Talk:Lunga, Firth of Lorn

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Lunga Group[edit]

I found this section interesting and I did see the name "Lunga Group" in snippets of some of the books published about the Hebrides. It presents a certain problem for me as I try to impart a reasonable organization to the picture categories on Commons. Are these the same as the Slate Islands, are some Slate Islands not in it, and are other islands than the Slate in the group? I am sure the term Slate Islands did not begin with all these islands but the usage may be different now. So, what I suggest is an expanded presentation, perhaps with a little name history and some indication of who uses the term Lunga Group. Should we be saying "Lunga Group or Slate Islands," or should we be establishing a category "Lunga Group" to include the Slate Islands, or should we just be pointing out that an alternative classification has developed? Also, I know it is hard for subject gurus also to be WP programmers but that is what is required. The single reference given has no page number. Moreover, it is unclear exactly what idea it authenticates. You can find the template specification under "template:cite book". At your leisure. Since the article is more of a stub I am not inclined to throw tags on at the moment, but it needs some work, if you are still interested.Botteville (talk) 23:25, 16 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 6 June 2020[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: uncontested move. DrKay (talk) 12:15, 14 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Lunga, Slate Islands → Lunga, Firth of Lorn – Lunga would not appear to be one of the Slate Islands - details to follow. Ben MacDui 16:00, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

In April 2012 indef blocked sockmaster RafikiSykes moved

Not especially controversial perhaps, but the question now arises - is Lunga actually one of the Slate Islands? I decided to improve that stub and started to import some geograhical info. In doing so, I started to wonder and began drafting a rather unusual "Definition" section. This is below. In a nutshell, the suggestion is to move the page back to its original title.

Draft of "Definition" section - with some extra commentary

Unlike some of Scotland's larger archipelagos such as Orkney and the Outer Hebrides, which are distant from other islands and also have their own local authority, the Slate Islands have no formal and easily recognisable definition. The islands from which the slate that gives rise to the name was quarried on a commercial basis are Easdale, Belnahua, Luing and Seil, as featured in the name of a recent book on the subject.[1] The website of the Slate Islands Heritage Trust also prominently lists these islands as their remit[2] although other sources are more inclusive. (In 2007 the Slate Islands Heritage Trust was also less exclusive, suggesting that the Slate Islands "include" Seil, Easdale, Luing, and Belnahua.[3])

According to the Gazetteer for Scotland these islands "include Luing, Seil, Shuna, Torsay, Easdale, Belnahua and Fladda".[4] W. H. Murray in The Companion Guide to the West Highlands of Scotland goes so far as to say: "Seil and Luing, Shuna, Torsa, Belnahua and many others are collectively known as the Slate Islands."[5] Torsa is a tidal island, joined to Luing at low tide.[6] From a geological perspective Shuna has "no workable slate", although limestone was once worked there.[7] The neighbouring islands of Lunga and Eilean Dubh Mòr are constituted of quartzite, "Scarba conglomerate" and other rocks that lack a commercial value.[8][9]

(Other sources that support this definition are Southern Hebrides Scotland: "The main islands are Seil, Easdale, Luing, Lunga, Shuna, Torsa and Belnahua"[10] and Electric Scotland which re-publishes Patrick H Gillies' 1909 writings on Netherlorn.[11] Rather idiosyncratically Scottish Island Bagging: The Walkhighlands Guide to the Islands of Scotland suggests that Scarba is "the southernmost of the Slate Islands".[12] I think the adventure centre on Lunga (now closed) advertised itself as being "Rubha Fiola, Slate Islands" or similar - but I think it's fair to characterise this as an essentially commercial way of trying to make it clear where the place was roughly located (i.e. not in The Treshnish Isles).)

It therefore seems reasonable to conlude that this collective noun;

  • includes the commercially quarried Easdale, Belnahua, Luing and Seil;
  • plus their larger, inhabited close neighbours of Shuna and Torsa
  • with the "many others" being the smaller uninhabited rocks and skerries in their immediate vicinity.

This then excludes Lunga and Eilean Dubh Mòr and their own outliers that lie to the west of Luing, between Scarba and The Garvellachs.

Citations[edit]

References

  1. ^ Withal (2013), front cover.
  2. ^ Slate Islands Heritage Trust Retrieved 6 June 2020.
  3. ^ "The Islands" Wayback 15.06.07 Retrieved 6 June 2020.
  4. ^ Slate Islands. Gazetteer for Scotland. Retrieved 6 June 2020.
  5. ^ Murray (1977), p. 121.
  6. ^ Haswell-Smith (2004), p. 72.
  7. ^ Haswell-Smith (2004), p. 63.
  8. ^ "Kilmartin, Scotland sheet 36, Bedrock and Superficial deposits". BGS large map images. British Geological Survey. Retrieved 5 February 2020.
  9. ^ Haswell-Smith (2004), pp. 65, 73.
  10. ^ "Slate Islands Roofed the World". Southernhebrides.com. Retrieved 6 June 2020.
  11. ^ "Netherlorn and its Neighbourhood" Chapter IV - The Slate Islands: Luing, Torsa, Shuna. Electric Scotland. Retrieved 6 June 2020.
  12. ^ Webster (2019), Scarba.
  • Webster, Helen; Webster, Paul (2019). Scottish Island Bagging: The Walkhighlands Guide to the Islands of Scotland. Vertebrate Publishing. ISBN 1912560305.

Ben MacDui 16:15, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note that Lunga is
    • Support, thanks for your thorough research on this, it seems that it can be described as one of the Slate Islands, but there's not a consensus on that, so better to use the uncontroversial disambiguator. Warofdreams talk 13:52, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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