Talk:Mark W. Rocha

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Autobiography[edit]

While the edit history will show this as written by User:Pccweboffice, it was just a cut-and-paste of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Mark W. Rocha, written by User:Mark W. Rocha --Nat Gertler (talk) 04:43, 22 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sourcing problems[edit]

Much of the article relies on the Hispanic Outlook interview, but that interview is largely made up of quoting Roche saying these things, rather than the article making the assertion itself. We can certainly assume that Outlook was accurately quoting the subject, but there is less room to assume that the subject was being accurate, particularly when praising himself. The Blooomsburg Businessweek Executive Profile looks like it may simply be regurgitation of unvetted information from the subject himself or the school's PR department; notice how the only other people they list are the PR guy and one board member, not even listing the whole board. In fact, it looks like the only other info they have on PCC is that it is an educational institution with a web address. --Nat Gertler (talk) 16:36, 22 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

An editor has just tried to remove the "no confidence" material, saying that the source was the institution; the primary source on that section is the Pasadena Star News, which is not affiliated with PCC. The PCC Courier, while a publication by the students at PCC, states itself as independent from the college. --Nat Gertler (talk) 18:05, 22 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Other sourcing usable on the "no confidence" section: Culver City Crossroads, Pasadena Weekly, Daily Bulletin, Pasadena Now. --Nat Gertler (talk) 18:11, 22 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Conflicts of interest[edit]

I would like to remind the editors here of Wikipedia's guidelines on conflicts of interest. If you have some direct involvement with Rocha or PCC, please follow those guides on what editing is appropriate and what declarations of your involvement are called for. --Nat Gertler (talk) 18:52, 22 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Anyone seeking to understand the editing history of this article may wish to check Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Mark_W._Rocha/Archive. --Nat Gertler (talk) 17:00, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The kind of nonsense that needs to be scraped from this article[edit]

I'm about to delete "USC Rossier School of Education Magazine judged Pasadena City College in the top 10 community colleges in California and the top 100 in the United States for degrees awarded and transfers." This is cited to Rossier Futures Magazine (PDF) -- checking it out, it turns out to be an article written by Rocha which makes this claim. In a publication that lists Rocha on its Board of Councilors. In an issue that lists him on its donor list. This is about as far from a third-party source as one can imagine. --Nat Gertler (talk) 03:51, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I've done a serious round of scraping on this, removing all Rossier-sourced information, information that was sourced to the PCC website on pages that did not contain said information, and (for reasons described above) information sourced to quotes from Hispanic Outlook. --Nat Gertler (talk) 17:06, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I've been watching and think you've done a very good job. Do you think the two banners are still needed on the page now? --Stfg (talk) 18:01, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I don't, but I wanted someone else's eyes on the page before deleting them. Yours will do. --Nat Gertler (talk) 18:09, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that it is much improved. Cheers for tidying it up. SmartSE (talk) 18:56, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Don't move the article[edit]

There has already been one attempt to move this article to simply Mark Rocha. However, under our article naming guideline, the name of the article really should include the middle initial, as that is how his name is most commonly presented in relevant sources. (The Google counts also quickly show that his name with the middle initial is in far more common use than without it.) --Nat Gertler (talk) 16:00, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Conflict of Interest[edit]

The editor JBED99 (talk · contribs) who has recently been deleting a lot of sourced information from this page also claims to have been the photographer of this image, which is the photo that the college is using as a "courtesy photo". That suggests a strong connection to Rocha and his employer. This editor's changes are very much skewing the tone of the article, making the contributions problematic. --Nat Gertler (talk) 20:50, 27 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Undoing the recent edits[edit]

I am undoing most of the recent edits (most of which I and another editor have both undone before; the new editing account that placed these edits has not yet learned to interact rather than just reinserting, but I've posted some information on his user talk page that should encourage it.) The edits that I'm undoing:

  • deleted his PCC position from the introduction, despite that being the position that has brought him the most notability
  • Added the unsourced and promo-y claim that "Rocha has been a long-time champion for increasing student access and enrollment, especially among underserved students"
  • Added a claim about one of the colleges he worked for being recognized as a "great college to work for" during his time there, without any source that associated this recognition with Rocha, making its relevance not clear.
  • Added a claim about PCC getting a Student Success Award, again without any given association with Rocha.
  • Removed some of the sourced detail on the problems Rocha faced at PCC and all the information with the problems with his payoff package.
  • Added an unsourced claim about the rate of CCSF students earning degrees.

As I'm removing the material that appears conflicted, I am also removing the Conflict of Interest tag from the page. --Nat Gertler (talk) 01:00, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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