmb (talk) 12:45, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Laird Richard Morneau of Lochaber

Does anyone know what this line is on about, been very messily added to Notes and References. I would think it should be deleted as the only reference to it seems to be on Wikipedia and links to a blank French page anyway. --jmb (talk) 20:13, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Laird Richard Morneau of Lochaber

Another Laird of Lochaber

The line below has been inserted at random into the article twice. I deleted earlier today but it has been put back in another place. As far as i am aware it is purely a vanity title and has no relevance to the area. Can its relevance to the Wikipedia article be justified or should it be deleted again. --jmb (talk) 11:05, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

The current laird of Lochaber is Craig Jonathan Huddart

Laird of Lochaber Scam [1] --jmb (talk) 11:28, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Parish

"There are also earlier senses of Lochaber as a district, and Parish"

Was Lochaber a parish? I thought that Kilmally and Kilmonivaig were the only parishes in the area. --jmb (talk) 08:24, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Pronunciation?

Could someone who knows about the subject please add a note about how the name is pronounced? Thank you. SpectrumDT (talk) 18:19, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

It's pronounced Lochaber. Thank you.

Laird's and Lord's of Lochaber

I'm surprised I'm the first person to address this, but I have an explanation for the above two claimants of Lairdship over Lochabar. A friend of mine is also the 'current Laird of Lochaber' and has never set foot in the UK, nor have his ancestors. He's not even of European descent. He just bought a square foot of land, like our prior claimants probable also did. It came with a gawdy crest, azure field, an unknown crown atop it possibly Spanish in design, two argent pale lions flanking a four tier tesselated two storey tower. Hope that helps, it might be worth looking into, as to be honest for people outside of the UK all Lochaber is known for is selling phony Lairdships. Ironically, they were sold as Lordships too. 58.168.100.213 (talk) 12:22, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Tracked it down. [2] Google also yielded a lot of puff pieces of Lords / Lairds of Lochaber defending their titles claiming that merely owning land in Scotland allows usage of the title Laird or Lord and citing a dictionary as reference purely because it didn't state that Lord / Laird is a claim to peerage. Figured this would clarify why we have zany claimants of peerage to this district. You'll also find they call it Lochaber Estate primarily. Assumedly this is the ad hoc name by the shysters running the scam where their square foot paddock of peerage resides. 58.168.100.213 (talk) 12:31, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

What? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.31.128.225 (talk) 11:59, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Map error

The bottom map seems to miss off the Small Isles (which the top one seems to include). 213.1.240.149 (talk) 18:49, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Geopark category

I've removed the category referring to members of Geopark network as, rather sadly, Lochaber lost its status this Autumn - see http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-15773368 Geopersona (talk) 05:25, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

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Province of Scotland??

Ye wha? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C5:6507:5700:8D9F:8C2D:FEFC:5360 (talk) 11:12, 26 February 2018 (UTC)