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Merge suggestion[edit]

I suggest merging any and all articles about villages in Ma'ale Iron into this article. I don't believe we need several stubs which represent a single small town. There are similar precedents for merged towns, both Jewish and Arab, like Modi'in, Yehud-Monosson, Ka'abiyye-Tabbash-Hajajre, etc. —Ynhockey ^(Talk) 09:36, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Agree, a redirect should suffice. We could provide information about the various villages in separate subsections like we did with Shaghur. --Al Ameer son (talk) 15:53, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ok. Zero^talk 16:28, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

History[edit]

It is going to be a nightmare writing the history of this place. We need to start a place, lets start by collecting sources here. The one that could possibly need its own article is Salim, Cheers, Huldra (talk) 21:16, 11 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Baiada[edit]

Not on PEF map. Appears on 1938 map as Kh. al Baiyada.

Musheirifa[edit]

SWP II: p. 45
Palmer: El Mesheirfeh, "the high places" p. 151
1922: Barron, 1923, Table IX, Sub-district of Jenin, p. 30
1931: p. 69
Hadawi: counted under Umm al-Fahm;

Musmus[edit]

Guerin 1875: pp. 238 -239
SWP II: p. 45
Palmer: p. 151
1922: Barron, 1923, Table IX, Sub-district of Jenin, p. 30
1931: p. 69
Hadawi: counted under Umm al-Fahm;

Al-Murtafi'a[edit]

Pr talk with Number_57, I include it here. (It presently redirect here) ..but awaiting 2nd opinion.

SWP II: Murtefeh p. 68
Palmer: p. 151
1922: Barron, 1923, Table IX, Sub-district of Jenin, p. 30
1931: p. 69 ?
Hadawi: counted under Umm al-Fahm;

Salim[edit]

Dauphin pp. 740-1
Cohen, Michael and Mordechai Haiman (29/05/2008): Salim Final Report
Mahamid, Khaled (11/12/2006); Salim (East)
HA 159
Guerin 1875: pp. 230-232
Palmer: p. 152
SWP II: pp. 45, 68
1922: Barron, 1923, Table IX, Sub-district of Jenin, p. 30
1931: p. 70
Hadawi: counted under Rummanah

Zalafa[edit]

Horbat Zalafa (HA-ESI 110:91) <--- we should get this, it is referred to in Mahamid, (2006); Salim (East)
Guerin 1875: p. 232
Palmer: Zelefeh: "the cisterns" p. 156
SWP II: p. 72 (correct coords on sheet VIII are Mk but this gives non-existent coords Lf)
1922: Barron, 1923, Table IX, Sub-district of Jenin, p. 30
1931: p. 71
Hadawi: pp. 55 100, 150

How on earth are we going to organise this? Huldra (talk) 22:50, 11 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Some simple information, such as the population data from 1596, 1922, 1931, 1945 and later (I can provide 1949) can be presented as a table perhaps? Zero^talk 23:38, 11 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The approximate coords are 166/217. Zero^talk 00:26, 12 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds sensible. However, first of all we need to make sure which villages actually goes into Ma'ale Iron, i.e. confirmation that Al-Murtafi'a is included. And do you know how we could get a copy of HA-ESI 110 (for Zalafa)? Cheers, Huldra (talk) 20:22, 18 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I will have it soon. Zero^talk 23:26, 18 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

A couple of points,[edit]

Al-Murtafi'a presently redirects here...should it? Should we make it an article?
I propose that we remove the "Bibliography"-section, and the Pal.rem -sites which presently are in the articles. Any objections? Huldra (talk) 21:11, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Al-Murtafi'a is a neighborhood of Zalafa. Information should be Zalafa's article, there's no need to an article of it self. Al-Murtafi'a should redirect to Zalafa just in case one day in the future someone will link it. It was under Umm el-Fahm's municipal boundaries in the past.
No objection.--Bolter21 (talk to me) 21:48, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, then Zalafa should be expanded with all the Al-Murtafi'a stuff, mentioned above, Huldra (talk) 22:02, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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