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Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 09:35, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]


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Starting this review today; hopefully I will have it wrapped up by the end of the day! --K. Peake 09:35, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox and lead[edit]

  • Is the Nowrap template really needed in the infobox?
 Done Dhtwiki (talk) 23:34, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "by the German musical project" → "by German musical project"
 Not done – Have left in, as former reads as well to me if not better. Dhtwiki (talk) 23:34, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "which is headed by the Romanian-German musician" → "led by Romanian-German musician"
 Done – "which is led" is what I changed it to. Dhtwiki (talk) 23:34, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Changed to just "led", per suggestion. Dhtwiki (talk) 01:56, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The album was released in" → "It was released in"
 Done Dhtwiki (talk) 23:34, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Michael Cretu became fascinated with mixing archaic sounds with" → "Cretu became fascinated with mixing archaic sounds and"
 Not done – Since there are both Michael and Sandra, I tended to (as GOCE copy editor) distinguish by including first names. Dhtwiki (talk) 23:34, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
She is not properly introduced as his wife though; change "Following Michael and Sandra's marriage" to "Following Michael and Sandra Cretu's marriage" and check through other instances to fix MOS:SAMESURNAME issues. --K. Peake 22:12, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done – Especially as I later went along with using just "Cretu" to designate Michael. Dhtwiki (talk) 09:03, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "in which he experimented" → "for which he experimented"
 Done Dhtwiki (talk) 23:34, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Michael developed the idea" → "the former developed the idea"
 Not done – "the former" seems somehow too abstract here. Dhtwiki (talk) 23:34, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "recorded the album in eight months" → "recorded the album over the course of eight months in 1990"
 Done Dhtwiki (talk) 23:34, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Dhtwiki (talk) 23:34, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove wikilink on Gregorian Chant
 Done Dhtwiki (talk) 23:34, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "resulted in the Munich-based choir suing" → "resulted in the choir's label Polydor Germany suing" with the target, as it was the label that launched the lawsuit
 Done Dhtwiki (talk) 23:34, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "of personality"." → "of personality.""
 Not done – Logical quotes apply, esp. as "of personality" isn't the end of a sentence in the source. Dhtwiki (talk) 23:34, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "after Michael Cretu agreed to pay compensation." → "after Cretu agreed to pay compensation to Capella Antiqua München."
 Not done – Billboard source isn't clear that Capella A.M. received all compensation (legal fees for Polydor?). Dhtwiki (talk) 23:34, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Next sentence of this paragraph should be about the reception: "The album received generally positive reviews from music critics," adding what was praised
 Done – By appending clause to paragraph's first sentence. Dhtwiki (talk) 23:34, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The album became a worldwide success," → "Commercially, MCMXC a.D. became a worldwide success," to avoid starting all three paras of the lead with "MCMXC a.D." or "the album"
 Done Dhtwiki (talk) 23:34, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "reaching the top ten on record charts in ten countries," → "reaching the top 10 of record charts in 10 countries," per MOS:NUM
 Done Dhtwiki (talk) 23:34, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "number six in the United States, where it stayed on the" → "number six in the US, lasting on the country's"
 Not done – "staying" reads as well, if not better, to me. Dhtwiki (talk) 23:34, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Switch to the suggested wording but with that word in replace of "lasting" then. --K. Peake 22:12, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Dhtwiki (talk) 09:03, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done – By appending a clause, not new sentence. Dhtwiki (talk) 23:34, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
You should have a new sentence because this one is too long at the moment. --K. Peake 22:12, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Dhtwiki (talk) 09:03, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Dhtwiki (talk) 23:34, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • ""Sadeness (Part I)" topped the singles charts worldwide" → "The lead single topped charts worldwide" with the wikilink and removing "singles" to avoid repetitive wording and removing "the" to make it clear the song didn't top EVERY chart
 Done Dhtwiki (talk) 23:34, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Enigma's most successful single." → "Enigma's most successful song." but where is this sourced in the body?
 Done – Have deleted. Dhtwiki (talk) 23:34, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Dhtwiki: Thanks for dealing with the infobox and the lead section of the article. I will let you do the Development and release section, the Critical reception section, the Commercial success section, and the notes; and I will do the rest of the article. Lazman321 (talk) 04:16, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Lazman321: OK with me. The "Background and release" section (ex "Development and release") has three citation-needed/failed verification templates that possibly need addressing by someone with better access to sources than I have. Dhtwiki (talk) 05:07, 30 December 2020 (UTC) (edited by Dhtwiki (talk) 05:10, 30 December 2020 (UTC))[reply]

