Talk:Mario Lopez

Graduation Year

The article claims that lopez graduated in 1990, however, he is listed as a state place winner in wrestling in 1991, meaning he couldn't have graduated until '91. See here for results: [1] --Liljimmyt (talk) 03:05, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Date Rape Allegation

Why has the reference to his date rape charge been deleted multiple times? The charge was big news at the time, and even if he denies it, it should be mentioned as part of his history. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Otherland71 (talk • contribs) 18:18, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

The date rape allegation does hold credence. It was picked up by The Associated Press and articles are present online dating back to 1993 when the story was first run. Additionally, though perhaps not credible as a person, Dustin Diamond's new autobiography asserts that Lopez committed the rape, and that the producers of Saved by the Bell paid off his accuser to avoid major press exposure of the scandal. As long as both of these sources are cited, it is wholly encyclopedic and credible to include. CouplandForever (talk) 09:00, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Porno pic

Surely there has to be a more suitable picture of this fella somewhere.--Ezeu 12:36, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

What happened to the picture?

"Porno pic"? Nice vague fuckin' description, assholes. --24.21.149.124 (talk) 09:47, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Domestic Abuse

I heard that one of his female acquaintances filed charges against him for domestic violence. True? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.116.86.175 (talk) 08:33, 4 January 2007 (UTC).

Requested move

The following is a closed discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was Moved. Teke ^(talk) 18:24, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Mario López → Mario Lopez — Official website uses his name without an accent. While other sources (IMDB, TV.com, etc.) include the accent, if his official site doesn't stylize his name that way, that could be considered definitive. Another editor has removed all instances of the accent in the article. Tinlinkin 11:01, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Survey

Add  # '''Support'''  or  # '''Oppose'''  on a new line in the appropriate section followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~~~~. Please remember that this survey is not a vote, and please provide an explanation for your recommendation.

Survey - in support of the move

1. Support using Eurosong's reasoning from the "Oppose" section below. Just because some people are named López with an acute accent "does not give us the right to change someone's proper name" and one would assume his official website gives his proper name. —  AjaxSmack  02:29, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
2. Support. "Lopez" is not just his official domain name. Here are several definitive places where "Lopez" was the listed spelling:
   • his 'bio' on his official site [2]
   • his bio and other references to his name on the official "Dancing With the Stars" website[3]
   • a video of the "Saved By the Bell" opening credits, found on YouTube. (And they are obviously punctuation-conscious, since they made the effort to put the hyphens in "Mark-Paul Gosselaar" and "Tiffani-Amber Thiessen"). [4]

   Many, many Americans with that surname spell it "Lopez", including actress Jennifer Lopez and actor George Lopez. Is anyone questioning those pages? The opposition to this move needs to come up with something more definitive. Vandelay 02:22, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

3. Support as nominator, but if there is reliable evidence (which I haven't seen yet) that, as his personal choice, he writes his own name with an acute accent, and the appearance as "López" is not only implied by his ancestral heritage or pronunciation (because he was born and raised in America), then I would reconsider. Tinlinkin 19:06, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
4. Support This may come as a surprise for those who may have by chance read my opinion on diacritics on the Waldemar Matuška issue...I'll explain...

   Unlike the English language, which doesn't have any recognized institution that regulates its own usage worldwide, the Spanish language has a definite set of rules for proper and improper usage. They are dictated by the Real Academia Española and these rules are recognized by the Spanish-speaking community in twenty-one countries around the world (including the United States where the branch of the Academia is called the "Academia Norteamericana de la Lengua Española"). Therefore, if your name is of Spanish heritage, and you think of yourself as a Hispanic, it doesn't matter if you yourself don't know how on earth to spell your own name, there will be a "correct" and "incorrect" spelling and it doesn't depend on you to decide. I'm assuming, by his looks, that this guy is of Latin heritage but I might be wrong, or if he is indeed of Latin heritage he might be other than Spanish (as I've known of some "Lopez" folk that are descended from French Creole...I don't know how the French regulate their own language or if they even do so).

   In Spanish, the rule for grave words such as the surname "López" (grave words have the accent on the next to last syllable so they're pronounced for example LO-pez and not lo-PEZ), is that they have a diacritic on top of the accented vowel when they end in a letter other than "n", "s" or any of the vowels. If Mario's surname is of Spanish heritage and he considers himself a Latino, then it is his own responsability to honor this heritage and write his name with a diacritic; not doing so just shows he is in ignorance of his cultural inheritance or has purposefully turned his back to it and consequently should not be considered a Latino at all but a regular american. The thing with these entertainers such as himself or Jennifer López is that, first, they normally descend from uneducated Hispanic American folk who emigrated to the United States to escape from poverty and who, being uneducated themselves, didn't know how to spell their own names correctly so they didn't teach their children to do so. Second, JLo and Mario were educated in American schools (as far as I know), where they weren't taught proper Spanish and even if they know how to speak Spanish they aren't aware of many of the grammatical rules.

