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Updates[edit]

Right …

It’s possibly a bit early to say so: but I’ve no sign, yet, of system updates in the App menu.

Are we sure it’s been moved from the App Store, to an updated version of System Updates?

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Cuddy2977 (talk • contribs) 05:15, 29 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but that doesn't mean that they've just reverted back to the pre-Mountain Lion behavior, with "Software Update" as a main menu item; try going to System Preferences and looking at the "Software Update" item there. Guy Harris (talk) 08:42, 29 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm … You’re right, Guy. Personally Speaking, I’m not sure that’s a good thing. As a user since Tiger, I’d’ve expected to see exactly that. It’s annoying … but … Cuddy2977 (talk) 18:26, 29 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Level of detail[edit]

Looking at this, I'm wondering if the changes are way too granular for some stuff... DVD Player getting a new icon and moving location, for example, seems pretty irrelevant to the release as a whole. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^talk 00:21, 19 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Along those lines, is there an easily verifiable source for the build numbers and Darwin kernel versions specified currently in the releases section? I can check buildings in the System Software overview, but the kernel stuff presented there is nowhere near as detailed (just gives 18.7.0 or similar) and in either case isn't readily possible to cite either. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^talk 19:18, 20 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

For build numbers, at least for more recent releases, the Apple Developer site's "Release" pages have them, although you'd have to get archived copies from the Wayback Machine for releases other than the current one, e.g. 10.14.2. Guy Harris (talk) 19:30, 20 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

To follow up from the reversion, I don't see much the point of highlighting everything "unsupported" when everything is unsupported and the support status is made clear previously. It's making things red for no reason. Likewise, the build and kernel numbers are still unsourced. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^talk 16:34, 6 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"MacOS Masada" listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect MacOS Masada. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 September 19#MacOS Masada until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 18:28, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Other Applications Section[edit]

Recently, @david fuchs removed the other applications section on this page, with the rationale that it isn't notable nor necessary. Given that similar sections exist on preceding macOS version pages dating back to OS X Mountain Lion (and on macOS Big Sur), I would like to open a discussion on establishing a consensus on removing the sections on the other articles. I personally agree that the section isn't notable, and a list of applications is available directly from Apple (https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/view-built-in-apps-mchl110b00b7/mac) so I think it isn't needed either. Herbfur (Eric, He/Him) (talk) 18:44, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, my thinking is that this isn't something that ever gets talked about—the reviews for Mojave (and similar) focus on what's new or changed, but don't just list installed applications in their entirety. So it's a due weight thing at the end of the day. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^talk 20:06, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I see it as a bunch of minor detail that's really not that relevant. For people who care about every single app that comes with various versions of the OS, there's List of macOS built-in apps. Guy Harris (talk) 03:09, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't even know that list existed, which makes it make even more sense to remove here (and perhaps add a {{seealso}} or similar section link here and the other relevant OS pages?) Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^talk 14:19, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. The intent was presumably to allow people to compare how the list of installed apps evolved over the years, but it's a very poor way to present that evolution, and any notable changes should be covered in prose anyway.

We could add a section to List of macOS built-in apps that lists when certain applications were removed. BTW, a big thing missing from that page is all the games that used to be included (Otto Matic, Big Bang Board, etc.), and bundled third-party apps like (IIRC) Stuffit. DFlhb (talk) 20:29, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]