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Sources

I question the validity of the sources of this piece. By "referencing" CAITI and Mr. Brent Fullard this article cites a group who are clearly biased against Mr. Carney. I think any references to CAITI and Mr. Fullard should be removed.—Preceding unsigned comment added by U22mjs (talk • contribs) 20:49, 24 November 2007

In the future, new user U22mjs sign your contributions to Wikipedia. DSatYVR (talk) 04:57, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
The article indeed appears to be out-of-balance; that is, biased in favour of reporting on criticism of Carney. The reliance on blogs as sources is also problematic. --Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 20:00, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
Which blog source bothers you Paul Erik? The one from a Federal MP Garth Turner, or the one from the registered Investor advocacy Association CAITI? Neither are anonymous bloggers. Both have established credibility IMO. Here is another citable reference relating to Mark Carney's role as adviser to Finance Minister Jim Flaherty. Harper, Carney, Flaherty income trust mistake: Deloitte which isn't very flattering of Mr. Carney either. All of which go to my point that although Mr.Carney must have some positive attributes, Wiki readers (Canadians especially) also need to know what kind of advice Mr. Carney has given in the past as a measure of what they can expect in the future. DSatYVR (talk) 16:43, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
Please refer to Wikipedia's policy on biographies of living persons. It says, in part: "Self-published books, zines, websites, and blogs should never be used as a source for material about a living person, unless written or published by the subject of the article." --Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 17:40, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
To comply with the Wiki Self-published sources (online and paper) policy I've revised the citations with verifiable third party sources. DSatYVR (talk) 17:05, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Unsourced material

I removed some cites and material. IMHO, alot more should be tagged/removed. Anyways, --Tom 18:10, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Maybe we'll have a stub soon :) --Tom 18:31, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Copied from Biographies of Living People discussion page

  • DSatYVR (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) appears to be intent on overwhelming this article with criticism of Mark Carney, the incoming governor-general of the Bank of Canada. I warned the user about sourcing to blogs (and repeatedly drew his attention to WP:BLP) but he restored his content—with some slightly improved sourcing—still using sources such as this video which is essentially an attack on Carney. I would very much appreciate someone else taking a look at this, since political articles are generally not my area, and since this appears to be a larger issue than just poor citations. Thanks. // Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 17:35, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, looks like material added is too further some agenda. I have tried to copy edit the article but could use serious help. Thanks for the heads up. --Tom 18:23, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Yeah some agenda. Why not look in the mirror boys? You hide behind WP:BLP when the blogs sourced are attached to a legitimate and registered Investor Advocacy Group and linked to their webpage:
And apparently a Federal Canadian MP's website Garth Turner has his blog attached The Turner Report but is still targeted for deletion...
So why the deletion frenzy? Apparently any website containing the word 'blog' is a worthy target. Does this one fit the bill although it is attached the national newspaper? National Post-Diane Francis Apparently so because you deleted it also.
None of these are anonymous blogs posted by faceless writers. But they have one thing in common and that is that they are critical of Mark Carney and I think that is the main reason you do what you do and hide behind this: WP:BLP. Read this posted above. I provide secondary sources to back up the attached blogs and you still delete entirely all references including the secondary verifiable references. All this to say, who really is the problem here? You two or me? DSatYVR (talk) 05:56, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Hello, all. I have no fish to fry in this particular clambake but will take a look at the article. DSatYVR, please Assume Good Faith (WP:AGF) on the part of all the editors. I will look at the blogs you mentioned. Sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 06:06, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Well, I did look at two of the sources which have remained on the page as of this date, and I must say I couldn't find anything in the Diane Francis blog that seemed to directly back up the asserted facts in the article, so perhaps that shouldn't be there as a source. The video should be a "See Also," not a reference, because what has been put into the article is more or less an interpretation of the video, rather than a reporting of what Mr. Carney actually said. An interpretation, by its very nature, is Original Research. The phrase "refused to explain" is, again, an interpretation of what went on. It would be better to say "did not explain," if in fact that statement is true.
In truth, this discussion should be on the Talk Page over there, so I am copying it and pasting it. I'm sure that, all working together, we can get a good article out of this biography. Sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 06:29, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Sources

Thanks for the comments. I do not usually edit articles about politics or economics (and I have no opinion, positive or negative, about the subject of this article) but I would be glad to help out in finding some sources. What do others think of this "fact box" from Reuters, this article from the Financial Post, and this one from the CBC? --Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 13:13, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

I can only go with Be Bold (WP:Bold) Your references seem to be filled with good material, and it would help if some of it were added to the Mark Carney biography. Sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 17:18, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Inserting 2nd paragraph in Dept of Finance section - comments?