   Does Mario acknowledges he has Latin American roots? Has he cared to learn Spanish and understand how his name should be written? I think not. So, if he DOES write his surname with a diacritic it should be respected in the articles at Wikipedia, as part of the purpose of an encyclopaedia is intrinsically to value and respect other cultures (that's why we are interested in knowing about them; if we didn't value other cultures then why bother to research and study them?). On the contrary, if he DOES NOT write his own names with a diacritic this should be respected as well in the articles, like in JLo's case where she doesn't write her surname in a Spanish way and where her own family obviously refuses its Latin roots by giving their children american names such as Jennifer and Lynn...I have nothing against that, it's perfectly feasible for someone of Latin (or whatever) heritage to reject their ancestors' culture but in doing so, they have to accept all of the consequences that go with it, the most important of which is to not be recognized as Latinos. So, as I see Mario Lopez isn't hailed as a Latino anywhere in this article but as an American, it means to me he IS an American, not a Latino, and therefore his surname must be written "Lopez" not "López". Rosa 01:11, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

   This is also a two-way street, Rosa. With all your preaching (even though I think you are wrong), maybe you could show that you yourself can learn a little respect for other cultures, and go move the article at our sister Wikipedia from es:Jennifer López, and do a little bit of your teaching of respect for other cultures there? Gene Nygaard 15:02, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

   I have no need of "learning a little respect" since I already have A LOT of respect for foreign cultures Gene (including yours). As you may read at Waldemar Matuška's Talk I said that the Czech Wikipedia's use of the word "Londýn" instead of "London" was a mistake. About Mrs. Lopez at the Spanish Wikipedia, you may see the article was originally created as "Jennifer Lopez" by one of her fans, but some Guido who probably doesn't know about Mrs. Lopez decision renamed the page, as in Spanish there are specific rules for language usage, rules that don't apply in these case to Mrs. Lopez as she acknowledges her birthplace above all. Since the page "Jennifer Lopez" already exists I left a comment about this issue at both talk pages and am going to ask for an admin's assistance to rename the page back to the original.Rosa 19:07, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

   In fact, as you may see at Jennifer Lopez's redirect someone before me already made a comment on the matter that her name is to be spelled without the diacritic.Rosa 19:17, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

1. Support per AjaxSmack and Vandelay. Rosa's reasoning is fallacious; there are deeply Greek-Americans who spell Παπαδημήτριος DeMet. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 18:11, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

   Well, it's not exactly the same. Spelling your name as Παπαδημήτριος in check books, contracts, etc. is troublesome in daily life if you live in the USA, unlike López/Lopez.Rosa 19:33, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

   Yes, it is a matter of convenience; so is choosing whether or not to use "Papademetrios". So, often, is choosing whether or not to use López, which can be just as inconvenient as the Greek alphabet, depending on what anglophones one deals with. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 00:20, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

   I sincerely believe that in the case of Americans who descend from Hispanics, it has more to do with not even caring about their Latin roots than about the inconviniences that may be presented to them in their daily lives by putting a diacritic on top of one of the vowels of their surname. Rosa 01:45, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

   It is clear that you deeply believe this; do you have any verifiable evidence that it is true in this case? (either way; either that ML is deracinated and uses Lopez; or is a true Latino and uses López?) Septentrionalis PMAnderson 02:40, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

   I didn't ask you to show me verifiable evidence that the Greek-Americans who spell Παπαδημήτριος DeMet felt deeply about their roots, although for me this isn't obvious as I hardly know anything about Greek-Americans (other than that wedding movie lol); just like for you the issue of Hispano-Americans who portray themselves as purely Americans may not be obvious, even if it is for me. I just took your word for it because I believe that in principle people will not lie for no reason. I know that Wikipedia has a policy on verifiability, but as it says right there, "it's not set in stone". In fact, no law is ever set in stone as laws aren't important in themselves, but only as mechanisms that promotes society's advancement. That's in principle why I support foreign spelling use at Wikipedia, even if it's contrary to the current naming conventions; because I believe part of society's advancement is recognizing other cultures and their manifestations as equally valuable.(Sorry for turning this into a soapbox, it was just part of the explanation even if it delves into my personal thoughts, I have argumented about the foreign naming conventions issue here)Rosa 20:51, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