Development and release[edit]

  • Retitle to Background and release
 Done Dhtwiki (talk) 04:24, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wikilink Michael Cretu because this is his first mention in the body and he is only the head of the musical project, so can be linked here as well as the lead
 Done Dhtwiki (talk) 04:24, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Michael experimented with" → "Cretu experimented with"
 Done Dhtwiki (talk) 04:24, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • It is not sourced that the chants appeared at the beginning of the song
 Comment: placed citation-needed template. Dhtwiki (talk) 04:24, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
This and any other templates need resolving pronto, as articles can definitely not pass as GAs with them. --K. Peake 22:12, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done – By moving preceding citation, which supports chants as intro to Sandra's song. Dhtwiki (talk) 23:43, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Michael would become fascinated" → "He would become fascinated"
 Done Dhtwiki (talk) 04:24, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Michael married Sandra in" → "Cretu married Sandra in"
 Done Dhtwiki (talk) 04:24, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Michael's studio located" → "Cretu's studio located"
 Done Dhtwiki (talk) 04:24, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Michael conceived the album" → "He conceived the album"
 Done – But wrote "Cretu conceived the album", as name seemed to bear repetition, not being subject of previous sentence. Dhtwiki (talk) 04:24, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "He produced the album with" → "Cretu produced MCMXC a.D. with"
 Done – Although, it could stand to be "He", not "Cretu", with name now stated in previous sentence. Dhtwiki (talk) 04:24, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • It is not sourced that he produced the album with creative input from them; that is only backed up for one song
 Comment: Placed failed-verification template. Dhtwiki (talk) 04:24, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done – Have removed template, as Allmusic seems to support the creative input. Although the wording of the source doesn't say that the assist produced the album, the time of the creative input coincides with its production. Dhtwiki (talk) 23:58, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Michael Cretu told Sandra, that" → "Cretu told Sandra,"
 Done Dhtwiki (talk) 04:24, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Dhtwiki (talk) 04:24, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Michael wanted to be anonymous and for" → "Cretu wanted to be anonymous and wished for"
 Done Dhtwiki (talk) 04:24, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "believing that consumers..." this is not fully backed up
 Comment: placed citation-needed template. Dhtwiki (talk) 04:24, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done: I rewrote the phrase to be backed up more by the Los Angeles Times citation. Lazman321 (talk) 18:51, 1 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "So, he was" → "Due to this, he was"
 Done Dhtwiki (talk) 04:24, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "with Frank Peterson credited" → "while Peterson was credited"
 Done Dhtwiki (talk) 04:24, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "and Fabrice Cuitad being credited" → "and Fabrice Cuitad was credited"
 Done Dhtwiki (talk) 04:24, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Virgin promoted the song by" → "Virgin Records promoted the song with" with the wikilink
 Done Dhtwiki (talk) 04:24, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • [8][6][9] should be put in numerical order
 Not done – Based on arbitrary enumeration, when higher numbered reference may be more pertinent. Dhtwiki (talk) 04:24, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove wikilink on Virgin Records
 Done Dhtwiki (talk) 04:24, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Michael Cretu still wanted to remain" → "Cretu still wanted to remain"
 Done Dhtwiki (talk) 04:24, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "again believing that the consumers would buy" → "believing that the consumers would buy" because the previous instance is in reference to a song
 Done Dhtwiki (talk) 04:24, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "on the album the same as on "Sadeness (Part I)": Michael Cretu as Curly M.C., Frenk Peterson" → "on MCMXC a.D. under the same monikers as on "Sadeness (Part I)", with Cretu receiving credit as Curly M.C., Peterson"
 Done Dhtwiki (talk) 04:24, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Composition[edit]

  • Retitle to Composition and lyrics
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 15:28, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Overview[edit]