Peter Barker-Homek, Chief Executive of Abu Dhabi National Energy Co. (TAQA) says ""We think that because of the changes in the trust structures ... there will be a consolidation in that area," he told reporters. "Taqa will be well-positioned ... to help with that consolidation."[1] Barker-Homek zeroed in on Canada for several reasons: The attack on income trusts created buying opportunities and Canada is a backdoor entry to U.S. business. [2] Abu Dhabi National Energy Co. (TAQA) subsequently acquired PrimeWest Energy Trust in $5-billion deal. [3] — Preceding unsigned comment added by DSatYVR (talk • contribs) 15:50, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Abu Dhabi's Taqa looks to boost Canada acquisitions
  2. ^ Taqa increases stakes in oil play
  3. ^ Abu Dhabi picks up PrimeWest in $5-billion deal

References

I would like to insert the above section as the 2nd paragraph in the Dept of finance section to show cause and effect of the policies promoted by Mark Carney Comments welcome DSatYVR (talk) 15:50, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Additional material - Bank of Canada section

The Primewest Energy Trust acquisition by TAQA was the focus of questions asked by Thomas Mulcair at the December 5 hearings. Mulcair asked Carney whether the foreign company would pay any Canadian taxes after acquiring Primewest.

I'll insert the above into the article if no objections. comments welcome DSatYVR (talk) 16:04, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Current Finance committee motion

Also there is currently a motion to be voted on Jan/2008 by the Federal Finance committee I'll hold back on for now relating to Mark Carney and Jim Flaherty and their actions at the Dept of finance:

"That this committee as soon as possible launch an inquiry into the unproven allegation by the Finance Minister that income trusts result in a loss of tax revenue to Ottawa, in light of reports that 70% of all recent trust purchasers are tax-exempt, while individual Canadian investors lost tens of billions of dollars, and therefore pay less tax, as a result of the government trust decision." DSatYVR (talk) 16:07, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Diane Francis as a reference

There is material relevant to this article from Diane Francis I wish to insert.

Diane Francis as a reference

Please feel free to add your comments on the WP:BLP page linked above. DSatYVR (talk) 16:14, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Proposed expansion of article

Hello all,

I've only recently become a Wikipedia editor, or a properly registered one in any case.

I find this article to be pretty thin given the prominence of Carney on the Canadian economic scene (and the global scene too, in some respects.) I also have some concerns about the seeming over-emphasis on the income trusts issue, but perhaps I'll leave that one for now.

Anyway, I plan to start revising and expanding the article. Please be constructive if I mess up occasionally. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shaun courtice (talk • contribs) 21:50, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Harder than I thought

Hm, writing a really good article for Wikipedia is quite challenging. As my edit history will show, I keep tweaking and fiddling but I'm still not entirely satisfied. Hard to find that magic "NPOV" balance. Also, references get quite complex. Anyway, I'll keep at it. Shaun courtice (talk) 00:02, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Important Question

When do his terms expire as Chairman of the Financial Stability Board and Governor of the Bank of Canada? I ask because with all the talk of him jumping into politics, he might just wait until he's done with both of those jobs, and then start out as just an MP (and maybe Finance Minister, if things turn out well) rather then running in a leadership race right away. Of course that would depend on the timing of his current 2 jobs, and the next election. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.103.152.51 (talk) 18:52, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

His term as Governor runs out by 2015 which is coincidentally the estimated year of the next federal election. Not sure when his Financial Stability Board position runs out, "Super Mario" only lasted two years in the position and I have never seen a length of term, though he would likely be out of the position once his term as governor expires as well. Krazytea(talk) 20:09, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Not incumbent at BoE

The Business Positions table describes Carney as being incumbent at the BoE. He will be, but isn’t yet. (I’m not sure that I can edit a table, so want to leave it to those who can.) JDAWiseman (talk) 11:18, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Not sure what table you're talking about; he is described as 'designate' in the infobox, which is accurate. CharlieEchoTango (contact) 11:46, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Query about how this article is introduced