2. Support. How how he is best known in English is the primary consideration, but that can be difficult to determine with common names like this. In that case, the spelling in English on an "official" website is as good an indicator as any. BTW, Rosa's reasoning (using the term loosely) that it is our responsibility as Wikipedia editors to tell people they are so damn stupid that they spell their names wrong, and we need to fix it for them and spell it "correctly", is sheer lunacy. I'm not even going to try to figure out how she got from there to her support. Gene Nygaard 05:30, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

   LOL well Gene, you could certainly illustrate us all a bit more on that topic ;)Rosa 06:48, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Survey - in opposition to the move

1. Oppose - Just because his official site does not use the accent, that doesn't mean it's right. Céline Dion's English site doesn't either. Mario's correct name is with the ó. Yes I know this is the English Wikipedia, but that just means that articles are in English. That does not give us the right to change someone's proper name. EuroSong ^talk 19:15, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

   And notice Céline Dion's Wikipedia article is not at Céline Dion. —  AjaxSmack  10:52, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

2. Oppose. As pointed above, official websites are often not accurate. Kimi Räikkönen's official website uses Kimi Raikkonen, despite the fact that in Finnish language A/O and Ä/Ö are separate letters of the alphabet. Correct name should be used and the evidence for "Lopez" is very weak. Prolog 06:00, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

   But then where is the evidence that López (born and raised in America) is correct? What sounds correct may not be. Tinlinkin 21:05, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Discussion

Add any additional comments:

So, how do we know what is the correct spelling? I'd say we need a definitive source, one way or the other, before we change it. Maybe we should just ask him, through his site; that'd settle it. Unless that falls under "original research"? But if he posted an answer on his site, it could be used as a reference I guess. If I remember to, I'll try to ask through his site, but if someone else beats me to it, I won't mind.  :) --Ebyabe 20:46, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

A posted answer on his site should clarify things, and perhaps we'll have to wait for that. Tinlinkin 21:09, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

• Neutral for now. IMDB is not the most accurate of sources and Eurosong makes a compelling point with his Celine Dion example. I would like to see more compelling evidence in either direction over what would be his official name or even if he condone's alternative spellings. 205.157.110.11 02:44, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

The examples of Celine Dion (notice the article is not at Céline Dion) and Kimi Räikkönen are non-native English/Americans who were originally named in French/Finnish. Lopez is a native American and there is no evidence he ever uses Spanish for his name. —  AjaxSmack  10:52, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

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Infidelity

It was widely reported at the time that the reason he and Ali Landry split was because he cheated on her. Can anybody find a link. I just saw this the other day on one of those VH1 specials and it made me think about adding it here. Unfortunately, the edit Nazis don't like that. Billywhack 03:24, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Being that I'm Jewish, I don't exactly appreciate being labeled a Nazi, my friend. But, whatever. The point is that Jimbo himself is pretty hard up about the WP:BLP policy, and for good reason I suppose; who wants a lawsuit? People have been banned from the site on this issue, that's not something I'd want to mess with. Hope you find your citation! Have a great day! —Elipongo (Talk|contribs) 03:36, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Added the info again, including source and link. Have a nice day. And lighten up about the Nazi reference. Billywhack 04:05, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Elipongo, no one gives a shit if you're jewish, it doesn't have anything to do with your editing skills. But, whatever. --98.232.176.109 (talk) 08:41, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Restructuring

The Career section has just a bunch of random facts. Reads like a trivia section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smooth0707 (talk • contribs) 21:33, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

I'll second that, from one editor to another. JohnnyCalifornia (talk) 08:00, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Mexican?

How is he Puerto Rican, if he was born in San Diego and both his parents were born in Mexico? Jus' Askin' —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.81.147.2 (talk) 03:22, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

That must be a vandal's handiwork. Other sources state he is of Mexican descent. Portraitnsepia (talk) 19:03, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

if he was born in america, then he is an american, regardless of where his parents were born. why are we so quick to label people as not being american just because their skin is not white? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.241.143.189 (talk) 23:12, 12 February 2009

In the movie Colors that WAS not Mario Lopez as some seem to believe. That was another actor by the same name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.205.22.196 (talk) 21:19, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

And your source for this assertion is?--Bbb23 (talk) 23:47, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

DWTS

I removed the ending of the paragraph as there was no reference for anything in the whole paragraph about his DWTS performance and the last part of the sentence was inflammatory and accusing DWTS of favoritism and unfairness.

The paragraph was : In the fall of 2006, Lopez signed on as a contestant on the third season of Dancing with the Stars on ABC with professional partner and then-girlfriend Karina Smirnoff who was making her series debut. They finished in second place, losing to the team of Emmitt Smith and Cheryl Burke, despite scoring higher than them on average and despite "breaking all the rules" when he broke the hold on both his 2nd and 3rd week during his Quickstep and Tango.