 Done Lazman321 (talk) 15:28, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "that delved into themes of sexual violence and domination." → "delving into themes of sexual violence and domination."
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 15:28, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The original release of MCMXC a.D. is 40 minutes" → "MCMXC a.D. is 40 minutes" since there is no different length mentioned for any other release
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 15:28, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • ""The Principles of Lust" track contains" → "The track "Principles of Lust" contains" with the wikilink
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 15:28, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is it "Sadeness" or "Sadeness (Part I)" that the song should be identified as?
 Comment: The album refers to the song as "Sadeness", but the single refers to the song as "Sadeness (Part I)". Most of the sources refer to the song as "Sadeness (Part I)" and as such, I refer to the song as "Sadeness (Part I)" when talking about the single or the song outside of the "Principles of Lust" track, but refer to it as "Sadeness" when I am talking about the song inside the "Principles of Lust" track, even though they are the same song. I will make it more clear in the singles sub-section that "Sadeness (Part I)" and "Sadeness" are the same song. Lazman321 (talk) 15:28, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yeah that all makes sense, and thank you for the last bit. --K. Peake 22:12, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 15:28, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Change trip-hop to trip hop, plus replace the semi-colon with a comma
 Done for changing the name.  Not done for changing the semi-colon to a comma as it is changing from one list of genres to a list of rhythms ultilized. The comma would not make sense. Lazman321 (talk) 15:28, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • [15][5][16][17] put in numerical order
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 15:28, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 15:28, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "It is well known" → "The album is well known"
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 15:28, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove wikilink on Gregorian chant
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 15:28, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "with sexuality,[19] its lead single, "Sadeness (Part I)" being" → "with sexuality;[19] lead single "Sadeness (Part I)" is"
 Not done This change would make the sentence read more awkardly. I will change comma to a semicolon though. Lazman321 (talk) 15:28, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Change "its lead single" to "the lead single" to avoid overusing "its" in this sentence. --K. Peake 22:12, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 03:15, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Target "Mea Culpa" to "Mea Culpa (Part II)", or are you sure the song shouldn't be listed as the latter title throughout?
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 15:28, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Songs[edit]

  • "by Michael Cretu[14] and" → "by Cretu,[14] and"
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 15:28, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 15:28, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Sandra Cretu[19] starts talking and invites the listener to relax and" → "Sandra starts talking and invites the listener to relax as well as" but is [19] really needed at all?
 Comment: Yes, [19] is needed as neither AllMusic nor Entertainment Weekly refer to the voice as Sandra, but Colorado Springs Magazine does. Lazman321 (talk) 15:28, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Are you sure all of this sentence is backed up the refs?
 Comment: If you are refering to the second sentence of the Songs sub-section, Yes Lazman321 (talk) 15:28, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "employs throughout a drumbeat" → employs a drumbeat throughout" with the target
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 15:28, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 15:28, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Mention the release year of the song and what artist it is by
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 15:28, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 15:28, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • [5][12] should be solely at the end of the sentence before [22]
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 15:28, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "that mark the song breaks." → "that mark the song's break." with the target
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 15:28, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "is the highlight of this track." → "is the first part of the track."
 Done though slightly different. Lazman321 (talk) 15:28, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove wikilink on Gregorian chant
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 15:28, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • [23][15] put in numerical order
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 15:28, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Fabrice Cuitad and Frank Peterson." → "Fabrice Cuitad and Peterson."
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 15:28, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 15:28, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 15:28, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "was written by Michael Cretu and Fabrice Cuitad[14]" → "was written by Cretu and Fabrice Cuitad,[14]"
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 15:28, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "from the Capella Antiqua München[1]" → "from Capella Antiqua München,[1]"
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 15:28, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • ""Mea Culpa's" theme "centers" → "The song's theme "centers"
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 15:28, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "written by Michael Cretu and Frank Peterson," → "written by Cretu and Peterson,"
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 15:28, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "was written solely by Michael Cretu." → "was written solely by Cretu."
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 15:28, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Singles[edit]

