Talk:Mark Wahlberg/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

Semi-protected edit request on 19 June 2020

Change "In the 2010s, he landed successful comedy roles with The Other Guys (2010), Ted (2012), its 2015 sequel, Daddy's Home (2015), and its 2017 sequel." To "In the 2010s, he landed successful comedy roles with The Other Guys (2010), Ted (2012), Daddy's Home (2015), and its 2017 sequel." 209.121.229.218 (talk) 05:02, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Fine the way it is. Zaathras (talk) 16:16, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Agreed EliteArcher88 (talk) 17:35, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

"Felon" should be added to the opening list.

Several other celebrities convicted of felonies have "felon" in the list in the very first sentence of their wikipedia entry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scottmacs (talk • contribs) 12:53, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 May 2021

Change "Legal Issues" to "Hate Crimes" Hgxnorton (talk) 20:30, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: per the replies to previous requests above and, in particular, the RFC at the top of this page. Favonian (talk) 20:34, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 June 2021

“Legal Troubles” or whatever the fuck that section is called is dumb. Make it say “history of racially-charged assaults” or something more accurate to the actual events 2603:7081:7807:4334:A5F6:3AB3:BA59:C94E (talk) 14:23, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: See the discussion at the top of this talk page. Favonian (talk) 14:44, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 June 2021

Change 'Legal Issues' to 'Hate Crimes'. 47.155.220.179 (talk) 10:16, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

No. Zaathras (talk) 13:00, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Change Legal Issues back to Hate Crimes

As far as I can remember, that particular section was called Hate Crimes and then there was some social media attention that got it changed to Legal Issues. I disagree with the discussion above justifying the change.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Bluedoor17 (talk • contribs)

Noted. Wikipedia operates on consensus, and "Legal issues" is the current consensus for the heading title. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 02:25, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Create a Separate Section for Legal Issues.

Many editors seem to be constantly debating weather the "Legal Issues" under the Early Life section should be changed back to "Hate Crimes". I think the best thing to do at this point is to create a separate section for his Legal Issues, and the top of the section should have a heading of "Hate Crimes". I believe this is reasonable as one of his offenses was not an actual hate crime, although most of them were. In the long run this should put an end to the constant editing of this page. Also, as others have said, I believe Wahlberg could possibly have his own Wikipedia account and could be behind the constant edits. If this continues, weather its him or other people, I suggest we add stronger protection to the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jacksonpuckett1 (talk • contribs)

There's aren't really "many editors", there are occasional drive-bys from IP users and single-purpose accounts to deal with. It is fine the way it currently is. Zaathras (talk) 00:57, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 December 2021

His years active info needs to be cleaned up, because having two years active info of both his acting and rapping just clutters up the infobox even more. Therefore there should be just one, it should currently just say "1984–present", because it will help make things easier. 2600:1000:B04C:469D:9889:C1EF:95C:D096 (talk) 04:43, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. I don't think it's excessive clutter, and the infobox isn't really over the top to the extent where it needs to be decluttered. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:09, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Legal Issues in Top

While factually correct, the edit from HAL333 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1035982036) seems unproductive. Wahlberg is not widely known for being a criminal, but rather a rapper, model, and actor. The notability of Wahlberg is entirely in his entertainment career, not criminal history (which is already mentioned in its own section). Glenohumeral13 (talk) 17:05, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

(amended) WP:LEDE specifically mentions including prominent controversies; given the amount of content on that, it's arguably "prominent." It's debatable though, but I'd want to see a broader consensus here for removing it. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 17:35, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

I agree that it seems to be awfully prominent placement for something that is, at least at the moment, significantly less noteworthy. If the incidents began to get as much attention as his career, the Wikipedia page would then need to be adjusted accordingly, but for now, he is much more noted for the latter. Jmaranvi (talk) 20:36, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

I agree that it doesn't belong in the lede as the third sentence, and have removed it. It's already covered elsewhere in the article (perhaps excessively so, per WP:WEIGHT). While the current "legal issues" seems to have a bit of a weight/undue issue, on second thought since it does have it's own section, it probably should be mentioned in the lede. It's a tough call, because there was a fair amount of reporting on it especially after he applied for the pardon.OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 23:49, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 January 2022

Change "legal issues" to "hate crimes" Drftyeol (talk) 00:45, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Please read the large discussion (and consensus) above. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 00:48, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Grammar Error

This needs correction: "One individual attacked by Wahlberg when they were a child opposed the pardon..."

