Talk:Magennis

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Title[edit]

I think the page title should be McGuinness as it is the most common form of the name — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eggilicious (talk • contribs) 22:34, 2 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That is highly debatable especially considering the other Irish septs/clans that have been anglicised as McGuinness who would be more appropriate for an article of that name. The Magennis are specific to their area of County Down (Iveagh), which this article deals with even if many of the more famous of their descendants are known as Guinness or McGuinness. Mabuska ^(talk) 13:19, 23 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It seems that Magennis (in English) is, as a name, more ancient than McGuinness.PatrickGuinness (talk) 22:51, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It would be, however even if disregard that, for this name tied to the specific origin in the article (Magennis' of Iveagh), the Magennis/Maginnis spelling is most accurate to original pronounciation (Mag instead of Mac) and possibly most common. Mabuska ^(talk) 23:41, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Most Irish emigrants to the USA in the 1800s were spelt Maginnis on arrival, so it is more common there than in Ireland.PatrickGuinness (talk) 15:43, 13 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

To be honest not all McGuinness's descend from the Iveagh Maginnis ones. There are several origins for the surname such as Mac Inis rather than Mag Aonghusa etc. and we do need to point this out in this article as partially, by my own fault I admit, it focuses virtually entirely on the Iveagh ones. Mabuska ^(talk) 18:26, 13 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The sales after 1610[edit]

I disagree with the entry that -

"The failure of the native Irish to properly understand the English legal system resulted in them accruing large debts resulting in them having to sell vast swathes of their lands or losing them as collateral when they failed to pay their debts.[4] Despite finally being appointed Lord Iveagh in 1623, Art Roe Magennis also found himself in a dangerous financial position.[4]"

1. They understood very well that they were selling freehold land - and the chief could no longer stop them selling.
2. In particular, Kilwarlin was sold off by a cousin, the second largest land holding within the clan.
3. Perhaps 80,000 out of their 100,000 acres was sold between 1603 and the 1641 rebellion.
4. "finally being appointed Lord Iveagh in 1623" - no, he wanted a viscountcy and had to pay £2,000 for it, having a total wealth of £7,000. The money went to the King's favourite Buckingham, even though the Stuarts had no money.

Had he invested the sale proceeds in wealth creation, rather than a title, they would have been much better off by 1641.PatrickGuinness (talk) 14:44, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Disagree if you wish but the information is reliable sourced. Mabuska ^(talk) 22:10, 14 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]