If his fans want the ending of the sentence to remain, then I will add that the possible reason he lost was that he doesn't have the fan base that Emmitt has as voting from fans is a part of the scoring system. Mylittlezach (talk) 15:55, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Hispanic, Mexican, Latino

He is of Mexican, Latino and Hispanic descent. ... Really? Meaning what? How are different, separated things being Hispanic, Latino or Mexican descent? Once you're from Mexican descent you're Hispanic and Latino. JoeSatana (talk) 07:53, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Height/weight

Height and weight is being added to the infobox repeatedly without a reliable source. I have never seen one provided in the article. If there is none, it should be deleted. --‖ Ebyabe ^talk - State of the Union ‖ 03:20, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

I added info about his modelling and 'citation needed' tags to call attention to where there should be references for this data. --‖ Ebyabe ^talk - Welfare State ‖ 03:33, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

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baptized

The referenced article says he was baptized in March, but further down the article says that in 2015 he was a proud Catholic. I wouldn't be surprised if he was rebaptized in the Jordan, as a renewal, but this is the only article I can find and it's a blog (While at the Jordan River, Lopez was led by a pair of Catholic priests to renew his baptismal promises). --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 02:51, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

@Richardson mcphillips: So, what changes would you like to see made to the article?... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 03:25, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

thanks. If I could find a source, what I think the article would say is that "on March X 2018 he underwent a ceremony which was widely reported as a baptism, where he renewed his infant baptism", or something like that. --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 14:06, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Republican

Why is Mario Lopez's political views as a Republican/conservative edited out of the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:281:c300:1672:9992:3988:93c1:44bc (talk) 07:34, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

Because it's a secret ballot for a reason. We don't report the political affiliation of non-politician WP:BLPs, unless they are particularly active politically. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 12:26, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

Transphobic

So there's currently some edit warring going on with regards to some transphobic comment he recently made. While I honestly doubt that those involved will bother to read the Talk page, it's worth a shot: The proper way to do what you're trying to do is add a "Controversy" or "Criticism" section (see similar articles for examples), state what the kerfuffle is all about, and (this is important) cite your sources.

And hey, what he said sounds pretty awful, so I applaud your efforts, but if you actually want to effect things in the long term, you have to play by rules. Also, you'll still probably get push back and you may be in for a wiki politics fight. Personally, I don't have the spoons and if you wanna participate in cancel culture, I'm not sure Wikipedia is the best forum for it. Karatorian (talk) 05:10, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

Just because Lopez doesn’t think that 3 year old children should chose what sex they are, doesn’t mean Lopez is “Transphobic”.

Your labeling Lopez as much is problematic.

And, no, his views do not warrant a “Controversy” or “Criticism” section.

Paige Matheson (talk) 21:35, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

Because no one has actually cited the quote in question, it is difficult to appraise this – can somebody cite the actual quote? --IJBall (contribs • talk) 23:35, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/mario-lopez-says-it-s-dangerous-parents-support-transgender-kids-n1037276:

"I'm never one to tell anyone how to parent their kids, obviously, and I think if you come from a place of love, you really can't go wrong, but at the same time, my God, if you're 3 years old and you're saying you're feeling a certain way or you think you're a boy or a girl or whatever the case may be, I just think it's dangerous as a parent to make that determination[.] It's sort of alarming, and my gosh, I just think about the repercussions later on[. W]hen you're a kid ... you don't know anything about sexuality yet. You're just a kid."

-- 62.224.62.164 (talk) 22:29, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Based on this, I agree with Paige Matheson that this does not warrant inclusion in the article. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 23:15, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

He appeared in Pay Per view show SummerSlam (2021).

Please mention in the article, that he was appeared in Pay Per view show SummerSlam (2021). Source Rizosome (talk) 13:26, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

That's really more something for the ppv's page. It's not something really important to Lopez's page. I mean, it could go in his filmography, but I don't think we usually list celebrity appearances at sporting evenys.--Khajidha (talk) 19:07, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Smoking crack

Why isn't it mentioned that he was a heavy user of crack cocaine? He was almost fired from his show because he would smoke crack before filming. He was also a heroin addict. Zach Morris found him overdosing in the dressing room with a needle still stuck in his arm. He also fucked Lisa turtle in the mouth. 2600:100E:B07C:A04B:5445:3972:486B:E643 (talk) 23:00, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

@2600:100E:B07C:A04B:5445:3972:486B:E643 is there a reliable source for any of that? AntiDionysius (talk) 23:09, 5 October 2023 (UTC)