Should read: "One individual attacked by Wahlberg when he was a child opposed the pardon..."

One individual can't be referred to by "they" and would not be used with the verb "were," unless this is a situation where the victim has a personal preference for the pronoun "they" in association with gender identity. It is not evident that is the case here. I would still think "was" would be the appropriate verb for a single individual, but I don't know if standardized rules have been agreed upon with regard to the relatively new phenomenon of choosing your pronouns. If the original sentence is correct due to pronoun preference, I would suggest perhaps a parenthetical explanation to clear up the confusion. Thank you. 66.91.36.8 (talk) 00:29, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

 Done (CC) Tbhotch^™ 00:47, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Where to put "Legal issues"

@Myasuda: You want to put Wahlberg's legal issues in the "Early life and family" section. I am opposed to this and I think it should go in the Personal life section. Another example of a Wikipedia page that put a celebrity's pre-fame criminal past in the Personal life section is the page for Tim Allen. Due to the span of time these incidents affected Wahlberg's life through significant events, from early life to post-fame adulthood, I think it should go in the Personal life section. Furthermore, of the 3 documented racial assaults, the third occurred in 1992 which in well after he first became famous.

I was also thinking that perhaps the "Legal issues" subsection should be renamed "Racial assault incidents". What do you think? This was an earlier discussion I missed, never mind. Holidayruin (talk) 01:57, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

You say "I want to put Wahlberg's legal issues in the "Early life and family section." More accurate is to say I want to keep it where it's been for most of the article's existence. Wahlberg's criminal acts are part of his early chronology, so it fits naturally near the start of his biography. We can relabel "Early life and family" to something that you feel is more appropriate, or (perhaps better) outdent the "Legal issues" section to the same level as "Early life and family." Moving that content to the "Personal life" section strikes me as highly unnatural. I am interested to hear what other editors think about this.—Myasuda (talk) 03:03, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

If there are no additional comments on this update within a week, I plan on restoring the content to its original position ... though perhaps keeping the "Legal issues" section outside "Early life and family" as I suggested above. Myasuda (talk) 02:08, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

Myasuda, making "Legal issues" a section onto itself sounds good to me. That is a natural and agreeable solution. Holidayruin (talk) 18:29, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your input. I agree that keeping this as a separate section from "Early life and family" is a logical isolation. And keeping this material earlier in the article also helps maintain the antecedent for the reference to a felony conviction in the "Film" subsection. So I think this works out well.—Myasuda (talk) 01:50, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

Executive Producer

The article mentions Wahlberg's role as ep for 5 HBO series. It was actually 6: he also executive produced for "In Treatment", a HBO series about a psychotherapist. 118.102.125.138 (talk) 03:57, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Reference? WP:CITE TylerBurden (talk) 05:06, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

"Municipal Pictures" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Municipal Pictures and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 January 17 § Municipal Pictures until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 13:13, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 March 2023

Change "Walhberg" to "Wahlberg". It is the first word of the last paragraph of the "Film" section under "Career". AndrewBrackin2006 (talk) 00:35, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

 Done GiovanniSidwell (talk) 00:45, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 April 2023

Change section header from "Legal issues" to "Legal issues and racial controversies"

Commentary (not an edit): I understand Wikipedia should be neutral which is why I tried to use neutral language in the header, but for reference there is a page called "Racial views of Donald Trump" so there is precedent on Wikipedia for identifying controversies as being explicitly racial in their nature. Henrystephen75 (talk) 01:23, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. The person who loves reading (talk) 01:25, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Consensus has already been established; see the discussion above. This should not be changed without another different consensus. The person who loves reading (talk) 01:25, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Placement of section "Legal issues"

The way it currently is makes it seem like hes mainly known as a criminal. Section should be put under "Personal life" like in most other biographies. See WP:UNDUE --FMSky (talk) 06:22, 27 July 2023 (UTC) @Myasuda: tagging you since you were the one who reverted it --FMSky (talk) 15:05, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