  • This should be kept in the same position, but make the section one of its own because writing about the single releases is not comp info\
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 15:33, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove wikilink on "Sadeness (Part I)"
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 15:33, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "of the "The Principles of Lust" track, was released on" → "of the "Principles of Lust" track, was released as the lead single on"
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 15:33, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "7 million copies worldwide" → "7 million copies worldwide,"
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 15:33, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • [8][6] put in numerical order
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 15:33, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 15:33, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove wikilink on "Mea Culpa (Part II)"
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 15:33, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "was released on" → "was released as the second single on"
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 15:33, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "on the German charts[30] and on the" → "on both the German charts and the" plus move [30] solely to the end of the sentence before [31]
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 15:33, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "number four in France" → "number four in France,"
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 15:33, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Add (SNEP) for the certifier
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 15:33, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Michael Cretu considers "Mea Culpa (Part II)" his" → "Cretu considers "Mea Culpa (Part II)" his"
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 15:33, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove wikilinks on "Principles of Lust" and "The Rivers of Belief"
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 15:33, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "were both released in" → "were both released as singles in"
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 15:33, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "in the United Kingdom at" → "in the UK at"
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 15:33, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Critical reception[edit]

  • "received generally positive reviews" → "was met with generally positive reviews from music critics." with the target, removing what was praised since that should only be in the lead for album articles
 Done Dhtwiki (talk) 09:55, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • [20] should not be at the end of the section because the reviews that follow make it clear that reception was generally positive
 Not done – Don't understand where it should be moved to, because NY Times is behind paywall at the moment. Dhtwiki (talk) 09:55, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I meant the ref should not be invoked at the end of the sentence because it is not needed to back up the reception info; keep the ref in the article being invoked in the others areas though. --K. Peake 13:13, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done – By removing satellite citation. Dhtwiki (talk) 23:14, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • ""[Michael Cretu had] redefined" → ""[Cretu had] redefined"
 Done Dhtwiki (talk) 09:55, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "at number one of "The Top 10 albums from Germany", saying" → "at number one on his "The Top 10 albums from Germany" list, saying:"
 Done Dhtwiki (talk) 09:55, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Dhtwiki (talk) 09:55, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge the two paras now because the first is only three sentences when uDiscoverMusic has been removed
 Not done – I split the second paragraph into two short paragraphs, as the new, third paragraph contains "In contrast..." reviews. That seems preferable from the standpoint of coherence as well as not having one long paragraph. Dhtwiki (talk) 09:55, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • AllMusic should not be italicised and cut the level of quoting from the review since it is very heavy at the moment
 Done – Although websites are italicized when "cite web" templates are rendered. Cutting down quotation by removing second quote entirely. Note the spelling of "Crétu" in remaining quote. Dhtwiki (talk) 09:55, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Marisa Fox said, on" → "Marisa Fox wrote, for"
 Done Dhtwiki (talk) 09:55, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "didn't have as many accessible hits as other albums," → "doesn't have as many accessible hits as other ones,"
 Done Dhtwiki (talk) 09:55, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "that he called "irritating"," → "that is "irritating" in his eyes,"
 Done Dhtwiki (talk) 09:55, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "said that "Sadeness (Part I)"'s "mellow electrobeat and Gregorian fog provide[s]" → "asserted that the "mellow electrobeat and Gregorian fog" of "Sadeness (Part I)" "provide[s]"
 Done Dhtwiki (talk) 09:55, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "and that the other songs" → "and the other songs"
 Done – with further copy editing to expand on interpretation of this almost cryptic review. Dhtwiki (talk) 09:55, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Commercial success[edit]