I have a query about the first sentence of this article. Normally, articles on people begin by stating the nationality of the person, and stating that the person is (or was in the case of historical subjects) a such-and-such nationality member of profession x. So, shouldn't this article begin by stating that he is Canadian? The news in my country (the United Kingdom) has emphasised this. It could begin with a setence saying "Mark Carney is a Canadian.. " and then add how ever one best describes his profession. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 16:09, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Good idea! Done. Wildfowl (talk) 19:07, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Order in the infobox

As long as his current job is as Governor of the Bank of Canada, his designate position as Governor of the B of E does not belong at the top of the infobox. --Rhombus (talk) 21:03, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Goldman Sachs / Bilderberger wing nut stuff

Is it necessary for Mr Carnet Wiki page be polluted with Wing Nut / Tin Foil Hat / Conspiracy Theory attendance at the (secret) Bilderberg Group meeting in Chantilly, Virginia just a few months before his appointment. It is bad enough to have the Goldman Sachs / Government revolving door label, considering Goldman Sachs super-national involvement in recent and past global financial malfeasance (Grease, Ireland etc.) . If reporting of Bilderberg attendance is not reported in the main stream media, why is it be included on the Wiki page? Reference to Bilderberg or any other Rockefeller / Rothschild institution other than the private "nationalised" Bank of England. Give the man a break! He was obviously one of those people who did see the looming collapse of our financial system, as repeatedly reported by the BBC (his role in keeping Canada away from being bankrupted by all these private banking institutions. If Wikipedia is to be a respected information source it should follow "Chatham House Rules" privacy like all other media outlets; I vote to remove the Bilderberg wing nut fallacy, whether it factual OR NOT! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.121.186.28 (talk) 11:25, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

It is difficult to understand what you are trying to say: perhaps you would like to clarify it. However, as far as I can make out, you are suggesting that we censor the article to mention of Carney's attendance at a meeting because he wants it to be kept secret. If that is not what you mean then you really do need to clarify your remarks. If that is what you mean, then the answer is that Wikipedia is not censored. Wikipedia does not follow "Chatham House Rules", and while I am not sure exactly what you mean by "media outlets", Wikipedia is not a newspaper, and does not work like one. JamesBWatson (talk) 11:36, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi JamesB, according to all the main stream media, the annual Bilderberg Group does not even warrant a mention whether TV, Radio or printed media. Naming Bilderberg on Wikipedia clearly breaks a much respected media tradition dating back over 50 years (since 1953). Yes, the "Chatham House Rule" does not stop the reporting on this once yearly event, it chooses to totally ignore it (as irrelevant - I guess). Surely if Wikipedia wants to be considered a serious source of reference it should consider respecting this media black-out of the Bilderberg Group and it's attendees over the years. I am proposing it's removal on those grounds. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.121.186.28 (talk) 14:04, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Are you saying that censorship is "a much respected media tradition"? Biscuittin (talk) 09:09, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Irish Citizen

According to today's Irish Times Carney has been an Irish citizen for about 25 years. The names of his siblings in this article also indicate a strong Irish background, although no mention is made of it in this wikipedia article (IT Article: http://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/ireland/cantillon-mark-carney-plays-the-irish-card-1.1627712) 79.97.64.240 (talk) 13:58, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

Run everybody, it's the O'Wikipedia Police! 86.2.64.179 (talk) 23:10, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
If anything he's British-Canadian or Canadian-British as he agreed to take up British citizenship when he became Governor.--Cantab12 (talk) 17:35, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

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Notability and advertising

Dear 64.114.128.103, I have reverted the notability and advertising templates you inserted. My reasons are as follows.

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  • I scanned quickly through the article looking for "advertising" and found none. Perhaps you could state which part of the article seems like advertising prose to you.

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Dubious

The following link is used to claim that Mark Carney is a British citizen - Full transcript: Mark Carney talks to Jon Snow - Channel 4 News . However, the actual text about his citizenship states:

You’re also a British subject – British citizenship can’t be far away?

I will – to take up my right to British citizenship there’s a residency requirement (JS so you are interested in doing it?) I made that commitment to the prime minister. The residency requirement actually extends to about the end of my term as it turns out despite the fact that I have been married to my British wife for 18 years.

This indicates that he is not a British citizen (British Subject status is not the same as British citizenship and it is sometimes (incorrectly) used as a synonym for a [[Commonwealth citizen]), and won't be elgible until about the end of his term, which is approximately in 2018. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arun (talk • contribs) 05:55, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

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