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Nothing Fails?![edit]

Mmm.... the title of this article is "Love Profusion", so it starts off talking about "Nothing Fails" instead, and eventually makes some vague reference to the song mentioned in the title. WTF, and what a badly-written mess.

Song meaning, instrumentation, production??[edit]

Can someone add any of this information to the article because I do believe it needs to be expanded. Underneath-it-All 04:41, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

This page has weasel words and is unneutral. It claims general opinions by fans without providing any references or sources.

The article is NOT neutral. It makes sweeping generalisations of fan responses without any references, and reads heavily like a fanzine.

User Andrez removing content from article[edit]

@Andrzejbanas: what is your rationale for removing sourced content from the article? —Indian:BIO · ^{[ ChitChat ]} 14:40, 17 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Per WP:SCHOLARSHIP, "Wikipedians should never interpret the content of primary sources for themselves. See Wikipedia:No original research." We don't interpret things to place our own genre on it. If they didn't say that in the article, we don't apply a genre ourselves. Simple as that. Thoughts? Andrzejbanas (talk) 14:42, 17 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Do not add silly tags to the article since you cannot comprehend simple English. The source clearly says it as electronica-meets-folk which is folktronica so if you are deleting it, you are actually being disruptive to the point of WP:IDONTHEARIT between potaeeetos and potaaaatos. And please I'm more than aware of WP:OR. —Indian:BIO · ^{[ ChitChat ]} 14:48, 17 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not actually. This is a low thing article, you have not addressed my point that you can't interpret things like that from an article. So unless you can point out by quoting rules like I have where I'm wrong, maybe you should consider the fact that your edit is wrong. Andrzejbanas (talk) 14:52, 17 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not interpreting anything from any article, the source itself is present in the article recording section "According to a writer from The Arizona Republic, it is an electronica-meets-folk song and is ... It is you who started the revert in the first place without reading the article, how difficult it is to see this? —Indian:BIO · ^{[ ChitChat ]} 14:56, 17 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

If the article doesn't actually use the word "folktronica", it can't be used as a reference for folktronica as a genre.—Kww(talk) 14:59, 17 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Kww:, it directly uses electronica and folk, can we use that then? —Indian:BIO · ^{[ ChitChat ]} 01:37, 18 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I would think so, yes.—Kww(talk) 02:51, 18 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Then that settles it I guess what do you think Andrz? —Indian:BIO · ^{[ ChitChat ]} 05:29, 18 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No, still not what the source says. Find a specific source. Madonna is a huge artist, I'm sure you can find a source for this song. Andrzejbanas (talk) 10:54, 18 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'm afraid I do not follow. Are you clearly denying the source? electronica-meetsfolk? Sorry I find this disruptive. —Indian:BIO · ^{[ ChitChat ]} 11:04, 18 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry you find it distruptive. "electronica-meets folk" is fine, "Electronica, Folk" in the genre is not. It's not what the source says. As stated before, this is Madonna, I'm sure you can find a stronger genre source than that. I'm trying to make the article stronger, not cause problems, so please don't accuse me of this. Andrzejbanas (talk) 11:36, 18 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You need to explain why electronica-meets-folk is not the genre. WP:COMMONSENSE says so, I can drag this through RFC if you want. —Indian:BIO · ^{[ ChitChat ]} 14:58, 18 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, it's a vague description and not a specific genre. As it's not a known genre that has it's own article, we can only interpret to what it means. As I stated since the begining, Per WP:SCHOLARSHIP, "Wikipedians should never interpret the content of primary sources for themselves.". Since we can only assume what the author was trying to say, we can't just tag our own genres. Andrzejbanas (talk) 15:50, 18 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Andrz, I'm not advocating adding folktronica to the article, electronica and folk can both be separate gernres as Kww explained. —Indian:BIO · ^{[ ChitChat ]} 16:18, 18 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

That is interpretation because it's not what the article says. Andrzejbanas (talk) 19:11, 21 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It indeed says that. You are misinterpreting or not understanding the meaning (not sure which one it is). —Indian:BIO · ^{[ ChitChat ]} 19:52, 21 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Its been over a week I'm yet to hear a response from you Andrez. —Indian:BIO · ^{[ ChitChat ]} 10:58, 28 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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