  • Retitle to Commercial performance, as the current title definitely comes across as biased in favor of Enigma
 Done Dhtwiki (talk) 10:30, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Should the worldwide sales be here, or would the appropriate placement be at the end of the section instead?
 Comment: It seems that mentioning the worldwide success of the album would be lost at the end. Dhtwiki (talk) 10:30, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "entered the record charts at number 60 the week of" → "entered the German Albums chart at number 60 for the week of"
 Done Dhtwiki (talk) 10:30, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "at number three the week" → "at number three on the week"
 Done – But "for" not "on". Dhtwiki (talk) 10:30, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Either "for" or "on" works really, I just thought I would suggest both for variety but it is not overly tedious to solely use one of them. --K. Peake 13:13, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "the week of 8 July 1991." → "for the week of 8 July 1991."
 Done Dhtwiki (talk) 10:30, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "the charts at number 68" → "the chart at number 68 on"
 Done – But, again, assuming "for" is correct here. Dhtwiki (talk) 10:30, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "at number 69 the week of" → "at number 69 for the week of"
 Done Dhtwiki (talk) 10:30, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The album again re-entered the charts," → "MCMXC a.D. re-entered the German Albums chart,"
 Done – Changing to "for" in following text and repunctuating. Dhtwiki (talk) 10:30, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "at number 73 the week of" → "at number 73 on the week of"
 Done – But "for" again (what am I missing with this variance of prepositions?). Dhtwiki (talk) 10:30, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "In the United States, MCMXC a.D. entered" → "In the US, MCMXC a.D. entered"
 Done – To be consistent with "UK" not being spelled out, although usually I'd spell out a non-adjectival country name at first instance in a section. Dhtwiki (talk) 22:45, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "at number 169 the week" → "at number 169 on the week"
 Done – But "for". Dhtwiki (talk) 22:45, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "peaking at number six" → "peaking at number six for"
 Done Dhtwiki (talk) 22:45, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Dhtwiki (talk) 22:45, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "at number four the week" → "at number four on the week"
 Done – But "for". Although there's a homophonic collision, consistency, as well as the fact that "on" doesn't work here for this American, is preferable, as these prepositions act more as markers or delimiters in a prose list. Dhtwiki (talk) 22:45, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "it peaked at number 17" → "it peaked at number 17 for"
 Not done – I don't see this particular text in the article. Dhtwiki (talk) 22:45, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "has been certified four-times platinum" → "has since been certified quadruple platinum" with the target
 Done Dhtwiki (talk) 22:45, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "the week of 20 January 1991," → "for the week of 20 January 1991,"
 Done Dhtwiki (talk) 22:45, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "has been certfied triple platinum" → "has since been certified triple platinum"
 Done Dhtwiki (talk) 22:45, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "for shipments in excess of 900,000 copies." → "for shipments in excess of 900,000 copies in the UK."
 Done Dhtwiki (talk) 22:45, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Controversies[edit]

Satanism rumors[edit]

  • "has themes about the balancing of" → "has themes of balancing"
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 05:16, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Michael Cretu has been accused" → "Cretu was accused"
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 05:16, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "content into MCMXC a.D. " → "content into the album." with the excess space being removed
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 05:16, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "were concerned with the chanting being satanic. This resulted" → "were concerned with Gregorian chant being satanic; this resulted"
  • Target Catholic to Catholic Church
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 05:16, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "did not think that the album" → "did not think MCMXC a.D."
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 05:16, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 05:16, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "of satanism in the album. He wanted the" → "of satanism with the album, revealing he wanted the"
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 05:16, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • [11][10] put in numerical order
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 05:16, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Lawsuit[edit]

  • "Michael Cretu claimed that the" → "Cretu claimed that the"
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 05:16, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "used in the album were recorded in Romania and said that" → "used on MCMXC a.D. were recorded in Romania and said"
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 05:16, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "that Cretu got from" → "Cretu got from"
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 05:16, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "and MCMXC a.D." → "and the album."
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 05:16, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • [64][23] put in numerical order
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 05:16, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "in MCMXC a.D." → "on MCMXC a.D."
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 05:16, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • [23][1] put in numerical order
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 05:16, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Track listing[edit]

  • No source at the top of this section
 Done for the first two listings. The last one I couldn't find a good direct source for that made sense. Discogs is an unreliable source and AllMusic repeated the names of the songs without telling what remix they were. As a result, I removed it. Lazman321 (talk) 05:38, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • The first track listing should have a title like the others
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 05:38, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Are the titles "Sadeness" and "Mea Culpa" definitely correct?
 Comment: In this context, yes, as that is what they are referred to as in the linear notes. Lazman321 (talk) 05:38, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Personnel[edit]

  • Good

Charts[edit]

Weekly charts[edit]