Legal issues really belongs under the Early life and family section since most of these events took place at that time. It's an important part of his early biography that and so should make an appearance in any summary of his early life. And, as noted earlier, keeping this material closer to the start of the article establishes the antecedent for the reference to a felony conviction in the Film subsection that would otherwise be confusing. An alternative option would be to insert a less detailed summary of his commission of multiple assaults under Early life and family along with a hatnote that points to the full Legal issues section.—Myasuda (talk) 15:38, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

Problematic lead

The lead reads like a puff piece and doesn't mention any legal issues. The lead should reflect the content of the article. I'm not sure what to edit where exactly, but it needs fixing.----Pontificalibus 09:48, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

I added something, in the absence of other input, but it needs work.----Pontificalibus 14:35, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 September 2023

Change “Legal Troubles” to “Hate Crimes” as it is a more accurate description of his legal issues 47.201.85.171 (talk) 14:41, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. Current consensus is to title the section "Legal issues". ––FormalDude (talk) 14:51, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Introduction sentence for Legal issues section

I added a summarizing sentence to the start of the Legal issues section, but was reverted by FMSky who said "thats obvious from the section".

I think including the sentence makes the article more true to WP:LEDEFOLLOWSBODY and avoids potential WP:SYNTH. The lede says Wahlberg was involved in a number of violent and racially motivated attacks, and while this is rather obvious for anyone who reads the Legal issues section, it is not explicitly stated nor verified by an individual source in the body. My addition ensures that the statement from the lede is also included in the body and verified by a reliable source. ––FormalDude (talk) 21:17, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 September 2023

severed to served in legal issues first paragraph Maerin9 (talk) 01:52, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

 Done Lightoil (talk) 02:15, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 September 2023

Wahlberg is notoriously celebrated for the homo-erotic male-on-male scenes of which he elegantly performed in in his rise to fame. Furthermore, this filmography is ubiquitous in the state of Ohio in which he was actually born and raised in until his criminal past Liam.Savage (talk) 12:05, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

no --FMSky (talk) 12:06, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 January 2024

Mark Wahlberg was never part of NKOTB. His brother Donnie was the only Wahlberg in the group. Mark had his own group later on down the road. 2603:9002:200:C6A9:2C6B:ECFF:FE51:B0BF (talk) 11:45, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Liu1126 (talk) 12:53, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Opening

Why does this opening begin with personal issues as a prelude to several paragraphs of accomplishments. Seems sloppy, if not motivated by bias. 2600:1700:76F1:E8A0:FB41:5B44:4BC2:3973 (talk) 03:52, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Anybody got a comment on this? Page is locked or else I would remove it. I can't find a comparable article with this sort of treatment. As well, he's objectively a businessman, owning car dealerships, a fast food chain, a mobile app, and a clothing brand among other things. Not sure how that's something which needs consensus when it's plainly evident. I believe this article has been dominated by a few motivated editors with their own agenda in mind. 2600:1700:76F1:E8A0:85BF:F09:4239:7929 (talk) 19:53, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

I'm not quite sure what you're talking about. Can you specify which lines or sections you believe are problematic? Liu1126 (talk) 12:43, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

The very first line in the summary, "As a youth, Wahlberg was involved in a number of violent and racially motivated attacks." This is a relatively recent addition and I'm questioning its validity preceding paragraphs worth of actually notable things. I can't find another celebrity page with this sort of treatment, so I'm suggesting that it's motivated by someone who dislikes him. Does that make sense? It sticks out like a sore thumb. 2600:1700:76F1:E8A0:2673:67C9:E989:8FE6 (talk) 19:40, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Yes, the single sentence does seem quite incongruent with the remainder of the paragraph, but that's just an issue of writing style. Per MOS:INTRO and MOS:LEADREL, the lead should reflect the relative emphasis given to material in the main body (which in turn should reflect the relative weights in reliable sources). Since there is a fairly long and detailed section on his legal issues, a brief mention of this material is probably needed in the lead.

Anyone have thoughts on how to reword the lead to make it flow better? Liu1126 (talk) 23:24, 16 January 2024 (UTC)