  • Should Musica e dischi really be listed in brackets for Italy?
 Comment: Do you have an alternative? Lazman321 (talk) 05:58, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I was thinking Music & Media might be ideal here? --K. Peake 06:46, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 17:49, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove Top Albums Sales chart since that is not notable
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 05:58, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Every separate chart table should have a caption
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 05:58, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Year-end charts[edit]

  • Every separate chart table should have a caption
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 17:49, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Certifications[edit]

  • Sales certifications for MCMXC a.D. → Certifications and sales for MCMXC a.D.
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 18:05, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Argentina certification doesn't show up from the dead URL
 Done: I have set up a manual reference using the "certref" parameter that is identical to the automatic reference but adds in an archive URL so people can view the certification. Lazman321 (talk) 18:05, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Notes[edit]

  • Add a comma after copyright infringement
 Done Dhtwiki (talk) 23:05, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • but in the "Sadeness (Part I)" liner notes marks → but the "Sadeness (Part I)" liner notes mark
 Done – But -> but the "Sadeness (Part I)" liner notes give his role as "Music". Dhtwiki (talk) 23:05, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Make the same change for the note below
 Done – Similarly changed, -> but the "Sadeness (Part I)" liner notes give his role as "Text". Dhtwiki (talk) 23:05, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References[edit]

Agree Lazman321 (talk) 19:39, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Archive all of these by using the tool
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 19:39, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 19:39, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done for author linking;  Not done for citing AllMusic as publisher as per Template:Cite web. The publisher parameter is reserved for the company that publishes the work, not the work itself. Lazman321 (talk) 19:39, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 19:39, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove or replace refs 4 and 42 per my earlier comment
 Comment: Ref 42 has already been removed by User:Dhtwiki. Ref 4 is usable as a primary source. Lazman321 (talk) 19:39, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 19:39, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 19:39, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Cite BBC instead for ref 7 and as publisher, with the wikilink
 Done for using BBC instead of British Broadcasting Corporation.  Not done for using it as publisher as BBC is the work, and its publisher name is identical. Lazman321 (talk) 19:39, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 19:39, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Target Daily News to whichever wiki is appropriate on ref 12
 Done: Linked to The Daily News (Kentucky) Lazman321 (talk) 19:39, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 19:39, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • WP:OVERLINK of Enigma on ref 14
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 19:39, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 19:39, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Cite AllMusic as publisher instead for refs 17 and22, removing the other one
 Not done: AllMusic is the website or work, not the publisher. AllMusic is owned by RhythmOne. Lazman321 (talk) 19:39, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 19:39, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 19:39, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 19:39, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 19:39, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • infodisc.fr → InfoDisc on ref 33
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 19:39, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 19:39, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 19:39, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done: Deutsche Welle is the name of the work along with the company that runs it. Lazman321 (talk) 19:39, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Official Charts Company → Official Charts Company on ref 51, citing as publisher instead
 Done for changing the name;  Not done for citing it as publisher as it is the website name
  • Cite austriancharts.at as publisher instead for ref 71
 Not done: austriancharts.at is the website, Hung Medien would be the publisher.
  • GfK Entertainment → GfK Entertainment Charts on ref 75
 Done
  • Cite swisscharts.com as publisher instead for ref 77
 Not done: swisscharts.com is the website, Hung Medien would be the publisher.
  • Try to add an archive for ref 81
 Comment: Wasn't able to find an archive for the book. There is a working ISSN link though. Lazman321 (talk) 19:39, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe use that then, as I see no issues with doing so? --K. Peake 10:18, 1 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 18:54, 1 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

External links[edit]

  • Retitle the first link to Details of the release of MCMXC a.D. in different countries
 Done Lazman321 (talk) 19:41, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Final comments and verdict[edit]

  •  On hold until the issues are fixed, after I managed to get the review wrapped up today as desired! --K. Peake 21:58, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Dhtwiki I have responded to your initial comments where anything not done needs covering still. --K. Peake 22:12, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Kyle Peake I have done most of your requests. I am going to work on the template tags in the background and release section after the New Years' holiday is over. Lazman321 (talk) 19:43, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Lazman321 That is fine, but you have not cited publishers under references at multiple points where requested when they should be since those websites are always cited as such because they should not be italicised at all; a website can be a publisher, plus fix any citations where you have both a website and publisher by only having one. --K. Peake 10:18, 1 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • My work seems to be complete. The issue relevant to the last remaining citation-needed template that I placed has been resolved by Lazman321. However, now I see, in the talk subsection below, that "AllMusic" is italicized, as I thought it should be as the name of a website. I had undone my italicization, under "Critical reception", when asked to do so by Kyle Peake. Perhaps that needs to be revisited. Dhtwiki (talk) 21:28, 1 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Lazman321 and Dhtwiki I am sorry for forgetting to ask this earlier, but should I take one last look through and see if this article is ready for a pass now or there any things you still wish to ask me about? --K. Peake 17:59, 2 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Kyle Peake You can take one last look at the article to see if anything else needs to be fixed or dealt with. Lazman321 (talk) 18:04, 2 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Lazman321 ✓ Pass time for this article now; there were some fixes that were required, but the moderateness of them meant it was fine for me to handle the fixing with a copy edit or two :). I will update talk pages and the Gas page once I've eaten tea. --K. Peake 18:44, 2 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The work and publisher parameters[edit]

It is time I told you that some of your beliefs in how the publisher and work parameters work are wrong. I will be using WP:CS1 as my source.

A lot of citation template uses the work parameter to indicate what work the specific article or page is in. The templates pretty much tell the editors what counts as "work". For example, {{cite web}} says website is a work, and {{cite news}} says newspaper is a work. The help page even clearly says that:

On websites, in most cases "work" is the name of the website (as usually given in the logo/banner area of the site, and/or appearing in the <title> of the homepage, which may appear as the page title in your browser tab, depending on browser).

The help page defines "publisher" as:

The name of the organization that actually published the source.

The publisher parameter is recommended for being used in books, but doesn't always have to be used in other citations. It also lists three instances in citing sources when not to use the publisher parameter:

The "publisher" parameter should not be included for widely-known mainstream news sources, for major academic journals, or where it would be the same or mostly the same as the work.

Also, early on, when defining what "work" is, the help page clearly says:

Do not confuse this with the "publisher" parameter, which is for the publishing company.

Using the information gathered from the help page, your requests related to the work and publisher parameters are wrong:

  • Your first request to cite AllMusic as the publisher is wrong because AllMusic is the name of the website and should be used in the work or website parameter. Its actual publisher is RhythmOne.
  • Your second request to cite BBC as the publisher is wrong because BBC is the name of the website and should be used in the work, website, or newspaper parameter (depending on the template used). Plus, BBC is a mainstream news source and isn't externally owned by another company with a significant name difference, so the publisher parameter cannot be used at all.
  • Your third request to removed RhythmOne from the publisher parameter and to replace it with AllMusic is wrong as RhythmOne does own AllMusic, so they do count as the publisher. Plus, using the publisher parameter for AllMusic isn't forbidden as AllMusic is neither a news source nor an academic journal. It is a music database. RhythmOne and AllMusic are significantly different names.
  • Your fourth request to cite Deutsche Welle as the publisher is wrong because Deutsche Welle is the name of the website and should be used in the work, website, or newspaper parameter (depending on the template used). Plus, Deutsche Welle isn't externally owned by another company with a significant name difference.
  • Your fifth request to cite Official Charts Company as the publisher is wrong as Official Charts Company is the name of the website and should be used in the work or website parameter. Plus, the website and the company that owns it is identical in naming, meaning the publisher parameter cannot be used at all.
  • Your sixth request to cite austriancharts.at as the publisher is wrong because austriancharts.at is the name of the website and should be used in the work or website parameter. Its actual publisher is Hung Medien.
  • Your seventh request to cite swisscharts.com as the publisher is wrong because swisscharts.com is the name of the website and should be used in the work or website parameter. Its actual publisher is Hung Medien.

I recommend before responding that you read WP:CS1 yourself for verification and understanding. Then you can make suggestions from there. Thanks. Lazman321 (talk) 20:54, 1 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lazman321 I took a look and you are correct; the refs should not be citing publisher where I have requested for them to do so. However, for cases like AllMusic, they should not be italicised in prose though since things being written out is different from citing work or publisher. --K. Peake 08:48, 2 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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